From one of his love letters to his Argentinian mistress: "One, tomorrow leave at 5 a.m. for New York and meetings. Will think about you on its streets and wish I was going to be there later in the month...
While I agree with your assessment that Sanford is not worthy of his wife or his boys, I must add that I always found that a woman without tan lines was far more enticing.
I wonder whether he's singing "Don't cry for me Argentina."
Quel rustre!
Maeb
June 24, 2009 8:58 PM
O Lord. The "magnificent parts" bit is winceworthy. So is his itinerary. The guy who jots off to Aspen for a weekend spent all that energy trying to slash education funding to his state?
Mark in Houston
June 24, 2009 9:12 PM
I wonder what the "two magnificent parts of yourself" were that he was referring to. It's hard to hold your eyes without tripping and falling down, unless one is standing perfectly still. This is all very confusing.
Thomas R
June 24, 2009 9:20 PM
I've heard worse. Prince Charles was really cringeworthy as I recall. It's interesting to see a politician who, even with his mistress, is like "let's not get into sexual details in writing." Now that's conservative! "I'll cheat on my wife with you, but let's only talk about sophistication and grace not the sex."
Observer
June 24, 2009 9:21 PM
I assume she has money, since she plans to be in New York "later in the month." I assume (without knowing) that she is not the governor of a province in Argentina or equivalent.
So, why is he risking everything to fly to Argentina? Why didn't she fly north instead if they were so hot to see each other? And if, as he now claims, he intended to "break it off," well, as we who have been around the block a few times can attest, breaking up may be "hard to do," but it can certainly be done on the telephone. Why run this crazy risk? Something isn't adding up.
Donna
June 24, 2009 9:28 PM
Pithy stuff.
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs. It makes me wonder exactly what is pressuring these men to do things like this? Midlife crises or something far worse? Is it a mental or psychological problem due to the pressure of their lives?
I won't comment on whether he's worthy of his wife and boys. That will ultimately IMHO be determined by his family and by his sincerity and how he heals himself from this disaster. Having gone through something similar (my ex wasn't/isn't famous but did the whole midlife affair with a far-out situation and deceit to not only me but everyone of his friends and family and employers), I am seeing so many parallels in men who are becoming of a certain age and really struggling. I think these affairs are often a sign of lashing out against some struggling they are involved in...most likely a spiritual or psychological struggle.
Lord Karth
June 24, 2009 9:29 PM
If Governor Sanford had any honor whatsoever, he would resign. Immediately, and without further fuss or ado.
Officials at that level should be exemplars of proper conduct, not exhibits of moral collapse.
Not that I expect this to happen, but one can hope.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Maeb
June 24, 2009 9:29 PM
Observer: Why run this crazy risk? Something isn't adding up.
Yeah, my guess is that he ran to her arms for comfort after his legislative defeat. And that today is the first she's heard about "breaking it off."
Geez, I'm ever so glad I didn't waste my capacity for tawdry intrigue on that Jon & Cate family...
jaybird
June 24, 2009 9:42 PM
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs. It makes me wonder exactly what is pressuring these men to do things like this? Midlife crises or something far worse? Is it a mental or psychological problem due to the pressure of their lives?
Newsflash: Powerful men have been having sex with as many women as they can for thousands of years. It will go on for thousands more. I think it even comes up a few times in the Bible. It might not be pleasant, or moral, or right, but it's reality.
"A man is only as faithful as his options" - Chris Rock.
John E. - Agn Stoic
June 24, 2009 9:44 PM
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs.
It has always been all too common, it is just that we are more likely to find out about it in the media these days.
Question for the room - whose betrayal of vows was worse - Governor Sanford's or Father Cutie's?
MJ
June 24, 2009 9:49 PM
Yes, that was my first clue as to something not right -- you can "break it off" with a phone call. Not five days of tears.
Add him to the list of jerks. Good for his wife to not trot out there with him in front of the cameras, although just once I'd love to see one of these women come out screaming at the husband during the obligatory press conference. I'd vote for that woman for president any day.
Thomas R
June 24, 2009 9:52 PM
I agree a bit there. Men drawn to power are not always the most moral men. Although maybe they're not odd.
I think studies indicate up to 37% of men cheat, or have cheated, on their wives. Presumably not all these men are worthless people unworthy of their children. Or that they must atone for their sins publicly to the satisfaction of bloggers. I'm not really defending Sanford, but I don't like the condemnatory vulture stance journalists often take on issues.
Michele
June 24, 2009 9:55 PM
Actually, yes he has 4 boys as JerryS outlines...and which I think are 4 excellent reasons to re-think succombing to temptation. Look, I think most of these politicians (and several other married people in general) have some kind of temptation thrown at them sometime in their lives, but it's a lesson to all here to consider all that one is risking if acting upon those temptations.
After all, where did he think all this would lead? Leaving his wife and kids...for "Miss" Argentina? Not so much, m'dear. She may be "hot", but she definitely wasn't worth all the hurt caused to the boys and the wife he promised to love and cherish, nor the embarrassment of having all of us read the sexy letters to his mistress. I guarantee you Sanford now knows this, and wishes he'd never "gone there".
Rawlins Gilliland
June 24, 2009 9:56 PM
He writes better love letters than Jim McGreevey.
Michele
June 24, 2009 9:59 PM
...and I agree with MJ that it's refreshing not to have the wife trotted out to stand next to the humiliated husband. Let him have all the glory to himself (even if it's the wrong kind). He's earned it :-)
John E. - Agn Stoic
June 24, 2009 10:03 PM
Mrs. Sanford has released a classy statement:
I would like to start by saying I love my husband and I believe I have put forth every effort possible to be the best wife I can be during our almost twenty years of marriage. As well, for the last fifteen years my husband has been fully engaged in public service to the citizens and taxpayers of this state and I have faithfully supported him in those efforts to the best of my ability. I have been and remain proud of his accomplishments and his service to this state.
I personally believe that the greatest legacy I will leave behind in this world is not the job I held on Wall Street, or the campaigns I managed for Mark, or the work I have done as First Lady or even the philanthropic activities in which I have been routinely engaged. Instead, the greatest legacy I will leave in this world is the character of the children I, or we, leave behind. It is for that reason that I deeply regret the recent actions of my husband Mark, and their potential damage to our children.
I believe wholeheartedly in the sanctity, dignity and importance of the institution of marriage. I believe that has been consistently reflected in my actions. When I found out about my husband's infidelity I worked immediately to first seek reconciliation through forgiveness, and then to work diligently to repair our marriage. We reached a point where I felt it was important to look my sons in the eyes and maintain my dignity, self-respect, and my basic sense of right and wrong. I therefore asked my husband to leave two weeks ago.
This trial separation was agreed to with the goal of ultimately strengthening our marriage. During this short separation it was agreed that Mark would not contact us. I kept this separation quiet out of respect of his public office and reputation, and in hopes of keeping our children from just this type of public exposure. Because of this separation, I did not know where he was in the past week.
I believe enduring love is primarily a commitment and an act of will, and for a marriage to be successful, that commitment must be reciprocal. I believe Mark has earned a chance to resurrect our marriage.
Psalm 127 states that sons are a gift from the Lord and children a reward from Him. I will continue to pour my energy into raising our sons to be honorable young men. I remain willing to forgive Mark completely for his indiscretions and to welcome him back, in time, if he continues to work toward reconciliation with a true spirit of humility and repentance.
This is a very painful time for us and I would humbly request now that members of the media respect the privacy of my boys and me as we struggle together to continue on with our lives and as I seek the wisdom of Solomon, the strength and patience of Job and the grace of God in helping to heal my family.
Maeb
June 24, 2009 10:10 PM
Lots O God in that there press release; they're definitely gunning for a run in 2012...
Call me a cynic.
Stevereno
June 24, 2009 10:17 PM
Rod, I apologize but I am going to digress with this comment. I love the back and forth of this blog and you do an amazing job. The digression follows:
Much has been made of the ABC healthcare program at the White House and the lack of opportunity for another side to be presented. Unfortunately, this has been common place on Jake Tapper's political punch blog (blogs.abcnews.com) for a long time. Comments from a conservative point of view are deleted. I do not use fowl language or attack other commenters in my posts, but still my posts are taken down. Many others on the site have experienced this. Jake actually looked into it during the fall campaign and it got slightly better, but the result of his looking into it was not an admission at all of the fact that comments were deleted because of their conservative point of view. Jake is actually one of better reporters we have in Washington. Jake and ABC News should be embarrassed by blatant political censorhip of their moderators, which Jake said is done by a contract company. Free flow of ideas it is not.
