The unstable Sarah Palin
John Podhoretz tells fellow conservatives an inconvenient truth: Last week, the day Palin made her bombshell announcement, Jonah Goldberg wrote her an open letter urging Palin to bone up on issues and become fluent before taking the big jump into...
I think Rich Lowry over at NRO has the right idea:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nzc0MzY3MWRjMjE1OTE0NmI1ZjYzYzQwMWY1ZTE5Njk=#more
Sarah Palin’s words served only to throw a tissue of rationalization over a calculated choice made in her personal self-interest. In all likelihood, Palin is going to embrace her political celebrity with gusto, freed from the burdens of the geographic isolation of the Alaska governorship and its (relative to national politics) petty distractions. Her decision wasn’t particularly public-spirited, but neither was it crazy. She has seen her opportunities, and she’s going to take them.
John E. -
You give both Lowry and Palin too much credit for planning and discernment.
Sort of like the words to the old song - How ya ginna keep em back on the farm after they've seen Paree?
Palin could remain as governor - facing an increasingly hostile legislature and the budget problems typical of the times and all the other tough things about governance- or she can go to the lower 48 - among her adoring fans - make money and garner adulation. Clear which she prefers.
Like Sanford, she is another one of those people we should ignore and move on to things that really matter.
I'm waiting for the Palin apologists to start showing up again with the "Palin is the most dignified politician EVAR! Why is the MSM going after her FAMILY?!" counter and going after Podhoretz for being a nasty stinking East-Coast elitist for blaspheming against Saint Sarah.
FWIW, whatever the trials and tribulations of single parenthood (and thank goodness Bristol can count on support from her parents), she's probably well rid of Johnston and his family. Classic example of why traditional responses to family crises aren't always the best ones.
"You give both Lowry and Palin too much credit for planning and discernment."
Isn't Lowry the guy who said he saw starbursts when Palin winked at the audience during the debate?
I argue, from the principle of giving others the benefit of the doubt, that she might need more time to get her family life in order and care for her unexpected and more needy youngest child at my blog today.
http://umbl0g.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-sarah-palin-insane.html
The cynic in me believes otherwise, but she really might have a born-again reason to quit her job to take care of her kids. I've seen women do it several times at my job. Why not her?
God is good
jpu
Classic example of why traditional responses to family crises aren't always the best ones.
In that the Palin's ditched the traditional preventitive of not allowing their daughter to go out unchaperoned, let alone with some trailer trash like Johnston, in the first place, that would be correct.
Oh, for eff's sake...were going to take as authoritative the pronouncement that Sarah Palin is unstable from a guy whose first marriage was numbered in weeks?
I mean, who knows, maybe it takes one to know one, but really.
K Street,
Even Johnny Pod can get one right every now and again. Do you really have an argument against what the man has said, or are you just going to shoot the messenger?
I have very low regard for for Sarah Palin. I think she's unintelligent, uninformed, nasty, and dishonest. But even I have a hard time holding her vicariously responsible for the failings of her daughter's former future mother-in-law.
It's ironic. For months, Palin has vaguely accused the liberal media of looking down on her for her socioeconomic background, yet now it's a conservative writer who explicitly makes the unfounded argument that Palin should be excluded from high office because she isn't of the right sort of people. There are lots of reasons to dislike Palin and to shudder with horror that she was ever allowed anywhere near the presidential line of succession. This isn't one of them.
How come we don't hear about Al Gore's son or Biden's daughter? Why does Sarah Palin's family reflect upon her and their family doesn't reflect of them?
While we are at it, why are we so focused on someone who lost the vice presidency, when the guy who won the vice presidency had to be corrected TWICE by his boss yesterday. Once on the economy and once on giving isreal a green light to attack Iran!!!
btw Rod, you deleted my previous post? Is there a reason why?
are you just going to shoot the messenger?
When a cretin like Podhoretz, who would be a obscure Newman from Seinfeld in real life if he hadn't sprung from Norm and Midge's loins, engages in yet another ad feminam screed against someone who's actually had to work(/I> for their laurels, then hell yes, I reach for my Browning.
J-Pod certainly does seem to have a problem with women who get their hands dirty in either flyover country or on the front lines of history (see e.g. Carroll, Jill).
...yet now it's a conservative writer who explicitly makes the unfounded argument that Palin should be excluded from high office because she isn't of the right sort of people.
