How should Megan and Peter marry?
Here's some happy news: Peter Suderman and Megan McArdle, two of the best bloggers around, are getting married. Mazel tov! Many years! They've now got to figure out how to get married affordably. Any advice? I have only a broad...
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Twenty three years and a couple of months ago, a wonderful young lady and I managed to get a long weekend off work, and we got married on Sunday, in a local park. Just our immediate friends and family.
We were so broke that our marriage license cost us all we had. We've had our wonderful moments and those low times that tried our souls, but we're still committed to those promises we made back then.
I have little advice, except to say... How you get married, and how you celebrate is almost unimportant to your future. What will count is your dedication, devotion to your promises, and whether you let God keep those promises in your heart for you. And never look back.
I got married last fall. We spent about $6K on the wedding. If you belong to a church, then a good way to save money is to use their facilities (if they have anything) for the reception. Of course the irony is that the least expensive part of the wedding is the actual ceremony itself!
We had our reception at the church. We saved money by doing without a band or DJ. We served wine, champagne and hors dourves instead of a sit down meal.
I bought my dress and the bridesmaids dresses at David's. I spent more on alterations than I did on the dress itself. David's has some pretty simple and decent choices.
My main advice is to get recommendations for caterers, photographers and florists from people at your church. If they've done other weddings at your church it will make things easier since they'll know its limitations, rules, whatever before you start. We found a photographer who charged by the hour and produced all of the photos on a CD instead of forcing us to buy overly expensive packages.
Basically don't buy into the idea that you have to spend a huge amount of money. You don't need a fancy over the top reception with dinner and dancing because that will at least triple the cost of the wedding. Although in some families this is seen as being obligatory and a wedding is ultimately about more than just the bride and groom. I grew up in the southwest and our weddings aren't anywhere near as fancy as weddings in the north.
I just absolutely refused to spend a huge amount of money on my wedding. I hate the whole 'bridezilla' The Knot thing that said that it was "my day" and that the whole day had to revolve around me and impressing everyone.
Ultimately you want the wedding to be beautiful and enjoyable for your guests but it's just silly to bankrupt yourself or your family. I always said I'd rather have the money for a downpayment on a house or to pay for a once in a lifetime honeymoon than to feed a bunch of people I don't know that well banquet chicken.
Small wedding. Close relatives and a couple very close friends only. You can't have an inexpensive big wedding. And if you keep it very small, it's a lot easier to explain to distant cousins and co-workers/colleagues that they weren't invited.
Get an antique wedding dress (beautiful, elegant, inexpensive). Use this is an excuse to get the groom a tailored suit and shirt (or two) he can wear for years. Have a sit down meal with one choice (something you like) and wine served by the waiters (a glass or two a person). Wedding cakes tend to be both expensive and a lot prettier than they are tasty (fondant, blech!), so instead get several interesting cakes that you like (this also lets you have something special for the parents of the groom and bride). Have a soloist play music on whatever instrument you enjoy hearing most. Don't have a blowout honeymoon, either. Save the money for a house or keep a financial cushion. A financial cushion can decrease the stress on a young marriage.
Have as big a party as you want.
The biggest expense may be where to have it. Indoors can be expensive, some churches rent out pretty inexpensively. Be creative - does a relative/close friend (r/cf) have a country place? Spring for a large event tent in case the weather turns south on you.
Catered food that you or friends pick up will be the most inexpensive. Maybe a r/cf is big on BBQing. Spend as much or as little on clothes, flowers (should a f/cr volunteer accept), music, and photog as you want.
Do pay for 2-3 reliable people to help with the set up AND take care of the clean up.
What really is important is that whoever you invite should have a good time and be appropriately wined, dined, and 'entertained'.
In January, 2008, I married after being widowed. The Groom and I are in our Fifties... We didn't want to spend a lot of money, but we wanted something to reflect the joy we felt at finding each other.