I would love it if you would post this email or something about this situation. Perhaps that would embarrass ABC News enough to get a handle on their moderators.
Thanks for your help.
Stevereno
Michele
June 24, 2009 10:21 PM
btw, there has to be--at this very hour--a full court media press to be the first to publish a photo of this woman.
Michael Medved noted today that it's so much harder to hide this kind of stuff than it used to be. He reminds us that JFK, amazingly, had an affair with the leading Hollywood sex symbol of his day---Marilyn Monroe---and when he was done with her passed her on to his famous brother. Nobody knew. and this guy was president, for crying out loud. That kind of thing could never be pulled off today. Just ask John Edwards, Bill Clinton, Jim McGreevy, Eliot Spitzer et al....
Lord Karth
June 24, 2009 10:24 PM
John E-AgnStoic @ 10:03 PM quotes a certain governor's wife, as follows:
"This is a very painful time for us and I would humbly request now that members of the media respect the privacy of my boys and me as we struggle together to continue on with our lives and as I seek the wisdom of Solomon, the strength and patience of Job and the grace of God in helping to heal my family."
Actual Translation: "Butt out, media nosies. I've got some serious strategy sessions with my divorce lawyers to take care of. We're going to take this philandering ba$tard for every dime he's got, and we don't want YOU tampering with our evidence."
"Want a real story ? Go talk to the Attorney General or the Federal prosecutor in Charleston about the corruption and misuse-of-state-funds probes that they should be starting."
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Rawlins Gilliland
June 24, 2009 10:25 PM
I do not recommend cheating on a spouse if you are legally allowed to have one. I do however recommend Buenos Aires. Recalling how it took two to tango, I’m returning there in August. .Ole’
Gary Seaton
June 24, 2009 10:27 PM
Maeb: You're a cynic. Great statement by Mrs. Sanford. Oremus.
Charles Mangerian
June 24, 2009 10:33 PM
DThe media outed Sanford because he's a rival to the Obama nation. It would be great if Sanford were a role model, but that's not what he was elected for. We should pray for him and the strength of character to not be swayed by the media.
I hope the GOP doesn't shoot its wounded. And I also hope God punishes the man who votes for a pro-abort Democrat as a result of the Governor's very personal sin.
Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime. Democrats are the party of death, and that party and its captive media exploit scandals like this to elect moral reprobates like themselves.
Certainly we would rather a good family man over an adulterer, but we don't elect these folks to be role models. Politicians aren't gods, nor are they royalty.
We should choose our politicians like we choose our doctors. Generally a moral doctor is to be preferred, but a good doctor over a godly doctor. I'm not giving Sanford a pass, but we need to keep perspective, and avoid the purient "holier than thou" attitude that delights in scandal, the promotion of which, is a sin.
Maeb
June 24, 2009 10:34 PM
Had tried to stay away from the visuals, but I just watched a tiny clip of his news conference today, and now I'm 99% sure the guy is a conniving sleazebag. I may be a cynic but the world isn't helping!
Charles Cosimano
June 24, 2009 10:34 PM
I'm still dumbfounded that Eva Peron's grand-daughter is still running her grandmother's brothel.
That's got to be it! Sanford has a South American General's uniform fetish!
John E. - Agn Stoic
June 24, 2009 10:42 PM
The media outed Sanford because he's a rival to the Obama nation.
Bah, Sanford did this to himself. By comparison, he made Father Cutie look like a model of discretion.
Roland de Chanson
June 24, 2009 10:43 PM
John E. Agn Stoic: whose betrayal of vows was worse - Governor Sanford's or Father Cutie's?
An intriguing question. All I can say is that I would rather face the wrath and mercy of the Good Lord than the wrath of la belle dame sans merci.
Hell hath no fury ....
Furorem tantum non agnoscunt Inferi quantum mulieris spretae.
I have just read Mrs. Sanford's moving statement. Boys need a father. Fathers are flawed like all men. Her boys will be men one day. There will be no divorce. Nor should there be.
Omnia vincit amor.
Mark in Houston
June 24, 2009 10:45 PM
"Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
I wouldn't be so sure of that. From the South Carolina Code of Laws:
SECTION 16-15-60. Adultery or fornication.
Any man or woman who shall be guilty of the crime of adultery or fornication shall be liable to indictment and, on conviction, shall be severally punished by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five hundred dollars or imprisonment for not less than six months nor more than one year or by both fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court.
SECTION 16-15-70. "Adultery" defined.
"Adultery" is the living together and carnal intercourse with each other or habitual carnal intercourse with each other without living together of a man and woman when either is lawfully married to some other person.
"And I also hope God punishes the man who votes for a pro-abort Democrat as a result of the Governor's very personal sin."
What is wrong with you? What is wrong with this country? What's wrong with the South?
And now SC adultery codes. You can tell how old the statutes are. At least $100 or not more than $500 (not too bad, like a speeding ticket or plane flight to LA) -OR- AT LEAST SIX MONTHS IN THE CLINK.
Ha. Must be from about 1912.
Rawlins
June 24, 2009 11:14 PM
I suppose this would be an inopportune time to mention how Argentines whisper sweetly in Spanish with an Italian accent. (In the frosty nocturnal winter mist of June.)
Pentimento
June 24, 2009 11:25 PM
I'm distressed that you've piled on with the rest of the press to give everyone a good guffaw about Sanford's embarrassing emails. It's a sad situation for all involved, and it would be decent of you to demonstrate a bit of charity toward this poor besotted fool and his family. I personally don't want to know what Sanford wrote to his mistress, and I'm disappointed to find it here, after your promise -- was it during Great Lent that you made it? -- that you were going to tone down the snark on this blog.
Pentimento
June 24, 2009 11:33 PM
Y"es adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
Alas?
Cf. John 8:1-11.
Your Name
June 24, 2009 11:38 PM
"Lots O God in that there press release; they're definitely gunning for a run in 2012"
TR: It's worth considering that they may just actually be committed Christians. All the "O God" stuff is quite possibly too much on a national stage that's increasingly secular.
It might be nice to think "nahh if they were serious Christians he wouldn't have ever committed adultery" but the world doesn't always work like that. Especially not the world of Christianity in the South.
eric k
June 24, 2009 11:45 PM
Charles,
I don't know what is funnier, that you think the media outed Sanford, or that you think Obama is quaking in fear of an unpopular far right governor. He'd love to run against Sanford or Palin or any of the heroes of the far right base.
John E. - Agn Stoic
June 24, 2009 11:50 PM
An intriguing question. All I can say is that I would rather face the wrath and mercy of the Good Lord than the wrath of la belle dame sans merci.
Totally agree with you there, Roland.
I suppose this would be an inopportune time to mention how Argentines whisper sweetly in Spanish with an Italian accent.
Latinas have lead many a man to do foolish things - I should know, I married one!
Sacramental Bea
June 24, 2009 11:56 PM
"Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
One could say the exact same thing about homosexuality, no?
All this 'god talk' (both Mrs. Sanford's and Mr. referring to "God's laws" - all the while flouting same) - fie on't.
Yet Rod addresses tawdry prose and ignores the blatant hypocrisy and double standards, claiming he 'can't follow the logic'. Correct, Rod, you can't follow it if you continue to ignore it.
John E. - Agn Stoic
June 25, 2009 12:05 AM
Strange that this 'story' isn't filed under 'infidelity' or 'adultery' or 'decline and fall' or 'hypocrisy'.
That would be redundant - the story is already filed under "Republicans".
sigaliris
June 25, 2009 12:55 AM
It is sometimes possible to forgive infidelity. It's much harder to forgive a man for being a narcissistic ass. Not, mind you, that I'm saying Sanford is an ass. Only that, at this distance, he gives the appearance of being so. I refer you to Robert Graves' poem, "A Slice of Wedding Cake."
"Why have such scores of lovely, gifted girls
Married impossible men?
Simple self-sacrifice may be ruled out,
And missionary endeavour, nine times out of ten.
