Crunchy Con

On Iran, GOP leadership bankrupt

Friday June 19, 2009

Categories: Iran

Daniel Larison speaks truth:

One reason why Cantor and Pence have been demanding that the President take a stronger public line in support of the protesters in Iran is that supporting Mousavi's voters openly is the emotionally satisfying, easy, almost mindless thing to do, so it is very appealing for opposition figures who have no ideas. But there is more to it than that. All of this comes back to the problem of Republican denial about why they lost power. They are supremely confident about their views on national security and foreign policy, and they cannot conceive that a majority of the country would reject them because of the policies they advocated and enacted. Worse still, they remain wedded to the hectoring, moralistic and aggressive approach of the last administration, in which sanctions and condemnation are the only "soft" tools they understand. They are so wedded to this approach that that they think this is not only the best kind of foreign policy, but that anything other than this is fecklessness and surrender.

This impulsively Romantic habit of mind that many (most?) conservatives have is deeply irritating, and deeply irresponsible. I remember arguing with a Republican friend about democracy in Iraq. Every prudent objection I'd make about the difficulty, even the folly, of trying to impose liberal democracy on a country with no history of it was met with some version of, "So you don't think Iraqis are good enough for democracy?" The simplistic point was that to draw prudent, realistic conclusions about the possibilities of what might be accomplished in Iraq was to reveal one's moral cowardice, and even one's racism. This kind of emotionalism makes a rational debate about policy difficult, and even impossible. It's the equivalent of shouting "Racism!" to shut down a debate about affirmative action.

It's a form of moral vanity, to indulge oneself in public displays of solidarity, without regard to the consequences. It takes a special kind of self-regard to think that the cause of the Iranian protesters will be advanced by the leadership class of the United States endorsing them and rallying to their side. The best thing we can do for those brave people is for our leaders to keep their mouths shut. It's at a time like this that I'm grateful we don't have swashbuckling John McCain as president.

UPDATE: Marc Ambinder, on Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei's blustery, defiant speech today, blaming the West for Iran's turmoil:

[T]he millions of protesters know whether the U.S. is meddling or not. If they're not and Khamenei says they are, he's not credible -- even less credible. If they are, and Khamenei says they are, then he's correct. And anger might well turn toward the United States.

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InfoGeek
June 20, 2009 2:35 PM

@Hector June 19, 2009 3:54 PM: Please read carefully. I'm not viewing this event from a neo-conservative, or a neo-Marxist perspective. Nowhere in my posts do I "insist that liberal democracy is the right system for every country in the world". I've been talking about Iran.

Let me say it again. Clearly. The people of Iran (not the US, not the West) wanted a real choice in their election, and what they got was a rigged game. They chose to protest and are being brutalized and murdered for it.

If you think that self-determination = liberal democracy, and the Iranian people want the right of true self-determination, why shouldn't they have it? In 1979, their fathers chose the regime that is now murdering their sons & daughters. Now, they may wish to unmake that choice. Who gets to decide what system they choose to embrace? You? Me? Obama? Daniel Ortega? No.

I need to move on from this discussion now; but in parting I would encourage you to list for yourself "the ideals of the Iranian [Cuban,Nicaraguan, etc.] revolution (and there was quite a lot that was good..)" that haven't in practice resulted in the actual brutalization, suppression of dissent, and religious persecution of the people who initially supported those revolutions. If you haven't already done so, please read "Against All Hope" by Armando Valladares to see what those becomes of revolutions when self-appointed champions of the poor gain the upper hand.

The society that you say you want for Iran... "a kinder, gentler, more liberal society" isn't going to come about if the oppressors controlling the riot police in Tehran win. The pendulum will swing further in the direction of repression and economic privation for all the people of Iran. I pray that doesn't happen.

Joseph D'Hippolito
June 20, 2009 2:45 PM

Since this is ostensibly a religous blog, why don't we encourage people to pray for the ultimate success of the demonstrators and the disintegration of the Iranian dictatorship? It's becoming apparent that not even Moussavi can control those who protest in his name. They seem to want something more than another theocrat.

You know, I now know why such "conservative" publications as "The American Conservative" are lukewarm about the events in Iran. Such "conservatives" view *any* religious government -- even evil ones -- as reflecting their true ideals: hierarchy, faith at any cost (even if the cost is individual liberty) and opposition to Israel (if not to Jews as a whole). This is the *true* "conservatism" spouted by Buchanan, Larisson, et al.

Rod, the fact that you have gotten in bed with these fellows does not speak well for your judgement. You don't have to be a "neo-con" (if that phrase has any meaning anymore) to understand that what's happening in Iran has profound implications, especially concerning the Islamist imperialism that Iran has fomented for more than a quarter-century.

Athanasius
June 20, 2009 7:13 PM

Your name wrote: "I agree that it would be foolish and counterproductive to "impose democracy", but shouldn't we at least use language that lets the protestors know that we empathize with their plight rather than the plight of Iran's illegitimate ruling class?"

Puh-leeze, with something akin to "I feel your pain?" If the protestors in Iran need an agony aunt, best for them just to phone it in to Oprah.

Reality
June 21, 2009 12:30 AM

After reading all of these comments, I believe now is a good time to point out we have American troops on both sides of Iran-i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan. We are presently undermanned in protracted conflict. And assuming there is civil war in Iran, there is absolutely no way we can militarily intervene.

Neo Politicus
June 22, 2009 2:18 AM
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Even a Liberal couldn't be more of a hypocrite. @obamas_mind

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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