Evening Wedding. Dessert Reception. Cookies and Milk for the GrandBabies. Coffee bar, Champagne, Assorted Teas. Lots of pastries and cakes and fruits. Chocolate Fountain with pretzels, strawberries, pound cake bites, sugar cookies. The reception was at a tony country club during the month they are closed; we convinced the manager to leave the Christmas decorations up an extra week. That saved us some cash right there. Florist was local plus bay-leaf wreaths and other materials from Williams-Sonoma.
The Wedding was at my Home Church. Simple music. Since I'm a musician, I got friends to contribute. No program. Invitations were our own design and ordered through the local stationary place. My late Father was a lithographer who owned his own business, so I knew what to do (I also remembered from when I had done this 30-odd years before). My Daughter was my Matron of Honour. She and her Husband helped A LOT...even though she was 8-months pregnant (GrandBaby was born two weeks after the Wedding!).
We road-tripped across the Country from Ohio to Oregon and had a wonderful time in the snowy cold. Lots of great small hotels with fireplaces and chocolates on the pillow. Lots of conversations for us and the chance to get away from our very hectic three month courtship (with 6 kids, their spouses, and 5 GrandChildren).
I hired the apprentice Son of my Best Friend (and his new Wife) to take pictures and they turned out gorgeous. All-in-all we did the whole thing, including clothes and shoes and hair and princess perks for under $5000.00. My Daughters Wedding, which was a complete blow-out, cost just a bit more using the same caterer (different venue), a live jazz band, same Church, same friends, a photo-journalist prof from her alma mater, same musicians, same stationer (different invitations), same floral ideas, beautiful dress... for around $12,000.
It CAN be done. It can be personal. It can be cost-effective.
Think creative; outside the box. :)
Seriously? When I married my husband almost 14 years ago we spent about $1000 total. That includes the rings! I still have my $70 outfit that I bought but the shoes I have given away. You don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want too. It is about the marriage journey, not the day you get married.
And we are still in love - even though many said it would never last. We had not known each all that long. If you are willing to grow with one another then you have the grounds for a great marriage.
Grab your best outfits, go to your pastor/rabbi/court judge and just do it. The rest of your lives are waiting....
What can I say that has not already been echoed here? Small wedding, family and friends, and do something really special for the honeymoon. Europe is a nice idea, so is Australia. An Alaskan cruise has always been a dream of mine. But the most important part of it is to make it something memorable, something you can look back on in 30, 40 or 50 years and still get a warm smile from.
Good luck, best wishes, and enjoy your new life together.
Saving money for a wedding is deciding what you can do without. We decided no alcohol, even though my father was willing to pay for it. That turned a 6-8 hour reception into a two hour reception. We rented a shelter in a public park for $50 for the reception. We offered ham sandwiches for lunch. With the wedding cake, I think it was about $600. Flowers were $600. Those can get expensive real quick. My suit was about a $100 rental. My wife's dress I think was $1200. She did her own alterations. I think we had 600 invited guests and somewhere around 400 came.
And for a less expensive honeymoon, try a modest bed and breakfast a little off the beaten path someplace where you will enjoy the weather that time of year. There are lots of pretty parts of this country that aren't all that expensive. The point is to celebrate your new life together. A couple thousand more to make two weeks better could also be spent making your new home a more livable place for years (or give you a little more financial cushion if someone loses their job).
If it's supposed to be a romantic get-away honeymoon, I'd head somewhere quiet, a town with no cars and some opportunities for outdoor activities like hiking or skiing. Cinque Terre in Italy or one of the car-less low-key towns in the Alps. If you prefer touring, then as Rod mentioned, Southern Europe is pretty nice later in the year, say Rome or Athens. And, if you prefer something more varied, active, and summery, flights to Australia are really, really cheap these days.
Random tidbits from my daughter, who took two years to plan her wedding and just witnessed her sister-in-law's marriage go after just six months to arrange it. Having been present for both, I offer my own take on her observations.