Repeat 'impossible men': not merely rustic,
Foul-tempered or depraved
(Dramatic foils chosen to show the world
How well women behave, and always have behaved).
Impossible men: idle, illiterate,
Self-pitying, dirty, sly,
For whose appearance even in City parks
Excuses must be made to casual passers-by.
Has God's supply of tolerable husbands
Fallen, in fact, so low?
Or do I always over-value woman
At the expense of man?
Do I?
It might be so."
Arrrrghhh
June 25, 2009 2:24 AM
Did you REALLY have to post this? I could have lived my whole life without it.
Rombald
June 25, 2009 3:00 AM
Except for cases of rape and physical violence, I would be loth to blame marital failure on one party only.
I thought Sanford's email was louche ("magnificent parts"), but I thought his wife's press release was seriously creepy - quoting Psalms (WTF?).
Sigaliris: You don't have much to say about impossible women.
Thomas R
June 25, 2009 3:18 AM
"since Mr. Sanford was so vocal in his adamance that queers not be allowed to marry while simultaneously sh!tting on his own."
TR: I think things like this is part of why I moved away from a more neutral, edging toward cautiously positive, view of SSM. If an argument for something tends to rely on bad analogies and childish non-sequitirs it might indicate something is wrong with the idea altogether.
Imagine a baseball player who's adamantly against women being in major league baseball. It turns out he was doing steroids. Does that support or invalidate his views on women in baseball? It does neither, it's irrelevant.
The Mighty Favog
June 25, 2009 4:22 AM
http://www.revolution21.org
Who in the hell writes a love letter with bullet points to his Argentine squeeze?
Republicans' lack of imagination and competence, alas, extends to adultery as well. If it were Edwin Edwards, for instance, he would have told his mistress that it took him an hour and a half to be a 60-minute man.
No bullet points.
Will no one rid us of these hypocritcal and incompetent clods?
MargaretE
June 25, 2009 4:37 AM
Rod, I'm disappointed that you posted this embarrassing letter. This puts you in the same league with Keith Olbermann, who made great hay of it on Countdown last night. I know the Sanford family personally, and I can tell you that they are the real deal. A loving family, committed Christians, dedicated public servants. Mark Sanford has fallen prey to the oldest temptations in the book, lust and pride, and he is broken and contrite. Anybody who watched his entire press conference yesterday and came away thinking it was insincere, or some sort of set-up for 2012, is deeply cynical and needs to examine his own heart. A good man has fallen and a wonderful family is suffering. Where is our forgiveness and understanding? There's a song that says: "they will know we are Christians by our love." My heart breaks for this family.
public defender
June 25, 2009 5:25 AM
The affair is of public interest because of how he skipped out on his job and because it shows bad character, but do we need to see his lust-letters? That seems to cross the line into voyeurism.
Generally, the public shouldn't demand resignation over an affair. It should be a black mark against the politician--a factor we should weigh casting a vote. But it generally should not be the deciding factor.
Charles Foster Kane
June 25, 2009 5:31 AM
I'm as disgusted as anyone at these moral poseurs and at GOP chuckleheads in general, but I agree with MargaretE: I wonder what public question is advanced by publishing the exact words some guy wrote to his girlfriend. I would hope that both conservatives and liberals could agree that it's very dangerous to treat people's most intimate relationships as any business of the public's (indeed, that's the fundamental claim underlying the pro-choice position). If Sanford was spending public money to fly off to see his mistress, then publish the receipts or whatever else proves this, or at least redact the more personal stuff out of the e-mail. But this is just voyeurism. Also, bleccchh.
Donna
June 25, 2009 8:05 AM
Adultery may not be a crime. However, it is UNLAWFUL to leave your governmental post in such a way, and possibly use either campaign funds or government funds in order to do so. He did NOT inform any of his aides in order to leave the country from what I've heard in the media. I would hope this guy is forced to leave the governor's seat for that. In essence, he vacated his governor's seat without communication. I believe I had read somewhere that is was required of him to notify his vice-governor and the appropriate chain of command if he did indeed plan to leave the country. To me, that action of leaving the country without the proper communication shows a severe lack of responsibility on his part. This is an adult, grown man who showed much immaturity through his affair and leaving his post.
There really is no need to publish this man's letter to his mistress. It causes more hurt and pain to the family. While it does give us insight to the character of this man, I don't feel it should have been made public.
steve
June 25, 2009 8:17 AM
The only reason I can think of to publish the emails, besides the ratings and blog hits, is just to demonstrate how stupid/arrogant the man was. He thought he could disappear for days without telling anyone and no one would notice? He is a very public governor who has been looking for higher office. The fact that these emails are coming out also shows that he was unable to even be moderately discrete about what he was doing. Really bad judgment. Sure, forgive the sin, but for the bad judgment, for not living up to his responsibilities, he needs to go. If the emails being made public provide some public shame and make him resign, they are worth it. Our politicians are at least occasionally made embarrassed enough to do the right thing.
Steve
New Age Cowboy
June 25, 2009 8:27 AM
MargaretE,
How did you feel about all of Clinton's laundry being aired? Apparently, Sanford never objected to any of that in the 90s. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
Marty
June 25, 2009 9:07 AM
Interesting how many of those who excoriated Bill Clinton are guilty of the same thing. Many said, well, it's not the affair with Monica Lewinsky, it's that he lied under oath. Fair enough. For me, with Sanford, it's not the affair with the Argentinian lady, it's the dereliction of duty of his job of governor in leaving the state, and even the country without being in contact with his staff and without handing temporary power to the Lt. Governor.
Well, we are all sinners, but really, if you are not going to live up to the Christian moral code, don't make a big fat deal about being a family person and upholding family values, protecting marriage from those nasty gays, etc. Marriage is a lot more harmed by people like Sanford and Spitzer and John Edwards than if two gay men down the street from me want to get married.
This seems to be a regular occurrance with "family values" Republicans. I agree with the poster who says Republicans should drop the Religious Right shtick, it's not working for them. Having been raised as a Goldwater mind your own damn business Republican, I agree. I personally don't care if politicians are adulterers, as long as they aren't spending tax money on their mistresses. But when they bloviate about family values, faith, etc., and still do this stuff, well, it just annoys me terribly.
who knew
June 25, 2009 9:11 AM
At what point in the press conference did Sanford actually state that he was breaking things off? Is he being deliberately evasive or did I just miss that part of the statement?
Andrea
June 25, 2009 9:27 AM
His tearful press conference reminded me of Jimmy Swaggart's infamous "I have sinned against you, my Lord" speech. It's none of our business except for what he did on the public's time and with the public's dollar. If I were his wife, I'd certainly divorce him and take him for everything he's got. If I were the voters, I'd toss him out on his ear. If I were him, I'd get a lawyer, then a psychiatrist, and decide how best to straighten myself out financially and emotionally. It sounds to me like he loves this woman in Argentina. Maybe his marriage should end and, after a decent interval, he should marry the other woman. But he'll certainly pay a price in career and in his relationships with his sons and family for what he's done.
Observer
June 25, 2009 10:26 AM
The email is important not for its content - which of us would like all our private correspondence, from all our years, published? - but because it's a judgment issue. Mr. Sanford's sexual behavior is none of our business, but his judgment is.
He has shown appalling judgment. Those of us who were adults back in the days of Nixon learned or should have learned that if it exists in writing or in a recording, it can and will (if expedient to someone) be made public. So you don't write stuff like this down, no, not even in an email. (I'm not sure we Nixon-era folks taught our children well enough.) If you want to murmur this crap into her ear, you do it on a landline telephone (no, Prince Charles, not a mobile, for that too can be captured by strangers). Or you take a leaf from the CIA, and you only say this stuff in person, and only in an environment you're SURE isn't bugged.
Better of course that you don't behave this way at all if you have ambitions as a politician. Make up your mind. Do you want power? Really? Well, what are you willing to give for it? Mr. Clinton was in office as President for eight years. You can't keep it zipped up for eight years? Perhaps you're in the wrong profession.
Unhappily perhaps, the only way to get this lesson across seems to be to publish this kind of thing in the hope that other similarly-situated political persons will take the hint.
Dharmashaiva
June 25, 2009 10:26 AM
http://comp.uark.edu/~tsweden/5per.html
Where's Lamont in all of this?
Rod Dreher
June 25, 2009 10:50 AM
Where's Lamont in all of this?
