[Nota bene: I took down the post that was here. I put it up in a "same planet, different worlds" spirit, but on re-reading it, the thing is just too vile to enjoy, however ironically. Sorry. -- RD]...
The story itself is not so disturbing, as there are going to be nuts like this no matter what. What is much more disturbing is that a pro-Obama site like HP thinks that this viewpoint is worth trumpeting.
Observer
August 13, 2009 1:07 PM
For some people, anything is an excuse to smoke week and have sex, and if they don't have an excuse they'll go ahead and do it all anyway.
I have nothing whatever against weed or sex or the two together. I just don't want necessarily to hear the gory details of anyone else's experience with either one.
John E - Agn Stoic
August 13, 2009 1:27 PM
Well...that was edifying...
TTT
August 13, 2009 1:33 PM
Apart from the TMI factor, I'm not sure what the problem with this is supposed to be. Where do people think "baby booms" come from?
thomas tucker
August 13, 2009 1:39 PM
Honestly, I'm sorry I even clicked on this post.
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 1:43 PM
I guess I'm just a sentimental fool, because I find both this story (the "TMI factor" aside) and the outrage of the "teenage illiterates" on the Miley Cyrus thread kind of sweet. Even in these cynical times, young people still look up to their heroes and want to defend them, people of an age to get jaded can still find themselves inspired and hopeful for a better world, ex-'s can still be friends and old flames can sometimes be rekindled. Heartwarming.
Oh, but I know, there's sex involved, so really it's all a portent of doom for civilization and the end of everything good and true. Sorry for getting sidetracked for a minute there. Back to the Kulturkampf!
Hector
August 13, 2009 1:45 PM
Boy, that sounds like a lot more fun than my Election Night.
I never thought I would see a Crunchy Con post with this line, though:
"I felt like hope c*** on my t**s."
Polichinello
August 13, 2009 1:48 PM
Where do people think "baby booms" come from?
Not from that great fertility god in the White House apparently:
Obama baby boom turns out to be a bust
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32286000/ns/health-behavior/
TTT
August 13, 2009 2:00 PM
Obama's baby boom turns out to be a bust
Your own cited source says it's 4-and-a-half years too soon to judge:
Rodgers says he wouldn't be surprised to find out someday that the Obama election affected birth rates in specific groups like Democrats, Obama supporters, black communities or blue states. But Rodgers says we would need to look at birth rates far beyond August 2009, because it takes five to seven years of data for a change caused by a specific event to stand out from random ups and downs
Hector
August 13, 2009 2:04 PM
Charles Foster Kane,
I know what you mean.
Though, I just checked out Perez Hilton's blog to see where all the teenage illiterates are coming from. God, that place is a cesspit.
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 2:09 PM
I never thought I would see a Crunchy Con post with this line, though.....
Agreed, Hector. But then, did you ever think you'd see one of these threads feature a vigorous debate over whether a certain object was or was not a stripper pole?
Polichinello
August 13, 2009 2:09 PM
Your own cited source says it's 4-and-a-half years too soon to judge
Hopefully you're confused not just dishonest. We're talking about the Magickal Nite of Hope, C** and Fairy Dust.
The real question is whether all of this hope sex - at least, the heterosexual variety - will lead to a baby boom in August, nine months after Election Night, and perhaps again in October, nine months after the inauguration.
What Rodgers is talking about is a longer phenom stretching over months and years as a result of the presidency, not the specific election night.
But, hey, cheer up, tiger, maybe October will pay off for you.
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 2:14 PM
I just checked out Perez Hilton's blog to see where all the teenage illiterates are coming from. God, that place is a cesspit.
Thanks for doing that so I don't have to, Hec. I'll take your word on that one. :-p
Obviously you are both. What, do you think the famed "Baby Boomers" were ALL conceived on the exact night that Japan surrendered? Of course not, it was a long-term multi-year phenomenon exactly as Rodgers describes in the article. Learn to read your own sources all the way through before you cherry-pick just the sentences that rhyme with what the voices in your head were already saying.
rj
August 13, 2009 2:50 PM
I can recall some fooling around after the Giants won the Superbowl and the Yankees won the World Series (New York is very conducive to victory nookie, but that's beside the point). It turns out that happy leads to horny.
Elizabeth Anne
August 13, 2009 2:56 PM
Jeez, Rod, WHY? Need bleach... bleach for the eyes...
Lord Karth
August 13, 2009 4:18 PM
Have these people, at long and interminable last, NO dignity ? Have they lost all sense of privacy ? (If they are Baby Boomers, I know the answer to that one, but I will not go there. Yet.)