-- Acquire a personal relationship with the vendors. You get a better feel for the level of service they will provide, and you know right away who to call if something goes wrong. They, OTOH, get the feeling that they are doing business with people rather than just customers. And no, I don't mean make them your friends. There's no better boost to confidence when the baker (for example) breaks into a warm smile when you walk into her shop to change your mind yet again on some detail.
-- Be prepared to say "Sure! Will you pay for it?" to anyone's "helpful" suggestions.
-- Don't wait for the helpful suggestions. Solicit advice in those areas where you may have doubts, and make sure the contributors know you are not obligated to take their advice. The ones who will be most helpful will understand that without being told.
-- A suggestion for the bride's maids attire: pick a color or pattern, then let each woman find a dress design that best suits her figure and personal taste. They will be much happier paying for their own dresses when they will already be thinking about where else they can wear them.
I know people say that small weddings can be just as fun as large, expensive ones. But in my experience the larger, more expensive weddings are not only more fun, but also feel more gratifying and poignant.
I do think it's more important to have a large wedding than an expensive one. I know those two go hand in hand, but it is possible to be creative and cut expenses...just try not to cut expenses by cutting people out.
IMHO, it's important to have a traditional wedding and be married in front of a lot of people.
If you do end up going with a caterer, a piece of advice: see if you can find one that does "picnic" or "barbecue" caters. We were able to do our reception (On the fourth of July!) for 6 dollars a plate by doing a burgers & brats BBQ. We also did a "drink ticket" system - we put two tickets for free drinks in the program, and beyond that, it was a cash bar. It was fiscally responsible, but more importantly, we felt it was wise to limit the flow of alcohol to a certain extent. A lot of people didn't use theirs, so I don't think anyone spent much on drinks, but we also didn't feel like there was an unstoppable flow of booze.
Do bloggers live-blog their weddings?
My wife and I got married in the early afternoon (rates are somewhat cheaper) and then took a great honeymoon in Nova Scotia.
My wedding cost around $1,000. We did have a lot of guests (about 400, I think) but we had a loving church family and friends who pitched in and volunteered time, food, and other supplies. A friend who decorated cakes made the cake; a caterer friend helped prepare the food and loaned us silver serving pieces; yet another was good at flower arranging and helped make buttoniers and bridesmaid's bouquets. (I pre-ordered my flowers from Sam's Club, but they ordered for the wrong day, so I had to be flexible and work with what they had available.)
I bought fabric and had a local (CHEAP) dressmaker make an uncomplicated gown and veil. I bought my shoes on clearance. I got my bridesmaid's dresses inexpensively since I chose a simple style that could be worn again, if they chose. We borrowed most of our decorations, and kept them very understated.
Another friend took pictures. They were not professional quality, but still very nice. (Incidentally this friend unexpectedly passed away a couple years later and I treasure my wedding photos even more because they make me think of his kindness.) One of my bridesmaid's mothers saw that I was in over my head and volunteered to be my coordinator. She was very low-key but very helpful about making sure the details came together.
In retrospect we could have saved even more time and effort by just having a cake and punch reception, since simplicity was our goal anyway. There was so much food left over!
I did cut corners in a couple areas that I would not cut corners on today, mainly out of ignorance. (I was the first of my group of friends to marry and I really was naive.) I didn't get my bridesmaids, flower girls, or coordinator a gift, which I greatly regret. I just didn't know that was supposed to be done, but I feel that I should have thought of it anyway. Also, I am not sure what kind of honorarium the minister and musicians received. They were dear personal friends and performed the ceremony and music as such, but I do wish I had double checked to make sure that they received an appropriate financial gift. Being a pastor's wife now, I think of those things!
We got married, fed 20 out-of-town guests three meals, had a reception for 350, and took our honeymoon for a grand total of only $1400.
Things I would do again:
Marry in the mid-morning. You can get away with coffee and cake and whatever else is regional (here, nuts and creamy mint candies) and save a bundle.
Get a small layered wedding cake but have lots of cheaper but same recipe sheet cakes in the back, already sliced & on plates for serving.
Splurge on GOOD coffee and tea -- no cheap stuff.
Limit your wedding party to one witness each.