I'm so glad somebody else made that connection! What the governor really needs is for Aunt Esther to show up, call him a "fish-eyed fool," and whop him on the head with her handbag. That'll sort him out. Failing that, I say: GRADY FOR GOVERNOR!
Charles Cosimano
June 25, 2009 11:04 AM
Now, as a good, Bible-believing Southern Christian, Fred-er-Mark Sanford should have know what happens when you go lusting after foreign women. Look what happened to Solomon!
Your Name
June 25, 2009 11:44 AM
I assume that since he voted to impeach Bill Clinton for lesser offences, he will resign as governor.
BTW, Faux News is pulling the old trick of identifying a Republican caught with his pants down as a Democrat.
JohnMcC
June 25, 2009 12:17 PM
I join 'Marty' @ 9:07. I love watching the private laundry of the Clinton-impeachers hung from public lines. Now if only the SC legislature would haul Gov Sanford into a public docket and inquire:
How many times? What positions? In what room of the house? Was anything spilled on her clothes?
And if Gov Sanford should be reluctant to answer? Convict him of perjury!!! So that an honest election in which the people of SC chose him their governor could be overturned.
That is what Mark Sanford deserves!!!
stefanie
June 25, 2009 12:20 PM
As a love letter, that's pretty poor. His mistress should have dumped him long ago.
Matt
June 25, 2009 1:46 PM
Like so many traditional marriage conservatives in the South, Gov. Sanford loved to grind his filthy boot into the face of committed gay relationships. It may be a "non sequitir", but I take great joy in the unmasking of this holier-than-thou prig. His hateful ways have truly come home to roost.
Saul
June 25, 2009 1:49 PM
Don't politicians need the same sort of life skills workshops that the NHL and other sports leagues require their players to complete?
MargaretE
June 25, 2009 2:24 PM
I'll say it one more time. Mark Sanford is no "hateful prig." I know the man. He is a decent, kind, intelligent family man and hard-working public servant who screwed up big time and knows it. A sinner who sinned on a grand scale in the public eye, and will probably pay the price of his career and possibly his family. Are there no more Christian readers on this blog? Is there no one here capable of forgiveness?
Rod Dreher
June 25, 2009 2:32 PM
Matt: Like so many traditional marriage conservatives in the South, Gov. Sanford loved to grind his filthy boot into the face of committed gay relationships.
If that's the way you talk, I sure hope you have a fainting couch nearby. You got th' vapors, bubba.
Michael
June 25, 2009 2:47 PM
Are there no more Christian readers on this blog? Is there no one here capable of forgiveness?
Is it really our job--as people not connected to the sin--to grant forgiveness?
And isn't this part of the process of shame: the public acknowledgment that shames people for doing bad things to themselves, their families, and the people who elected them. Isn't it Rod who has spoken about the necessity of "shame" that should accompany appalling behavior like this? Just like shaming slutty women and shaming teens who have sex, isn't it also necessary to shame adulterers, no matter how contrite and nice they seem?
Observer
June 25, 2009 3:01 PM
I don't know Mark Sanford (and nothing I've heard so far makes me want to get to know him), and he may well be a decent, kind man.
However, as it turns out, he's in a very poor position to make moral judgments on other people, be these other people homosexuals or heterosexual adulterers. I bet he wishes he'd kept his mouth shut.
Elizabeth Anne
June 25, 2009 4:44 PM
Is there a fast going on in the Orthodox Church right now? Cuz dang, Rod, you have reminded me of no one so much as Pentheus this week. You seem to be spending a lot of time going into great detail about the nasty, disgusting, filthy details of what other people get up to.
sigaliris
June 25, 2009 4:56 PM
MargaretE, I think you're making a big mistake in believing that a man can be a "decent, kind . . . family man" while lying to those who trust him and cheating on those he supposedly loves best. An affair that goes on for more than a year is not a teensy, weensy mistake like forgetting to take out the garbage. He left his family alone on Father's Day so he could hang out with his girlfriend in Argentina. What about that seems decent to you? Supposedly, his wife found out about this five months ago. If he were a decent, kind man, he could have behaved honestly from that point on and brought this to a discreet resolution--either by admitting he longer wanted to be married and asking for a divorce, or by ending the affair. Instead, he indulged in bizarre behavior that exposed his long-suffering wife to public humiliation. What about that seems kind to you? He had half a year or more to make choices that put his family first. Instead, he put himself first.
It's entirely possible that he has serious personal dysfunctions of some kind that make it impossible for him to exercise good judgment. That isn't a moral failing, but a psychological one. However, if that's true, then the decent, kind thing to do is get himself into therapy and deal with it before he does any more damage to people who unfortunately trusted him to a be a mature, competent human being when he wasn't one. Glossing over his failings by calling for "forgiveness" isn't going to help anyone.
Observer
June 25, 2009 5:22 PM
Someone here on another thread - I think it was Susan Peterson - wrote a long, pretty fantastic, pretty unrealistic view of how society should be organized, in her view. It involved gay men marrying women and having families, among other things, and also involved the idea that well, if you don't get to realize your true sexual desires, too bad, there are more important things in this life.
Without getting all the way on board with Ms. Peterson (if that's who it was) I think adults realize that one's sexual desires and preferences, while important, are not to be made gods. Although I strongly disagree with the idea that gay men should be more or less forced to marry women (and I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the unfortunate women on the other end of that one!) there is a germ of truth in what she is saying.
Take Mark Sanford. Let us assume that his marriage wasn't "working" for him, sexually or otherwise. Let us further assume that he really was/is in love with Ms. Argentina, and that that relationship helped him grow as a person in a way that his marriage didn't.
So what.
As sigaliris points out, the man had other obligations which should have trumped such considerations. There's his wife. Then, there are his four boys. There's nothing kind or decent about this behavior, and as sigaliris also mentions, this wasn't just a little glitch, you know, this was an affair that went on for a year. And so forth.
How much unkind, indecent behavior does a man have to exhibit before we admit that he is not, in fact, either "kind" or "decent?"
Forgiveness is not ours to grant, because he has not damaged any of us. (In a way he's done us all a favor, by displaying his character in living color before we foolishly elected him to higher office.) He has damaged and humiliated his wife, and betrayed her and his children. They are all going to have to work this out; it is not our business.
BobN
June 25, 2009 5:27 PM
There can be no healing without repentance, and no true repentance without authentic contrition.
Someone should apologize for re-publishing private correspondence.
Puts recent posts about debasing the culture into perspective, doesn't it?
BobN
June 25, 2009 5:53 PM
If that's the way you talk, I sure hope you have a fainting couch nearby. You got th' vapors, bubba.
Considering how quick you are to scream bloody murder anytime you're offended by something only minimally related to your life and family, you might refrain from criticizing people whose lives are directly affected by the political actions of morally corrupt leaders of family values conservatism.
If anyone's home should have a fainting couch, it's yours. Several of them, in fact.
Thomas R
June 25, 2009 6:07 PM
"Is it really our job--as people not connected to the sin--to grant forgiveness?" Michael
TR: Well maybe not, but I think there is something unhealthy in Dreher's need to call people filth or unworthy of their children or whatever. Do people not involved really have an ability to make those kinds of judgments?
The blog of late is becoming a litany of "worst people in the world" which I find potentially unnerving. If he is fasting, I'm tempted to think fasting is making him cranky and he should take a break for awhile.
Thomas R
June 25, 2009 6:08 PM
For clarity I meant a break from blogging, not fasting. Fasting being part of his faith and all.
sigaliris
June 25, 2009 6:21 PM
Hee hee. I rather like BobN's idea of the house provided with many fainting couches, for the sake of convenience. There would have to be one wherever the outside world might intrude--in front of the TV, for sure, but possibly out in the kitchen, if there's a kitchen radio, and perhaps one located in the foyer, for use when the mail or newspapers arrive! To preserve proper gender distinctions and discourage homosexuality and feminism, one would also need gender-specific fainting couches. The patriarchal fainting couch would have to be a stern navy blue, with butch mahogany framing and perhaps a manly monogram, while the ladies' couches could be pink and frilly. The ladies might make their shock and horror known with a treble-pitched "ooh la la," while the patriarchs would faint with a masculine "OOF!" Some enterprising soul could sell family fainting couches through Vision Forum or some similar "family values" online giftshop.