I'm sorry I clicked on this jump, Mr. Dreher. I needed the sight of that particular statement about as much as I needed a full bath in battery acid. Too much information, indeed.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 4:37 PM
I mean, *really* gross. You have been warned. This is what passes for sophisticated banter among a certain smart set.
Wow, you folks do live sheltered lives, don't you? First, that line is almost certainly not the speaker's idea of "sophisticated banter" -- probably more like neutral description. (Although again, I agree, more information than we really need.) Second, guess what, people have been "talking dirty" for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Probably ever since they learned to talk.
Of course, in order for it to BE dirty, and therefore effective in the minds of its speakers and listeners, the language has to be more explicit than what's normally heard in the public square. What do you think Ovid, or Rabelais, or the medieval chansons sounded like to their original audiences? Or the Song of Songs, for that matter? "My fragrance awakened the night ... Let my lover come into his garden and taste its delicious fruit." *Ahem.* Yeah, right, she means grapes or something.
I mean, this isn’t the Miley Cyrus thread – we’re all adults here, right?
stari_momak
August 13, 2009 5:23 PM
From the article's lead in:
Amy Sohn will join Esther Perel, Ian Kerner, Leonore Tiefer and Cory Silverberg for a conversation called "Sex in America: Can The Conversation Change?"
Ahh, nothing like putting together a demographically balanced panel to discuss 'America' .
M.B.
August 13, 2009 5:51 PM
Geez, where do you find this stuff?
Roland de Chanson
August 13, 2009 6:23 PM
I am not sure what the point is of Rod's excursion into Crunchy Porn except that he thinks it remarkable that Ellie evidently doesn't swallow.
CFK - I know exactly what Ovid, Rabelais, and the troubadours sounded like. And not a word of it resembled lupanarian banter. And while I am no expert in Biblical Hebrew, I would wager that the poet of the Song of Songs would hardly befoul his idyll of the sublime delights of cunnilingus with the sleazy bathos of bosomy onanism.
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 7:57 PM
Or possibly, Roland, those verses just didn't make it into the canon. The priestly redactors in those days may have held back some bits for themselves, ah, I mean for the theological edification of their flocks.
hattio
August 13, 2009 7:57 PM
Rod,
Just a point of contention. She doesn't say the sex was more pleasurable after Obama became president. As a matter of fact she says the sex wasn't all that memorable but it was comforting and comfortable.
Michele
August 13, 2009 8:12 PM
...and Ellie's story is what we're all supposed to aspire to? Smoking pot and saying smutty gross things to EX-boyfriends--and then having casual sex with said ex-boyfriend?
I'm amazed at how--as Rod calls them---the "smart set" isn't so smart. If this is all she aspires to then her life is, well, wanting. And she actually wanted the public to read this stuff?? Ellie, stop making my gender look bad.
Rob
August 13, 2009 8:21 PM
Why in heaven's name would someone ever have posted this?
stari_momak
August 13, 2009 8:37 PM
Chanson de Roland must be a talented individual. While I can fake me way in Catalan enough to order pan amb tomac and cafe amb llet, he apparently has both Russian and Provencal . Chestitam vam, Gosopodo.
I do have to agree with CFK, Rod and the crowd here make me feel like a wild and crazy guy. I've personally heard similar words. I woiuldn't put it on the internet, and in the cold light of day it is pretty gross, put I find it hard to believe that most stable couples haven't engaged in a little, shall we say, amateur Onanism.
Charles Foster Kane
August 13, 2009 11:15 PM
Rod and the crowd here make me feel like a wild and crazy guy.
Yeah, apparently not a lot of them get Cinemax.
Scott Lahti
August 14, 2009 4:19 AM
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/scott-lahti/
Just my luck - the one time since winter I drop back in to these here precincts, and the one post that would seem to be most after my depraved predilections - whose screen version appears to have been filmed some while ago under the nom de poon Titty Titty Bang Bang - gets pulled, as, apparently, was its male co-satr, er, star.
Oh, well. Time to return to the Athenæum - gone five minutes, and already the busts need dusting - though of a different kind, it would seem, than that glazing those of Our Lady of the Vanished (Huffington) Post, wot?
Hector
August 14, 2009 8:41 AM
Re: whose screen version appears to have been filmed some while ago under the nom de poon Titty Titty Bang Bang - gets pulled, as, apparently, was its male co-satr, er, star.
Oddly enough, Rod pulled the original post but not my verbatim quotation of it.
Roland de Chanson
August 14, 2009 10:45 AM
Hvala Vam mnogo za kompliment, stari momak. Vi ste takodje odličan linguista. (Hope my Croatian is understandable.)