No, he didn't say that. He said her family life is unstable, and it is. His point is that she should not seek higher office until her kids have settled down, maybe ten years down the road. That's common sense, and it's advice that would have served Palin well last August, if she'd even have been willing to listen.
Sarah Palin was the most prophetic. She knew Obama was a tax and spend socialist. Obama is not only palling around with Bill Ayers, but now he likes Hamas, Chavez, and world terrorists. North Korea is closer to nuclear armed missles aimed at Japan, South Korea, Hawaii and Alaska. Sarah Palin was more right about everything, foreign and domestic, the economy, and our national security, energy and simple morals than anyone on the national scene.
When gas prices rise, and Obama wants more taxes on gasoline, everyone will wish we had Sarah Palin in office. She understands oil, energy and economics. Meanwhile Obama wants to spend more money, he'll backrupt America before he finishes one term. The way to get out of a recession is not to destabilize the economy and straight jacket it with new regulations and government changes.
Sarah Palin or any woman could do better than Obama.
America doesn't elect experienced people, it elects communicators like Ronald Reagan an actor, Barack Obama an orator who reads telepromters, and will soon elect Sarah Palin, who worked as a sports caster. If you can talk, and communicate, we don't care about experience. Obama and Palin had equal experience. Palin can talk as well as Obama. The truth is we elect people with the values we like, if they can articulate the values. We know they'll hire some experts to run the country. It's like a mayor hiring a city manager to run the city. The mayor's experience doesn't matter, the mayor's ability to communicate does.
Palin simply lacks, in spades, what virtually all neo-conservatives lack these days. Gravitas, accomplishment, an education in the broadest sense, including travel and experience of foreign cultures. The ability to engage complexity in any issue or argument. An agenda that speaks to any issue beyond abortion, homophobia, reactionary militarism or the paranoia of the black helicopter crowd.
I reach for my Browning.
IOW, you're not going to respond to the argument.
I'm no fan of Sarah Palin. That said, who in world gives a mosquito fart about anything a self-important weasel named Podhoretz says about anything? The man has been proven wrong about every policy stance he's taken since Bush's first administration, first and foremost being his cheerleading for perpetual war in southwest Asia.
and the trolls are out again...yet another thread I shan't be following.
He said her family life is unstable, and it is. His point is that she should not seek higher office until her kids have settled down, maybe ten years down the road.
If that was his point, he has an odd way of supporting it. Even if Bristol and Levi had enjoyed a traditional courtship and were 5 years older than they actually are, Levi's mother could have been arrested for drug possession. If he wants to argue that it was irresponsible for the mother of a four month old special needs child, a 17 year old pregnant daughter, and two other kids at home to say yes to John McCain, he should make that argument. But the issue with Mrs. Johnston just seems like a Roger Clinton/Billy Carter type issue that would have been embarrassing but not at all disqualifying.
If I didn't already know this, Sarah Palin's decision to resign as Governor demonstrated to me that she is childish, irresponsible, and deeply unserious.
This resignation circus followed closely on the Palins' ridiculous dust-up with David Letterman. He told a tasteless joke, the point of which was that Sarah Palin did not seem to be in control of her children, and was accused by the Palins' of advocating rape of their 14-year old daughter. That reaction was enough for me to say, "These people are bad news."
She is not an adult.
How does it go? Something like "Blessed are those who believe though they have not seen"? So we who inspite of everything still like and admire the lady must be very blessed indeed. Until things clarify all we can do is be stoic, smile and console ourselves with the reflection that for somebody so dead and over hill as Sarah Palin they're sure talking about her an awful lot.
Meanwhile, in Russia, President Barack Obama skipped out on an opportunity to dine with Russian leaders to have dinner with Michelle and the kids instead, has seemed tired and has mispronounced names, said he met his wife in school instead of at the law firm, and gave the wrong age for one of his daughters, as reported by that shamelessly right-wing rag known as the "New York Times."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08moscow.html
We now return to the discussion of Sarah Palin and her foibles.
Re: One reason to be oddly grateful for the loss of John McCain in November is the question of what it would have been like to have Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin get married, and then have the Vice President's machetenesteh (the great Yiddish word for "my child's mother in law") busted for running a meth lab drugs, as Levi's mother was.
While I am not a Sarah Palin fan, I do think it's unfair to criticize people for the misdeeds of their inlaws, or even their blood kin with the possible exception of spouses and minor childen. I have a family of cousins who practically have a jail wing named after them in Pinellas Co Florida, with misdeeds ranging from domestic violence to burglary to drug selling. If I ever ran for public office I should hate to have to answer for their crimes.
