Our friend and faithful reader Alicia has said in comments in recent days that she strongly objects to pro-lifers calling the late Dr. Tiller "evil," on the grounds that to do that makes it easier for those inclined toward violence to take the fateful (and fatal) step. I get that, but I don't see how it is possible to describe the work that Tiller and LeRoy Carhart, who performs late-term abortions, as anything but evil. Below is an excerpt from the transcript of a July 17, 1997, preliminary injunction hearing in US District Court, in Nebraska, in the 1997 Stenberg v. Carhart case, re: late-term abortions:
Are there times when you don't remove the fetus intact? Carhart: Yes, sir.Can you tell me about that -- when that occurs?
Carhart: That occurs when the tissue fragments, or frequently when you rupture the membranes. An arm will spontaneously prolapse through the os... we talk about the forehead or the skull being first. We talked about the feet being first, but I think in probably the great majority of terminations, it's what they would call a transverse lie; so really you're looking at a side profile of a curved fetus. When the patient's cervix is already starting to contract, and they are starting to miscarry, when you rupture the waters, usually something prolapses through the uterine, through the cervical os, not always, but very often an extremity will.
What do you do then?
Carhart: My normal course would be to dismember that extremity and then go back and try to take the fetus out either foot or skull first, whatever end I can get to first.
How do you go about dismembering that extremity?
Carhart: Just traction and rotation, grasping the portion that you can get ahold of which would be usually somewhere up the shaft of the exposed portion of the fetus, pulling down on it through the os, using the internal os as your countertraction and rotating to dismember the shoulder or the hip or whatever it would be. Sometimes you will get one leg and you can't get the other leg out.
In that situation... are you.. when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the fetus still alive?
Carhart: Yes.
Do you consider an arm, for example, to be a substantial portion of the fetus?
Carhart: In the way I read it, I think if I lost my arm, that would be a substantial loss to me. I think I would have to interpret it that way.
And then what happens next after you remove the arm? You then try to remove the rest of the fetus?
Carhart: Then I would go back and attempt to either bring the feet down or bring the skull down, or even sometimes you bring the other arm down and remove that also and then get the feet down.
At what point is the fetus ... does the fetus die during that process?Carhart: I don't really know. I know that the fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see the fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound.
LeRoy Carhart is a butcher, and an evil man. That does not justify violence against him. But we cannot and must not shy away from describing exactly what he does, and calling it what it is. If what is revealed here in this court exchange is not evil, then what is it? Perhaps the distinctions to be made is calling his actions evil, but refraining from judging his person. I think this is probably the Christian response; as I understand it, "do not judge" doesn't mean refraining from making moral distinctions, which would make life impossible, but withholding judgment about someone's soul, because only God can fully know the heart of each person, and to assess that person's culpability. But that is a very fine distinction to make when one is dealing with the kind of phenomena likely to be described as "evil" by persons. Alicia is right that it's easy to go from calling something or someone "evil" to justifying radical, even violent, action to deal with that evil. The injunction against consequentialism ("The ends justify the means") is absolutely critical here.
Thought experiment: Would you resist from calling slavery or segregation "evil" because it might lead a radical to commit violence against slaveowners or segregationists?

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Thank you for posting this very insightful article.
I fully agree with you: "....we cannot and must not shy away from describing exactly what he (Carhart) does, and calling it what it is. If what is revealed here in this court exchange is not evil, then what is it?"
And true, two wrongs to do not make a right.... so even though Carhart and Tiller are evil it "does not justify violence against him/them." But we must not and cannot shy away from the truth and refuse to call abortion and what these abortionist do as evil (what it truly is) because it might possibly lead a radical to commit violence. We have to continue to stand for truth and state the truth.
We are told not to judge, but even a "A Tree Is Known by Its Fruit" (Matt 7:15-20 below) - Carhart is also known by his fruits - he is one that mercilessly kills & seeks to kill more viable babies - and I agree with you - if that isn't evil.... then what is????
Matt 7:15-20 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
It amazes me that if someone shoots a pregnant woman in the abdomen and kills both the woman and her unborn child, that individual who did the killing is charged with not just the death of the woman, but the death of her unborn child as well.
If the killer in the above situation can be charged and held accountable for the death of the unborn child, why is it that these so called doctors are able to get away with the death of the unborn child without any criminal charges placed against them?
The same holds true for the woman who asked for and has the killing of her unborn child done. Such a woman should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, just as anyone else would be if they went out and hired someone to kill to someone.
Please, would you send me a link to this transcript? I would like to post it on my Facebook wall, and I'm having difficulties finding it.
Thank you very much!
If anti-choice activists didn't go out of their way to ban "partial birth abortion," no "butchering" would happen. As it is, the safest and least disturbing (for lack of a better word) procedure has been made illegal at the federal level. The Supreme Court said this was fine because other procedures, such as the one described, are available. And as it is going, anti-choice activists are going to turn women into so-called "butchers" because either all the doctors will be driven away or killed.
Dr. Carhart isn't a butcher; the laws that make it impossible for him to provide the safest, best service to women are butchers.
I detest the idea that our government allows the killing of babies which can survive outside the womb. It is the most ugly and sick thing to imagine this is allowed. And, I fear God will punish us & our country for allowing the murder of unborn "live" babies.
May I suggest every one try this?
"Take the Awareness test"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxgWHsfk6Zg
Don't read further till you actually take the test.
Why is this video important? FOCUS ON THIS: Here's my point - We are driven my many distractions. Certainly this issue is painful to admit it happens daily in America. I detest it. HOWEVER, Time sensitive matters threaten the survival of our nation & society. These other issues deserve our immediate attention.
Please take the time to read about: 6 uncontested issues putting “The United States of America” on an UNsusustainable path.
Friends believe me our Liberty is "on fire" and we better put it out.
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