Fuss less about your clothes and hair (I wore my grandmother's dress and did my own hair; my husband wore a new Irish linen shirt topped with a 76 cent jacket from the Goodwill and rounded out with spectator shoes, also a Goodwill find).
Go ahead and spend the money on the professional photographer you want. Pictures can't be fixed after they are taken and moments are lost for good.
Get off the beaten path for your honeymoon -- it's cheaper and all you really want is to be alone, anyway. Drive, don't fly.
If you have a meal after the wedding (like we did, for out-of-town guests), take a cooler filled with leftovers and use that for one meal a day on your honeymoon.
What I do differently:
I'd marry in church instead of in a friend's backyard. My wedding looks a little too "hippy" and doesn't adequately reflect the serious nature of the vows we were taking.
I'd go ahead and invite everybody to the wedding and the reception, instead of having a family-only wedding and a reception for everybody (people were really mad at us).
I'd spent more money on shoes that were actually comfortable, since I was on my feet all day.
I would not have taken half the honeymoon alone with my new husband and half with a bunch of high school kids that we were taking on tour to a bunch of churches in a few different states (performing a musical for youth groups). But really, who would do that except us?
Elope.
And when you get back have a potluck with your favorite peeps.
I'd mostly echo what others have said so far, but I really, really want to concur with Sparki re: honeymoon. My husband and I went to the Outer Banks of North Carolina for our honeymoon, via car, taking our time getting there, and then visiting the various islands. We went off season so it was quiet (and probably a bit cheaper than usual, too).
Since we married in NC anyway, what was wrong with going somewhere small, local, old (relatively, anyway) and particular? :)
In all honesty, I think that being realistic about one's wedding from a cost perspective goes hand-in-hand with being realistic about one's honeymoon. The lavish "wedding trip" of several weeks overseas isn't in a lot of people's budgets, and in our case we (especially me) didn't have enough banked "vacation time" at our jobs to take more than a week off for the wedding--which makes for a pretty hectic time if you're spending a large amount of that time just getting to your honeymoon destination.
Rod, welcome back to Texas--you must have brought the cooler weather with you! (Just wanted to be one of the dozens of annoying Texas residents who will say that to you over the next week.)
Do not get married in December unless you have done some thorough tax planning. I know: it's not romantic but we are being practical here, no?
On a more romantic note, I heartily agree with smaller and simpler is better. That includes the honeymoon.
Before everybody gets carried away with the whole frugal wedding thing, I just wanted to give one word of caution. Members of my rather large extended and Catholic family (I have close to 40 first cousins) wanted to do a wedding on the cheap and others sat them down and basically said, "a reception is something you do for the entire family, so don't think you can just fob us with some potluck in the church hall." They went ahead with their plans and the out-of-state family didn't even make the trip. The bridal shower was a disaster; aunts felt like the bride and groom were trying to make a profit by taking all these gifts but only doing a ceremony and brunch afterwards. It's been 3-4 years but everybody is talking again.
I given up. f-ing captcha.
Yeah, we had people not show up in intentionally when they realized we weren't holding a big party. Life goes on.
It may seem counterintuitive, but we found that hiring a wedding coordinator saved us money in the long run, though ours was by no means a wedding on the cheap. Most wedding coordinators have established relationships with vendors and are able to get substantial discounts (10-20%) that were unavailable to nonprofessionals. Not to mention that they have equipment and such that you often don't have to pay as much to rent.
I concur with the comment above that says don't skimp on the photographer. Weddings aren't just about nice pictures of the happy couple - they're a chance to get a nice picture of Grandma, or your parents, or all the cousins.
We were married during our lunch break from work at the magistrate. Then we went back to work. Saved a ton of money that way.
Sometime after that the priest at my inlaws' parish provided us the Church's blessing on a Saturday afternoon in between golfing and a real wedding. No fancy dress, no reception--we just wanted to be married.