And I wish we'd give Ms Palin a rest now. It's almost as if Rod's blog has caught Palinitis from Andrew Sullivan's, whom I cannot stand reading when he gets in one of his obsessive modes.
But much of the GOP base is itself unstable, so it may be a perfect fit.
John, I agree with you. There are many, MANY things that make me shudder at the thought of Sarah Palin ever getting close to the presidency, but her personal life/family is not one of them. It seems a little unfair (and myopic) to claim that Levi's mum, or Bristol's goings-on, would impede Palin from doing good work as a politician. More likely obstacles are those we've all already gone through ad nauseum: inability to articulate her thoughts, narcissism, deceit, obsession with the media, seeming lack of interest in the real complexities of just about any and every important issue that faces our country today.
Erin, are you comparing Obama and Palin? Have you read the David Brooks column on dignity today? Rod just wrote about it. If you're indeed asserting that Obama's "mistakes" (as you list above) are in any way comparable to Palin's public antics over the last 10 months, I think that Brooks column is a fine retort.
No, Maeb, I'm just wondering why so many people care so much about the antics of the soon-to-be former Governor of Alaska, and so little about what the President has been up to in Russia. Tis a puzzlement, so to speak.
Obama's making a few inconsequential verbal mistakes because he's tired hardly parallels Pagin's shennanigans.
Re-reading this thread above: My first thought:
And yet only yesterday Rod diagramed how Sarah Palin may, by default, become the GOP's 'social conservative' standard bearer. Which begs the question...now as when when I read that earlier thread...what kind of hybrid ideological dinosaur are you trying to clone here? If outgoing Governor Palin is at this point the great hope, it's highly questionable if the 'cause' can be, at this point, clearly drawn for many beyond the narrowing base.
I'm just wondering why so many people care so much about the antics of the soon-to-be former Governor of Alaska, and so little about what the President has been up to in Russia. Tis a puzzlement, so to speak.
Because the soon-to-be former Governor of Alaska's history of lies and quitting when she gets bored is a fascinating personal story, especially given the defensiveness she creates among her supporters.
There's tons of coverage of Obama doing his job, reaching agreements, and doing the the country's business. It just isn't as mesmerizing as Gov. "I'm quitting again because people are mean to me."
Erin: "No, Maeb, I'm just wondering why so many people care so much about the antics of the soon-to-be former Governor of Alaska, and so little about what the President has been up to in Russia. Tis a puzzlement, so to speak."
Maybe you should ask Rod. After all, Erin, he is the one who started this thread.
Well, speak for yourself, Davis.
I'm more interested in the country's business than anyone's particular pathology. Right now the disarmament agreements haven't gone as planned, there's some serious criticism of the health care plan from within Obama's own party, and the number of "dates" the Obamas have had both here and abroad (and the expense) have attracted some negative notice given the awful unemployment numbers (not to mention Joe Biden's admission that the stimulus isn't working). Those who are more interested in the Palin implosion than these sorts of things are, of course, free to fixate all they want on Sarah. Since nobody I know expects or even wants her to be a serious contender for the White House at this point, I find the fixation inexplicable, and a little silly.
Erin,
Well, I actually do find the whole Sarah Palin affair rather intriguing. She seems like a character sprung directly from the mind of Jonathan Franzen. I honestly can't wait to find out what La Palin's next media drop will be. And it seems to have SOMEWHAT more import to current affairs of our country than Michael Jackson's memorial service does. I don't have a great attention span so I have to chose my media spectacles wisely.
As for your assessment about what's going on with the Obamas…wow! That is just, really truly wacky to me. The newspapers this morning talked about Obama and Putin reaching a disarmament agreement, and the afternoon news included bits about the positive reception he's had from Russians--both of which I took to be rather good news; no one I know thinks the health care issue will be easy or perfectly resolvable, but everyone I've spoken to is darn glad that Obama (and the Republicans and Democrats in the senate) are trying to do something about it; I have NEVER heard the Obamas criticized for going out to dinner together (I even check fox news every once and a while--world net daily not so much) and, frankly, that particular criticism seems totally insane to me, coming from ANYONE (should they NOT patronize American businesses? Should they stay home every night and spend more of our taxes on the White House cook, instead?); and, finally, yeah, Joe Biden puts his foot in his mouth at every opportunity--but didn't we already know that, like, five years ago?