BobN
June 25, 2009 6:21 PM
Cranky appears to be part of his faith, as well.
(Yes, I'm teasing.)
Your Name
June 25, 2009 6:59 PM
TR: Well maybe not, but I think there is something unhealthy in Dreher's need to call people filth or unworthy of their children or whatever. Do people not involved really have an ability to make those kinds of judgments?
His blog, his judgement. This is what you DO on your blog. You don't have to buy his judgements (I usually don't)
1. How soon before "Evita" turns up in Playboy or Penthouse?
2. How soon before Mark Sanford is a "correspondant" on Faux News? Oh yeah, probably never. They now claim he is a Democrat.
New Englander
June 25, 2009 8:18 PM
There is one aspect of this sad story that bothers me: How did these personal e-mails become public? Who was able to access them and make them public? Sorry, but whoever is responsible for disseminating them to the media is simply sleazy!
Thomas R
June 25, 2009 8:19 PM
"His blog, his judgement."
TR: My comment, my judgment.
Victoria
June 30, 2009 10:10 PM
My life experience has shown most all men are vulnerable & are not the aggressors in a hetero-sexual relationship. BUT if they are in a position to cheat with little fear of being "found out" they readily succumb to temptation.
I blame the mistress. A woman knows when a man is interested and she has the power to turn it on or turn it off. The mistress obviously knew he was married and easily could have "turned it off".
With these love mails it seems Sanford attempted to justify the illicit relationship by trying to portray the affair as "romantic love".
Sad as it is for me to admit (as I am a staunch Republican conservative with warm fuzzy feelings for SC Republicans)--Sanford has to go. He made a very bad decision & is not worthy of a position of power. Sanford displayed one vulnerability; who knows how many more there are?
Victoria
June 30, 2009 10:33 PM
And by the way I'm getting quite weary of people cutting down FOX News, just like I tuned out the people cutting down Michael Jackson years ago. I put them in the same category as the folks in Minnesota who voted for Al Franken.
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Four boys:
Marshall Sanford
Landon Sanford
Bolton Sanford
Blake Sanford
Tan lines? ROTFL!
While I agree with your assessment that Sanford is not worthy of his wife or his boys, I must add that I always found that a woman without tan lines was far more enticing.
I wonder whether he's singing "Don't cry for me Argentina."
Quel rustre!
O Lord. The "magnificent parts" bit is winceworthy. So is his itinerary. The guy who jots off to Aspen for a weekend spent all that energy trying to slash education funding to his state?
I wonder what the "two magnificent parts of yourself" were that he was referring to. It's hard to hold your eyes without tripping and falling down, unless one is standing perfectly still. This is all very confusing.
I've heard worse. Prince Charles was really cringeworthy as I recall. It's interesting to see a politician who, even with his mistress, is like "let's not get into sexual details in writing." Now that's conservative! "I'll cheat on my wife with you, but let's only talk about sophistication and grace not the sex."
I assume she has money, since she plans to be in New York "later in the month." I assume (without knowing) that she is not the governor of a province in Argentina or equivalent.
So, why is he risking everything to fly to Argentina? Why didn't she fly north instead if they were so hot to see each other? And if, as he now claims, he intended to "break it off," well, as we who have been around the block a few times can attest, breaking up may be "hard to do," but it can certainly be done on the telephone. Why run this crazy risk? Something isn't adding up.
Pithy stuff.
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs. It makes me wonder exactly what is pressuring these men to do things like this? Midlife crises or something far worse? Is it a mental or psychological problem due to the pressure of their lives?
I won't comment on whether he's worthy of his wife and boys. That will ultimately IMHO be determined by his family and by his sincerity and how he heals himself from this disaster. Having gone through something similar (my ex wasn't/isn't famous but did the whole midlife affair with a far-out situation and deceit to not only me but everyone of his friends and family and employers), I am seeing so many parallels in men who are becoming of a certain age and really struggling. I think these affairs are often a sign of lashing out against some struggling they are involved in...most likely a spiritual or psychological struggle.
If Governor Sanford had any honor whatsoever, he would resign. Immediately, and without further fuss or ado.
Officials at that level should be exemplars of proper conduct, not exhibits of moral collapse.
Not that I expect this to happen, but one can hope.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Observer: Why run this crazy risk? Something isn't adding up.
Yeah, my guess is that he ran to her arms for comfort after his legislative defeat. And that today is the first she's heard about "breaking it off."
Geez, I'm ever so glad I didn't waste my capacity for tawdry intrigue on that Jon & Cate family...
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs. It makes me wonder exactly what is pressuring these men to do things like this? Midlife crises or something far worse? Is it a mental or psychological problem due to the pressure of their lives?
Newsflash: Powerful men have been having sex with as many women as they can for thousands of years. It will go on for thousands more. I think it even comes up a few times in the Bible. It might not be pleasant, or moral, or right, but it's reality.
"A man is only as faithful as his options" - Chris Rock.
This is really becoming all to common, highly visible, powerful, and supposedly successful midlife men having affairs.
It has always been all too common, it is just that we are more likely to find out about it in the media these days.
Question for the room - whose betrayal of vows was worse - Governor Sanford's or Father Cutie's?
Yes, that was my first clue as to something not right -- you can "break it off" with a phone call. Not five days of tears.
Add him to the list of jerks. Good for his wife to not trot out there with him in front of the cameras, although just once I'd love to see one of these women come out screaming at the husband during the obligatory press conference. I'd vote for that woman for president any day.
I agree a bit there. Men drawn to power are not always the most moral men. Although maybe they're not odd.
I think studies indicate up to 37% of men cheat, or have cheated, on their wives. Presumably not all these men are worthless people unworthy of their children. Or that they must atone for their sins publicly to the satisfaction of bloggers. I'm not really defending Sanford, but I don't like the condemnatory vulture stance journalists often take on issues.
Actually, yes he has 4 boys as JerryS outlines...and which I think are 4 excellent reasons to re-think succombing to temptation. Look, I think most of these politicians (and several other married people in general) have some kind of temptation thrown at them sometime in their lives, but it's a lesson to all here to consider all that one is risking if acting upon those temptations.
After all, where did he think all this would lead? Leaving his wife and kids...for "Miss" Argentina? Not so much, m'dear. She may be "hot", but she definitely wasn't worth all the hurt caused to the boys and the wife he promised to love and cherish, nor the embarrassment of having all of us read the sexy letters to his mistress. I guarantee you Sanford now knows this, and wishes he'd never "gone there".
He writes better love letters than Jim McGreevey.
...and I agree with MJ that it's refreshing not to have the wife trotted out to stand next to the humiliated husband. Let him have all the glory to himself (even if it's the wrong kind). He's earned it :-)
Mrs. Sanford has released a classy statement:
I would like to start by saying I love my husband and I believe I have put forth every effort possible to be the best wife I can be during our almost twenty years of marriage. As well, for the last fifteen years my husband has been fully engaged in public service to the citizens and taxpayers of this state and I have faithfully supported him in those efforts to the best of my ability. I have been and remain proud of his accomplishments and his service to this state.
I personally believe that the greatest legacy I will leave behind in this world is not the job I held on Wall Street, or the campaigns I managed for Mark, or the work I have done as First Lady or even the philanthropic activities in which I have been routinely engaged. Instead, the greatest legacy I will leave in this world is the character of the children I, or we, leave behind. It is for that reason that I deeply regret the recent actions of my husband Mark, and their potential damage to our children.
I believe wholeheartedly in the sanctity, dignity and importance of the institution of marriage. I believe that has been consistently reflected in my actions. When I found out about my husband's infidelity I worked immediately to first seek reconciliation through forgiveness, and then to work diligently to repair our marriage. We reached a point where I felt it was important to look my sons in the eyes and maintain my dignity, self-respect, and my basic sense of right and wrong. I therefore asked my husband to leave two weeks ago.
This trial separation was agreed to with the goal of ultimately strengthening our marriage. During this short separation it was agreed that Mark would not contact us. I kept this separation quiet out of respect of his public office and reputation, and in hopes of keeping our children from just this type of public exposure. Because of this separation, I did not know where he was in the past week.
I believe enduring love is primarily a commitment and an act of will, and for a marriage to be successful, that commitment must be reciprocal. I believe Mark has earned a chance to resurrect our marriage.