Further to Boz, I might suggest that as free-market conservatives Megan and Peter might want to consider whether the popularity of the "big" wedding in American culture may serve some deeply rooted social functions in ways that are not immediately apparent, and as such they should be cautious about rejecting the idea out of hand as consumerist silliness.
In particular, "We wanted a small wedding" sounds less friendly if you say it as "We chose not to invite Aunt Helen from Seattle and lots of other family members who would have loved to get together for a big party and see everyone, because we never see them anyway and would rather spend the money on ourselves."
(Incidentally, this is certainly not to say that anyone should ever be made to feel bad for spending withing their means, which is something that people should always be understanding of.)
I would advise them that I and my harp(and spouse with flute and Irish whistles) are available for weddings and receptions at a reasonable rate ;)
How should they get married? This afternoon. At the Arlington County Courthouse.
No, I don't really care if they do or not. But seriously--this is supposed to be a blog that gets all judgmental and stern about societal trends re: cohabitation and/or delayed marriage. Suddenly we can't muster any criticism about two folks who have been shacked up for almost a year because, unlike blue-collar Wasilla types or drugged-out C-list celebrities, they are "our kind of people"?
Let's not get hypocritical here, people.
I don't like the idea of potlucking it unless people offer BEFORE you ask. If you are "inviting" "guests," those two words imply that you are not hiring them or charging them a fee of help or food for the occasion.
OTOH, there is nothing wrong with marrying in your own church (for those of fortunate to be part of churches that do not charge for facilities) having the reception somewhere cheap or free, and serving finger food and non-alcoholic drinks, if cost is a concern. You can entertain a lot of people cheaply that way. I enjoy a fancy wedding reception with a lovely dinner and flowing wine as much as the next person, but there is no OBLIGATION to provide such things. If we really believe that people's presence is what matters and not how grand a spectacle you make of your wedding, then it really shouldn't be THAT hard to actually act like it.
I like the comment about timing the wedding so that you can "get away" with less than a meal. I do think it's somewhat unfair to have your wedding at a time that leaves people wanting a meal, and then not provide it. But a mid-morning, very early afternoon, or late evening wedding can get around that. Although, it is hard for me to imagine a morning time that is not ridiculously early that will not have people wanting a solid lunch by the time the ceremony, pictures, and greetings are all done.
I agree that no couple should feel obligation to go beyond his or her means to have a big wedding, but I think Rod and some of the commenters are unnecessarily dismissive of the "big wedding." Ours was big, and it was a great time, a chance to get together with friends and family. Given how geographically dispersed and busy family and friends can be, weddings and funerals are just about the only time to reliably get people together. And weddings are much more fun.
Really, I couldn't be more stunned to see a traditionalist like Rod suggest that an extravagant vacation is more important than staging a big wedding feast. Just because the wedding-industrial complex has gotten out of hand is no reason to presume that the tradition itself is suspect.
Elope. Many Years!!!
Why should they get married at all? I mean, couldn't they use their wedding fund on a lawyer who can write up all kinds of legal documents (healthcare proxy, inheritance rights, etc.) which would almost give them some of the legal equivalents of a marriage without actuallt going through the rigorous process of getting a state-issued license. Why isn't that good enough for them?
But seriously, I applaud ALL marriages. They should do it small with only their immediate families and best friends. It should be a joyous day, filled with warm memories. Everything else should be secondary.
I'm with Rod on this. Small, low-cost wedding, and honeymoon off-season in Europe. A honeymoon in Europe is not necessarily an "extravagant vacation." A wedding is about having the right start to a lifetime together, not about entertaining other people. A long honeymoon in a wonderful place is a very good way to start a marriage -- much better than spending ridiculous sums of money on a big party.
I agree somewhat with John above. The whole idea of a big wedding doesn't have to be suspect. When I was planning our wedding 17 years ago I was praying about the expense and learned that it was okay to spend some $$ on this type of celebration. When the woman poured the extravagantly expensive perfume on Jesus' feet he didn't chastise her for the waste; in fact he seemed to encourage it. Of course a simple ceremony is fine if that's what one wants too!
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