Listen to Palin's interview with Andrea Mitchell in which she refuses to rule out running for prez, and look at the USA Today/Gallup poll released today in which 72 percent of Republicans say they'd likely vote for her, and you should have no trouble understanding the continued interest, Erin.
As for me, I'm fascinated and disgusted by the religious right's continued defense of the indefensible.
Erin, just this afternoon there were indications in both the NYTimes and on NPR that the administration was making headway with hospitals in negotiating Medicare/Medicaid prices to help pay for health care reform. what paper are you reading?
Well, let's see, RSG. Here are a few of my sources:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090707-715907.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD999TQTG1
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Public-opinion-may-doom-Dems_-health-benefits-tax-7937674-50159057.html
I could find more if you need me to; the point is that the health care debate isn't smooth sailing--politicians on both sides of the aisle have expressed doubts about meeting their present self-imposed deadline, and the degree to which Americans on both sides of politics strongly dislike the "tax employer-provided health care to pay for universal coverage" proposal, a key provision in the Obama plan, seems to have taken some members of Congress completely by surprise, and yet this proposal is one that Obama so far seems unwilling to relinquish. Could end up being a deal-breaker, and not just on the Republican side.
So while I don't lay awake nights worrying that Sarah Palin might be planning to give a speech somewhere, I do worry about what's really going to happen in the aftermath of a health care bill once Congress passes one and Obama signs it. If employer-provided health care is taxable income under the new plan, then it's reasonable to expect that a significant number of those currently receiving employer-provided health care are going to sign up for the government plan instead--why should they be taxed for their health care when others aren't? But if tons of people sign up for the government plan, then a) there won't be enough tax revenue to pay for it and b) the costs could be a lot more than currently projected, leaving us with an expensive national health care program and no discernible way to pay for it.
But since this is all very much off-topic for this thread, I'll just conclude by pointing out that the same USA Today/Gallup Poll Ken mentions shows that 54% of all registered voters asked were either not too likely or not at all likely to vote for Palin. I suspect the continued interest in her at this point is simply the suspicion--or hope, if you're Andrew Sullivan--that we're watching yet another celebrity train wreck, and I stopped finding those amusing a long time ago.
Having your kid's potential mother-in-law get busted for drugs certainly isn't an ideal situation. But Algore's own kid (not his mother-in-law) apparently has many problems that have been played down. But harping on his problems bigtime like Palin's would not fit the MSM agenda. It's only okay to magnify republican candidate's problems, from what we've observed. Democrat kids---off limits. 14-year-old Republican daughters are fair game for rape jokes. It's apparently also okay to do SNL skits accusing their father of "doing those daughters". Why? Because they are republican. Double standard, anyone?
Ken, you may not remember that democrats defended Bill Clinton's affair daily, not apparently caring how silly they sounded. Some female reporter said she'd quite willingly drop down and service Mr. Bill "for all he's done for women". No matter that she sounded completely ridiculous. She didn't apparently care. Some democrat women actually cooed "It's so sweet that he found love!!" Completely dumb, but they didn't care. I don't see people defending Palin on any similar grounds. She upset the political establishment in Alaska by getting elected. That was enough to freak people out. How dare someone other than the "club" run this state??
Well, let's see, RSG. Here are a few of my sources:
online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090707-715907.html
www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD999TQTG1
washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Public-opinion-may-doom-Dems_-health-benefits-tax-7937674-50159057.html
I could find more if you need me to; the point is that the health care debate isn't smooth sailing--politicians on both sides of the aisle have expressed doubts about meeting their present self-imposed deadline, and the degree to which Americans on both sides of politics strongly dislike the "tax employer-provided health care to pay for universal coverage" proposal, a key provision in the Obama plan, seems to have taken some members of Congress completely by surprise, and yet this proposal is one that Obama so far seems unwilling to relinquish. Could end up being a deal-breaker, and not just on the Republican side.
So while I don't lay awake nights worrying that Sarah Palin might be planning to give a speech somewhere, I do worry about what's really going to happen in the aftermath of a health care bill once Congress passes one and Obama signs it. If employer-provided health care is taxable income under the new plan, then it's reasonable to expect that a significant number of those currently receiving employer-provided health care are going to sign up for the government plan instead--why should they be taxed for their health care when others aren't? But if tons of people sign up for the government plan, then a) there won't be enough tax revenue to pay for it and b) the costs could be a lot more than currently projected, leaving us with an expensive national health care program and no discernible way to pay for it.