Psalm 127 states that sons are a gift from the Lord and children a reward from Him. I will continue to pour my energy into raising our sons to be honorable young men. I remain willing to forgive Mark completely for his indiscretions and to welcome him back, in time, if he continues to work toward reconciliation with a true spirit of humility and repentance.
This is a very painful time for us and I would humbly request now that members of the media respect the privacy of my boys and me as we struggle together to continue on with our lives and as I seek the wisdom of Solomon, the strength and patience of Job and the grace of God in helping to heal my family.
Lots O God in that there press release; they're definitely gunning for a run in 2012...
Call me a cynic.
Rod, I apologize but I am going to digress with this comment. I love the back and forth of this blog and you do an amazing job. The digression follows:
Much has been made of the ABC healthcare program at the White House and the lack of opportunity for another side to be presented. Unfortunately, this has been common place on Jake Tapper's political punch blog (blogs.abcnews.com) for a long time. Comments from a conservative point of view are deleted. I do not use fowl language or attack other commenters in my posts, but still my posts are taken down. Many others on the site have experienced this. Jake actually looked into it during the fall campaign and it got slightly better, but the result of his looking into it was not an admission at all of the fact that comments were deleted because of their conservative point of view. Jake is actually one of better reporters we have in Washington. Jake and ABC News should be embarrassed by blatant political censorhip of their moderators, which Jake said is done by a contract company. Free flow of ideas it is not.
I would love it if you would post this email or something about this situation. Perhaps that would embarrass ABC News enough to get a handle on their moderators.
Thanks for your help.
Stevereno
btw, there has to be--at this very hour--a full court media press to be the first to publish a photo of this woman.
Michael Medved noted today that it's so much harder to hide this kind of stuff than it used to be. He reminds us that JFK, amazingly, had an affair with the leading Hollywood sex symbol of his day---Marilyn Monroe---and when he was done with her passed her on to his famous brother. Nobody knew. and this guy was president, for crying out loud. That kind of thing could never be pulled off today. Just ask John Edwards, Bill Clinton, Jim McGreevy, Eliot Spitzer et al....
John E-AgnStoic @ 10:03 PM quotes a certain governor's wife, as follows:
"This is a very painful time for us and I would humbly request now that members of the media respect the privacy of my boys and me as we struggle together to continue on with our lives and as I seek the wisdom of Solomon, the strength and patience of Job and the grace of God in helping to heal my family."
Actual Translation: "Butt out, media nosies. I've got some serious strategy sessions with my divorce lawyers to take care of. We're going to take this philandering ba$tard for every dime he's got, and we don't want YOU tampering with our evidence."
"Want a real story ? Go talk to the Attorney General or the Federal prosecutor in Charleston about the corruption and misuse-of-state-funds probes that they should be starting."
Your servant,
Lord Karth
I do not recommend cheating on a spouse if you are legally allowed to have one. I do however recommend Buenos Aires. Recalling how it took two to tango, I’m returning there in August. .Ole’
Maeb: You're a cynic. Great statement by Mrs. Sanford. Oremus.
DThe media outed Sanford because he's a rival to the Obama nation. It would be great if Sanford were a role model, but that's not what he was elected for. We should pray for him and the strength of character to not be swayed by the media.
I hope the GOP doesn't shoot its wounded. And I also hope God punishes the man who votes for a pro-abort Democrat as a result of the Governor's very personal sin.
Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime. Democrats are the party of death, and that party and its captive media exploit scandals like this to elect moral reprobates like themselves.
Certainly we would rather a good family man over an adulterer, but we don't elect these folks to be role models. Politicians aren't gods, nor are they royalty.
We should choose our politicians like we choose our doctors. Generally a moral doctor is to be preferred, but a good doctor over a godly doctor. I'm not giving Sanford a pass, but we need to keep perspective, and avoid the purient "holier than thou" attitude that delights in scandal, the promotion of which, is a sin.
Had tried to stay away from the visuals, but I just watched a tiny clip of his news conference today, and now I'm 99% sure the guy is a conniving sleazebag. I may be a cynic but the world isn't helping!
I'm still dumbfounded that Eva Peron's grand-daughter is still running her grandmother's brothel.
That's got to be it! Sanford has a South American General's uniform fetish!
The media outed Sanford because he's a rival to the Obama nation.
Bah, Sanford did this to himself. By comparison, he made Father Cutie look like a model of discretion.
John E. Agn Stoic: whose betrayal of vows was worse - Governor Sanford's or Father Cutie's?
An intriguing question. All I can say is that I would rather face the wrath and mercy of the Good Lord than the wrath of la belle dame sans merci.
Hell hath no fury ....
Furorem tantum non agnoscunt Inferi quantum mulieris spretae.
I have just read Mrs. Sanford's moving statement. Boys need a father. Fathers are flawed like all men. Her boys will be men one day. There will be no divorce. Nor should there be.
Omnia vincit amor.
"Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
I wouldn't be so sure of that. From the South Carolina Code of Laws:
SECTION 16-15-60. Adultery or fornication.
Any man or woman who shall be guilty of the crime of adultery or fornication shall be liable to indictment and, on conviction, shall be severally punished by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than five hundred dollars or imprisonment for not less than six months nor more than one year or by both fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court.
SECTION 16-15-70. "Adultery" defined.
"Adultery" is the living together and carnal intercourse with each other or habitual carnal intercourse with each other without living together of a man and woman when either is lawfully married to some other person.
Source: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/CODE/t16c015.htm
"And I also hope God punishes the man who votes for a pro-abort Democrat as a result of the Governor's very personal sin."
What is wrong with you? What is wrong with this country? What's wrong with the South?
And now SC adultery codes. You can tell how old the statutes are. At least $100 or not more than $500 (not too bad, like a speeding ticket or plane flight to LA) -OR- AT LEAST SIX MONTHS IN THE CLINK.
Ha. Must be from about 1912.
I suppose this would be an inopportune time to mention how Argentines whisper sweetly in Spanish with an Italian accent. (In the frosty nocturnal winter mist of June.)
I'm distressed that you've piled on with the rest of the press to give everyone a good guffaw about Sanford's embarrassing emails. It's a sad situation for all involved, and it would be decent of you to demonstrate a bit of charity toward this poor besotted fool and his family. I personally don't want to know what Sanford wrote to his mistress, and I'm disappointed to find it here, after your promise -- was it during Great Lent that you made it? -- that you were going to tone down the snark on this blog.
Y"es adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
Alas?
Cf. John 8:1-11.
"Lots O God in that there press release; they're definitely gunning for a run in 2012"
TR: It's worth considering that they may just actually be committed Christians. All the "O God" stuff is quite possibly too much on a national stage that's increasingly secular.
It might be nice to think "nahh if they were serious Christians he wouldn't have ever committed adultery" but the world doesn't always work like that. Especially not the world of Christianity in the South.
Charles,
I don't know what is funnier, that you think the media outed Sanford, or that you think Obama is quaking in fear of an unpopular far right governor. He'd love to run against Sanford or Palin or any of the heroes of the far right base.
An intriguing question. All I can say is that I would rather face the wrath and mercy of the Good Lord than the wrath of la belle dame sans merci.
Totally agree with you there, Roland.
I suppose this would be an inopportune time to mention how Argentines whisper sweetly in Spanish with an Italian accent.
Latinas have lead many a man to do foolish things - I should know, I married one!
"Yes adultery is a mortal sin, but in the modern era, alas, it isn't a crime."
One could say the exact same thing about homosexuality, no?
All this 'god talk' (both Mrs. Sanford's and Mr. referring to "God's laws" - all the while flouting same) - fie on't.
Yet Rod addresses tawdry prose and ignores the blatant hypocrisy and double standards, claiming he 'can't follow the logic'. Correct, Rod, you can't follow it if you continue to ignore it.
Strange that this 'story' isn't filed under 'infidelity' or 'adultery' or 'decline and fall' or 'hypocrisy'.
That would be redundant - the story is already filed under "Republicans".
It is sometimes possible to forgive infidelity. It's much harder to forgive a man for being a narcissistic ass. Not, mind you, that I'm saying Sanford is an ass. Only that, at this distance, he gives the appearance of being so. I refer you to Robert Graves' poem, "A Slice of Wedding Cake."