My Catalan is almost non-existent, even my Occitan. I learned enough of the troubadour language to do a paper once in a French lit course.
However, I believe I have heard the expression: ejacula sobre las meves tetas. :-)
Still working on the extra-canonical Hebrew. ;-)
Charles Foster Kane
August 14, 2009 11:54 AM
I learned enough of the troubadour language to do a paper once in a French lit course.
Man, you're good. Despite three or four tries, I couldn't even manage to learn ordinary French. A pity, because French women seem unusually drawn to American intellectuals. Must strike them as some kind of oxymoronic novelty, like being half-man and half-goat. (Hmmm...... wonder if there's a name for such a creature.....)
Hector, what are you talking about? What was removed?
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The story itself is not so disturbing, as there are going to be nuts like this no matter what. What is much more disturbing is that a pro-Obama site like HP thinks that this viewpoint is worth trumpeting.
For some people, anything is an excuse to smoke week and have sex, and if they don't have an excuse they'll go ahead and do it all anyway.
I have nothing whatever against weed or sex or the two together. I just don't want necessarily to hear the gory details of anyone else's experience with either one.
Well...that was edifying...
Apart from the TMI factor, I'm not sure what the problem with this is supposed to be. Where do people think "baby booms" come from?
Honestly, I'm sorry I even clicked on this post.
I guess I'm just a sentimental fool, because I find both this story (the "TMI factor" aside) and the outrage of the "teenage illiterates" on the Miley Cyrus thread kind of sweet. Even in these cynical times, young people still look up to their heroes and want to defend them, people of an age to get jaded can still find themselves inspired and hopeful for a better world, ex-'s can still be friends and old flames can sometimes be rekindled. Heartwarming.
Oh, but I know, there's sex involved, so really it's all a portent of doom for civilization and the end of everything good and true. Sorry for getting sidetracked for a minute there. Back to the Kulturkampf!
Boy, that sounds like a lot more fun than my Election Night.
I never thought I would see a Crunchy Con post with this line, though:
"I felt like hope c*** on my t**s."
Where do people think "baby booms" come from?
Not from that great fertility god in the White House apparently:
Obama baby boom turns out to be a bust
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32286000/ns/health-behavior/
Obama's baby boom turns out to be a bust
Your own cited source says it's 4-and-a-half years too soon to judge:
Rodgers says he wouldn't be surprised to find out someday that the Obama election affected birth rates in specific groups like Democrats, Obama supporters, black communities or blue states. But Rodgers says we would need to look at birth rates far beyond August 2009, because it takes five to seven years of data for a change caused by a specific event to stand out from random ups and downs
Charles Foster Kane,
I know what you mean.
Though, I just checked out Perez Hilton's blog to see where all the teenage illiterates are coming from. God, that place is a cesspit.
I never thought I would see a Crunchy Con post with this line, though.....
Agreed, Hector. But then, did you ever think you'd see one of these threads feature a vigorous debate over whether a certain object was or was not a stripper pole?
Your own cited source says it's 4-and-a-half years too soon to judge
Hopefully you're confused not just dishonest. We're talking about the Magickal Nite of Hope, C** and Fairy Dust.
The real question is whether all of this hope sex - at least, the heterosexual variety - will lead to a baby boom in August, nine months after Election Night, and perhaps again in October, nine months after the inauguration.
What Rodgers is talking about is a longer phenom stretching over months and years as a result of the presidency, not the specific election night.
But, hey, cheer up, tiger, maybe October will pay off for you.
I just checked out Perez Hilton's blog to see where all the teenage illiterates are coming from. God, that place is a cesspit.
Thanks for doing that so I don't have to, Hec. I'll take your word on that one. :-p
Hi Rod--Wasn't sure if you saw this. Figured you might find it interesting if not: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/08/cheney-unloads-on-bush-.html Biting the hand that feeds? Never!
Hopefully you're confused not just dishonest.
Obviously you are both. What, do you think the famed "Baby Boomers" were ALL conceived on the exact night that Japan surrendered? Of course not, it was a long-term multi-year phenomenon exactly as Rodgers describes in the article. Learn to read your own sources all the way through before you cherry-pick just the sentences that rhyme with what the voices in your head were already saying.
I can recall some fooling around after the Giants won the Superbowl and the Yankees won the World Series (New York is very conducive to victory nookie, but that's beside the point). It turns out that happy leads to horny.
Jeez, Rod, WHY? Need bleach... bleach for the eyes...
Have these people, at long and interminable last, NO dignity ? Have they lost all sense of privacy ? (If they are Baby Boomers, I know the answer to that one, but I will not go there. Yet.)