But since this is all very much off-topic for this thread, I'll just conclude by pointing out that the same USA Today/Gallup Poll Ken mentions shows that 54% of all registered voters asked were either not too likely or not at all likely to vote for Palin. I suspect the continued interest in her at this point is simply the suspicion--or hope, if you're Andrew Sullivan--that we're watching yet another celebrity train wreck, and I stopped finding those amusing a long time ago.
Erin Manning's focus is in the right place (although I suspect that if we had a young Republican family in the White House we'd be hearing complaints about the President not being focused like a laser on diplomacy from the left and people on the right marveling about how well he or she balanced the needs of the family against those of the country and how this was setting a wonderful example for us all to learn from. Partisans are partisans).
I agree: Palin's political career is as dead as Michael Jackson (both artifacts, IMO, of the American obsession with celebrity), and it's time to focus on more important things. Let us hope that we aren't subjected to The Return of the Living Dead in either case.
Meanwhile, in Russia, President Barack Obama skipped out on an opportunity to dine with Russian leaders to have dinner with Michelle and the kids instead, has seemed tired and has mispronounced names, said he met his wife in school instead of at the law firm, and gave the wrong age for one of his daughters, as reported by that shamelessly right-wing rag known as the "New York Times."
Yep, people tolerate small mistakes. When those mistakes are exceptions rather than the rule, people look past them. When the mistakes become the rule, you're in trouble.
The article also shows something about the supposed MSM bias against Palin. You learned of Obama's mistakes from the NYT.
And back to Obama. Sometimes, you've just got to get away from work for an evening. Given what the story said, that seems like a smart decision. Spending a significant number of evenings to tend to his family is not exactly a sign of laziness. Yeah, there are problems. But what is Obama supposed to say to his wife and kids? "Sorry, I can't see you again until I've solved health care, the economy and missile defense?"
Michele, I remember the Clinton affair, no pun intended. Most Democrats wanted him to stay in office (I'm one who didn't), but few thought his dalliance was no big deal.
But what does this have to do the religious right's refusal to criticize Palin? I don't buy the idea that her critics are upset that she busted up the Alaskan political establishment: that was her appeal in the first place. There are more than enough reasons to oppose her.
As to Clinton, like many liberals, I thought his behavior was deplorable, but not impeachable.
Erin, I didn't say the health care was smooth sailing. The discussion seemed to be about whether he was making progress. And he's made some progress, whether you agree with it or not.
Obama seemed to be tired--making obvious verbal mistakes. So maybe it was truly responsible for him to have dinner with his wife and kids, recharging the batteries before the G-8, which is quite important, no?
Public defender's right. This is not about verbal mistakes and slip-ups on one occasion but a pattern of behavior by Sarah Palin day in and day out. She's not qualified to be president. Period.
As for me, I'm fascinated and disgusted by the religious right's continued defense of the indefensible.
While supporting Palin may be indefensible, Obama is seemingly doing his best to make America undefended.
Given a choice between Palin and Obama - i.e., between two unqualified-for-the-office-of-President persons/candidates - I am not surprised that many Americans would prefer the Barracuda to the serpent.
The thing about Clinton was not about the sex. It was about the perjury. And that's a crime. Bill got what he deserved.
How is Obama a serpent exactly?
Ken July 8, 2009 10:03 AM How is Obama a serpent exactly?
Charlie Chan say: "Serpent speak with forked tongue."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/
(However, it's too early to tell if he will break most of his promises, or only some of them; but some of the ones he's broken are/were important ones.)
Politics is the art of the possible, and every politician promises more than they can deliver. What matters to me is if I think they're doing what they can, and I think it's clear Obama is, and not all promises can be fulfilled at once.
And to say that Obama and Ms. the-Department-of-Law would protect me are equally qualified/unqualified for the job strikes me as absurd.
Someone please direct me to why Palin is unintelligent and nasty? I read a little here and there and for the most part all I get is MSM stating she is the worst person ever and then Fox News stating she is the coming of Christ. Someone please tell me where to find the real Palin. From what I have seen, she is a honest person but maybe I read Brietbart and Drudge too much.
Mrs. Damian, google
palin new republic barracuda,
palin vanity fair purdham,
palin andrew sullivan 12 lies, and
palin, huffington post, cancer, b . . . " (five letter nasty word)
(The b . . . . is not a reference to Palin).
Palin is a clown and has no business being part of any government with her kooky, ignorant and racist views. It's still blows my mind that she was ever even asked to run for VP. McCain must have been smoking Levi's mom's crack!
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