"Why have such scores of lovely, gifted girls
Married impossible men?
Simple self-sacrifice may be ruled out,
And missionary endeavour, nine times out of ten.
Repeat 'impossible men': not merely rustic,
Foul-tempered or depraved
(Dramatic foils chosen to show the world
How well women behave, and always have behaved).
Impossible men: idle, illiterate,
Self-pitying, dirty, sly,
For whose appearance even in City parks
Excuses must be made to casual passers-by.
Has God's supply of tolerable husbands
Fallen, in fact, so low?
Or do I always over-value woman
At the expense of man?
Do I?
It might be so."
Did you REALLY have to post this? I could have lived my whole life without it.
Except for cases of rape and physical violence, I would be loth to blame marital failure on one party only.
I thought Sanford's email was louche ("magnificent parts"), but I thought his wife's press release was seriously creepy - quoting Psalms (WTF?).
Sigaliris: You don't have much to say about impossible women.
"since Mr. Sanford was so vocal in his adamance that queers not be allowed to marry while simultaneously sh!tting on his own."
TR: I think things like this is part of why I moved away from a more neutral, edging toward cautiously positive, view of SSM. If an argument for something tends to rely on bad analogies and childish non-sequitirs it might indicate something is wrong with the idea altogether.
Imagine a baseball player who's adamantly against women being in major league baseball. It turns out he was doing steroids. Does that support or invalidate his views on women in baseball? It does neither, it's irrelevant.
Who in the hell writes a love letter with bullet points to his Argentine squeeze?
Republicans' lack of imagination and competence, alas, extends to adultery as well. If it were Edwin Edwards, for instance, he would have told his mistress that it took him an hour and a half to be a 60-minute man.
No bullet points.
Will no one rid us of these hypocritcal and incompetent clods?
Rod, I'm disappointed that you posted this embarrassing letter. This puts you in the same league with Keith Olbermann, who made great hay of it on Countdown last night. I know the Sanford family personally, and I can tell you that they are the real deal. A loving family, committed Christians, dedicated public servants. Mark Sanford has fallen prey to the oldest temptations in the book, lust and pride, and he is broken and contrite. Anybody who watched his entire press conference yesterday and came away thinking it was insincere, or some sort of set-up for 2012, is deeply cynical and needs to examine his own heart. A good man has fallen and a wonderful family is suffering. Where is our forgiveness and understanding? There's a song that says: "they will know we are Christians by our love." My heart breaks for this family.
The affair is of public interest because of how he skipped out on his job and because it shows bad character, but do we need to see his lust-letters? That seems to cross the line into voyeurism.
Generally, the public shouldn't demand resignation over an affair. It should be a black mark against the politician--a factor we should weigh casting a vote. But it generally should not be the deciding factor.
I'm as disgusted as anyone at these moral poseurs and at GOP chuckleheads in general, but I agree with MargaretE: I wonder what public question is advanced by publishing the exact words some guy wrote to his girlfriend. I would hope that both conservatives and liberals could agree that it's very dangerous to treat people's most intimate relationships as any business of the public's (indeed, that's the fundamental claim underlying the pro-choice position). If Sanford was spending public money to fly off to see his mistress, then publish the receipts or whatever else proves this, or at least redact the more personal stuff out of the e-mail. But this is just voyeurism. Also, bleccchh.
Adultery may not be a crime. However, it is UNLAWFUL to leave your governmental post in such a way, and possibly use either campaign funds or government funds in order to do so. He did NOT inform any of his aides in order to leave the country from what I've heard in the media. I would hope this guy is forced to leave the governor's seat for that. In essence, he vacated his governor's seat without communication. I believe I had read somewhere that is was required of him to notify his vice-governor and the appropriate chain of command if he did indeed plan to leave the country. To me, that action of leaving the country without the proper communication shows a severe lack of responsibility on his part. This is an adult, grown man who showed much immaturity through his affair and leaving his post.
There really is no need to publish this man's letter to his mistress. It causes more hurt and pain to the family. While it does give us insight to the character of this man, I don't feel it should have been made public.
The only reason I can think of to publish the emails, besides the ratings and blog hits, is just to demonstrate how stupid/arrogant the man was. He thought he could disappear for days without telling anyone and no one would notice? He is a very public governor who has been looking for higher office. The fact that these emails are coming out also shows that he was unable to even be moderately discrete about what he was doing. Really bad judgment. Sure, forgive the sin, but for the bad judgment, for not living up to his responsibilities, he needs to go. If the emails being made public provide some public shame and make him resign, they are worth it. Our politicians are at least occasionally made embarrassed enough to do the right thing.
Steve
MargaretE,
How did you feel about all of Clinton's laundry being aired? Apparently, Sanford never objected to any of that in the 90s. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
Interesting how many of those who excoriated Bill Clinton are guilty of the same thing. Many said, well, it's not the affair with Monica Lewinsky, it's that he lied under oath. Fair enough. For me, with Sanford, it's not the affair with the Argentinian lady, it's the dereliction of duty of his job of governor in leaving the state, and even the country without being in contact with his staff and without handing temporary power to the Lt. Governor.
Well, we are all sinners, but really, if you are not going to live up to the Christian moral code, don't make a big fat deal about being a family person and upholding family values, protecting marriage from those nasty gays, etc. Marriage is a lot more harmed by people like Sanford and Spitzer and John Edwards than if two gay men down the street from me want to get married.
This seems to be a regular occurrance with "family values" Republicans. I agree with the poster who says Republicans should drop the Religious Right shtick, it's not working for them. Having been raised as a Goldwater mind your own damn business Republican, I agree. I personally don't care if politicians are adulterers, as long as they aren't spending tax money on their mistresses. But when they bloviate about family values, faith, etc., and still do this stuff, well, it just annoys me terribly.
At what point in the press conference did Sanford actually state that he was breaking things off? Is he being deliberately evasive or did I just miss that part of the statement?
His tearful press conference reminded me of Jimmy Swaggart's infamous "I have sinned against you, my Lord" speech. It's none of our business except for what he did on the public's time and with the public's dollar. If I were his wife, I'd certainly divorce him and take him for everything he's got. If I were the voters, I'd toss him out on his ear. If I were him, I'd get a lawyer, then a psychiatrist, and decide how best to straighten myself out financially and emotionally. It sounds to me like he loves this woman in Argentina. Maybe his marriage should end and, after a decent interval, he should marry the other woman. But he'll certainly pay a price in career and in his relationships with his sons and family for what he's done.
The email is important not for its content - which of us would like all our private correspondence, from all our years, published? - but because it's a judgment issue. Mr. Sanford's sexual behavior is none of our business, but his judgment is.
He has shown appalling judgment. Those of us who were adults back in the days of Nixon learned or should have learned that if it exists in writing or in a recording, it can and will (if expedient to someone) be made public. So you don't write stuff like this down, no, not even in an email. (I'm not sure we Nixon-era folks taught our children well enough.) If you want to murmur this crap into her ear, you do it on a landline telephone (no, Prince Charles, not a mobile, for that too can be captured by strangers). Or you take a leaf from the CIA, and you only say this stuff in person, and only in an environment you're SURE isn't bugged.
Better of course that you don't behave this way at all if you have ambitions as a politician. Make up your mind. Do you want power? Really? Well, what are you willing to give for it? Mr. Clinton was in office as President for eight years. You can't keep it zipped up for eight years? Perhaps you're in the wrong profession.
Unhappily perhaps, the only way to get this lesson across seems to be to publish this kind of thing in the hope that other similarly-situated political persons will take the hint.
Where's Lamont in all of this?
Where's Lamont in all of this?
I'm so glad somebody else made that connection! What the governor really needs is for Aunt Esther to show up, call him a "fish-eyed fool," and whop him on the head with her handbag. That'll sort him out. Failing that, I say: GRADY FOR GOVERNOR!
Now, as a good, Bible-believing Southern Christian, Fred-er-Mark Sanford should have know what happens when you go lusting after foreign women. Look what happened to Solomon!
I assume that since he voted to impeach Bill Clinton for lesser offences, he will resign as governor.
BTW, Faux News is pulling the old trick of identifying a Republican caught with his pants down as a Democrat.
I join 'Marty' @ 9:07. I love watching the private laundry of the Clinton-impeachers hung from public lines. Now if only the SC legislature would haul Gov Sanford into a public docket and inquire:
How many times? What positions? In what room of the house? Was anything spilled on her clothes?