I'm sorry I clicked on this jump, Mr. Dreher. I needed the sight of that particular statement about as much as I needed a full bath in battery acid. Too much information, indeed.
Your servant,
Lord Karth
I mean, *really* gross. You have been warned. This is what passes for sophisticated banter among a certain smart set.
Wow, you folks do live sheltered lives, don't you? First, that line is almost certainly not the speaker's idea of "sophisticated banter" -- probably more like neutral description. (Although again, I agree, more information than we really need.) Second, guess what, people have been "talking dirty" for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Probably ever since they learned to talk.
Of course, in order for it to BE dirty, and therefore effective in the minds of its speakers and listeners, the language has to be more explicit than what's normally heard in the public square. What do you think Ovid, or Rabelais, or the medieval chansons sounded like to their original audiences? Or the Song of Songs, for that matter? "My fragrance awakened the night ... Let my lover come into his garden and taste its delicious fruit." *Ahem.* Yeah, right, she means grapes or something.
I mean, this isn’t the Miley Cyrus thread – we’re all adults here, right?
From the article's lead in:
Amy Sohn will join Esther Perel, Ian Kerner, Leonore Tiefer and Cory Silverberg for a conversation called "Sex in America: Can The Conversation Change?"
Ahh, nothing like putting together a demographically balanced panel to discuss 'America' .
Geez, where do you find this stuff?
I am not sure what the point is of Rod's excursion into Crunchy Porn except that he thinks it remarkable that Ellie evidently doesn't swallow.
CFK - I know exactly what Ovid, Rabelais, and the troubadours sounded like. And not a word of it resembled lupanarian banter. And while I am no expert in Biblical Hebrew, I would wager that the poet of the Song of Songs would hardly befoul his idyll of the sublime delights of cunnilingus with the sleazy bathos of bosomy onanism.
Or possibly, Roland, those verses just didn't make it into the canon. The priestly redactors in those days may have held back some bits for themselves, ah, I mean for the theological edification of their flocks.
Rod,
Just a point of contention. She doesn't say the sex was more pleasurable after Obama became president. As a matter of fact she says the sex wasn't all that memorable but it was comforting and comfortable.
...and Ellie's story is what we're all supposed to aspire to? Smoking pot and saying smutty gross things to EX-boyfriends--and then having casual sex with said ex-boyfriend?
I'm amazed at how--as Rod calls them---the "smart set" isn't so smart. If this is all she aspires to then her life is, well, wanting. And she actually wanted the public to read this stuff?? Ellie, stop making my gender look bad.
Why in heaven's name would someone ever have posted this?
Chanson de Roland must be a talented individual. While I can fake me way in Catalan enough to order pan amb tomac and cafe amb llet, he apparently has both Russian and Provencal . Chestitam vam, Gosopodo.
I do have to agree with CFK, Rod and the crowd here make me feel like a wild and crazy guy. I've personally heard similar words. I woiuldn't put it on the internet, and in the cold light of day it is pretty gross, put I find it hard to believe that most stable couples haven't engaged in a little, shall we say, amateur Onanism.
Rod and the crowd here make me feel like a wild and crazy guy.
Yeah, apparently not a lot of them get Cinemax.
Just my luck - the one time since winter I drop back in to these here precincts, and the one post that would seem to be most after my depraved predilections - whose screen version appears to have been filmed some while ago under the nom de poon Titty Titty Bang Bang - gets pulled, as, apparently, was its male co-satr, er, star.
Oh, well. Time to return to the Athenæum - gone five minutes, and already the busts need dusting - though of a different kind, it would seem, than that glazing those of Our Lady of the Vanished (Huffington) Post, wot?
Re: whose screen version appears to have been filmed some while ago under the nom de poon Titty Titty Bang Bang - gets pulled, as, apparently, was its male co-satr, er, star.
Oddly enough, Rod pulled the original post but not my verbatim quotation of it.
Hvala Vam mnogo za kompliment, stari momak. Vi ste takodje odličan linguista. (Hope my Croatian is understandable.)
My Catalan is almost non-existent, even my Occitan. I learned enough of the troubadour language to do a paper once in a French lit course.
However, I believe I have heard the expression: ejacula sobre las meves tetas. :-)
Still working on the extra-canonical Hebrew. ;-)
I learned enough of the troubadour language to do a paper once in a French lit course.
Man, you're good. Despite three or four tries, I couldn't even manage to learn ordinary French. A pity, because French women seem unusually drawn to American intellectuals. Must strike them as some kind of oxymoronic novelty, like being half-man and half-goat. (Hmmm...... wonder if there's a name for such a creature.....)
Hector, what are you talking about? What was removed?
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