And if Gov Sanford should be reluctant to answer? Convict him of perjury!!! So that an honest election in which the people of SC chose him their governor could be overturned.
That is what Mark Sanford deserves!!!
As a love letter, that's pretty poor. His mistress should have dumped him long ago.
Like so many traditional marriage conservatives in the South, Gov. Sanford loved to grind his filthy boot into the face of committed gay relationships. It may be a "non sequitir", but I take great joy in the unmasking of this holier-than-thou prig. His hateful ways have truly come home to roost.
Don't politicians need the same sort of life skills workshops that the NHL and other sports leagues require their players to complete?
I'll say it one more time. Mark Sanford is no "hateful prig." I know the man. He is a decent, kind, intelligent family man and hard-working public servant who screwed up big time and knows it. A sinner who sinned on a grand scale in the public eye, and will probably pay the price of his career and possibly his family. Are there no more Christian readers on this blog? Is there no one here capable of forgiveness?
Matt: Like so many traditional marriage conservatives in the South, Gov. Sanford loved to grind his filthy boot into the face of committed gay relationships.
If that's the way you talk, I sure hope you have a fainting couch nearby. You got th' vapors, bubba.
Are there no more Christian readers on this blog? Is there no one here capable of forgiveness?
Is it really our job--as people not connected to the sin--to grant forgiveness?
And isn't this part of the process of shame: the public acknowledgment that shames people for doing bad things to themselves, their families, and the people who elected them. Isn't it Rod who has spoken about the necessity of "shame" that should accompany appalling behavior like this? Just like shaming slutty women and shaming teens who have sex, isn't it also necessary to shame adulterers, no matter how contrite and nice they seem?
I don't know Mark Sanford (and nothing I've heard so far makes me want to get to know him), and he may well be a decent, kind man.
However, as it turns out, he's in a very poor position to make moral judgments on other people, be these other people homosexuals or heterosexual adulterers. I bet he wishes he'd kept his mouth shut.
Is there a fast going on in the Orthodox Church right now? Cuz dang, Rod, you have reminded me of no one so much as Pentheus this week. You seem to be spending a lot of time going into great detail about the nasty, disgusting, filthy details of what other people get up to.
MargaretE, I think you're making a big mistake in believing that a man can be a "decent, kind . . . family man" while lying to those who trust him and cheating on those he supposedly loves best. An affair that goes on for more than a year is not a teensy, weensy mistake like forgetting to take out the garbage. He left his family alone on Father's Day so he could hang out with his girlfriend in Argentina. What about that seems decent to you? Supposedly, his wife found out about this five months ago. If he were a decent, kind man, he could have behaved honestly from that point on and brought this to a discreet resolution--either by admitting he longer wanted to be married and asking for a divorce, or by ending the affair. Instead, he indulged in bizarre behavior that exposed his long-suffering wife to public humiliation. What about that seems kind to you? He had half a year or more to make choices that put his family first. Instead, he put himself first.
It's entirely possible that he has serious personal dysfunctions of some kind that make it impossible for him to exercise good judgment. That isn't a moral failing, but a psychological one. However, if that's true, then the decent, kind thing to do is get himself into therapy and deal with it before he does any more damage to people who unfortunately trusted him to a be a mature, competent human being when he wasn't one. Glossing over his failings by calling for "forgiveness" isn't going to help anyone.
Someone here on another thread - I think it was Susan Peterson - wrote a long, pretty fantastic, pretty unrealistic view of how society should be organized, in her view. It involved gay men marrying women and having families, among other things, and also involved the idea that well, if you don't get to realize your true sexual desires, too bad, there are more important things in this life.
Without getting all the way on board with Ms. Peterson (if that's who it was) I think adults realize that one's sexual desires and preferences, while important, are not to be made gods. Although I strongly disagree with the idea that gay men should be more or less forced to marry women (and I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the unfortunate women on the other end of that one!) there is a germ of truth in what she is saying.
Take Mark Sanford. Let us assume that his marriage wasn't "working" for him, sexually or otherwise. Let us further assume that he really was/is in love with Ms. Argentina, and that that relationship helped him grow as a person in a way that his marriage didn't.
So what.
As sigaliris points out, the man had other obligations which should have trumped such considerations. There's his wife. Then, there are his four boys. There's nothing kind or decent about this behavior, and as sigaliris also mentions, this wasn't just a little glitch, you know, this was an affair that went on for a year. And so forth.
How much unkind, indecent behavior does a man have to exhibit before we admit that he is not, in fact, either "kind" or "decent?"
Forgiveness is not ours to grant, because he has not damaged any of us. (In a way he's done us all a favor, by displaying his character in living color before we foolishly elected him to higher office.) He has damaged and humiliated his wife, and betrayed her and his children. They are all going to have to work this out; it is not our business.
There can be no healing without repentance, and no true repentance without authentic contrition.
Someone should apologize for re-publishing private correspondence.
Puts recent posts about debasing the culture into perspective, doesn't it?
If that's the way you talk, I sure hope you have a fainting couch nearby. You got th' vapors, bubba.
Considering how quick you are to scream bloody murder anytime you're offended by something only minimally related to your life and family, you might refrain from criticizing people whose lives are directly affected by the political actions of morally corrupt leaders of family values conservatism.
If anyone's home should have a fainting couch, it's yours. Several of them, in fact.
"Is it really our job--as people not connected to the sin--to grant forgiveness?" Michael
TR: Well maybe not, but I think there is something unhealthy in Dreher's need to call people filth or unworthy of their children or whatever. Do people not involved really have an ability to make those kinds of judgments?
The blog of late is becoming a litany of "worst people in the world" which I find potentially unnerving. If he is fasting, I'm tempted to think fasting is making him cranky and he should take a break for awhile.
For clarity I meant a break from blogging, not fasting. Fasting being part of his faith and all.
Hee hee. I rather like BobN's idea of the house provided with many fainting couches, for the sake of convenience. There would have to be one wherever the outside world might intrude--in front of the TV, for sure, but possibly out in the kitchen, if there's a kitchen radio, and perhaps one located in the foyer, for use when the mail or newspapers arrive! To preserve proper gender distinctions and discourage homosexuality and feminism, one would also need gender-specific fainting couches. The patriarchal fainting couch would have to be a stern navy blue, with butch mahogany framing and perhaps a manly monogram, while the ladies' couches could be pink and frilly. The ladies might make their shock and horror known with a treble-pitched "ooh la la," while the patriarchs would faint with a masculine "OOF!" Some enterprising soul could sell family fainting couches through Vision Forum or some similar "family values" online giftshop.
Cranky appears to be part of his faith, as well.
(Yes, I'm teasing.)
TR: Well maybe not, but I think there is something unhealthy in Dreher's need to call people filth or unworthy of their children or whatever. Do people not involved really have an ability to make those kinds of judgments?
His blog, his judgement. This is what you DO on your blog. You don't have to buy his judgements (I usually don't)
1. How soon before "Evita" turns up in Playboy or Penthouse?
2. How soon before Mark Sanford is a "correspondant" on Faux News? Oh yeah, probably never. They now claim he is a Democrat.
There is one aspect of this sad story that bothers me: How did these personal e-mails become public? Who was able to access them and make them public? Sorry, but whoever is responsible for disseminating them to the media is simply sleazy!
"His blog, his judgement."
TR: My comment, my judgment.
My life experience has shown most all men are vulnerable & are not the aggressors in a hetero-sexual relationship. BUT if they are in a position to cheat with little fear of being "found out" they readily succumb to temptation.
I blame the mistress. A woman knows when a man is interested and she has the power to turn it on or turn it off. The mistress obviously knew he was married and easily could have "turned it off".
With these love mails it seems Sanford attempted to justify the illicit relationship by trying to portray the affair as "romantic love".
Sad as it is for me to admit (as I am a staunch Republican conservative with warm fuzzy feelings for SC Republicans)--Sanford has to go. He made a very bad decision & is not worthy of a position of power. Sanford displayed one vulnerability; who knows how many more there are?
And by the way I'm getting quite weary of people cutting down FOX News, just like I tuned out the people cutting down Michael Jackson years ago. I put them in the same category as the folks in Minnesota who voted for Al Franken.
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