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Megachurch vs. Orthodox church

Saturday October 3, 2009

It's am amazing thing to be reading the morning NYTimes and see a photo of your friends. But that's what happened today: here's a story about Protestants moving to Orthodoxy, focusing on Holy Cross Antiochan Orthodox Church in suburban Baltimore. Excerpt:


So [Cal] Oren pulled to a stop, and as the children stayed in the car, the grown-ups gingerly padded into the sanctuary of Saints Peter and Paul Antiochian Orthodox Church. A lifelong Presbyterian, Mr. Oren knew virtually nothing about the Antiochians or, for that matter, Orthodox Christianity in general. He had always associated Ben Lomond with hippies, geodesic domes and marijuana fields.

As he entered, a vespers service was under way. Maybe two dozen worshipers stood, chanting psalms and hymns. Incense filled the dark air. Icons of apostles and saints hung on the walls. The ancientness and austerity stood at a time-warp remove from the evangelical circles in which Mr. Oren traveled, so modern, extroverted and assertively relevant.

"This was a Christianity I had never encountered before," said Mr. Oren, 55, a marketing consultant in commercial construction. "I was frozen in my tracks. I felt like I was in the actual presence of God, almost as if I was in heaven. And I'm not the kind of person who gets all woo-hoo."

The ineffable disclosure of that evening, a 15-minute glimpse into Byzantium, rattled everything certain in Mr. Oren's spiritual life. Even as he and his family kept attending a Presbyterian church near their home in suburban Baltimore, he stepped down as a ruling elder and Bible-study instructor. In 1995, he attended his first service at Holy Cross, an Antiochian church here, about 10 miles south of Baltimore. By late 1996, he was a regular, and in May 1997, he and his family converted and joined.

Funny, but this made me think of a long passage from a book I'm reading now in galleys, "Tinsel" by Hank Steuver. It'll be out in a couple of months, and it's going to be a huge and controversial seller in Texas, I predict. Hank, a Washington Post writer (the guy who did a profile of me when Crunchy Cons came out), spent two or three Christmas seasons living in Frisco, a boomburb north of Dallas, and has written a delicious book about how Christmas is lived in contemporary America. In the chapter I just finished, Hank writes about attending a megachurch in Collin County. Celebration Covenant Church is hugely successful, apparently, but reading Hank's detailed description of the worship there made me realize how completely alienated I am from this sort of thing. Rock bands, self-help, success-in-life sermons, hands raised high, etc. Believe me, I'm not saying that in a look-down-my-nose way; I mean that if that were the way Christianity were presented to me, I don't think I would want anything to do with it. I fully concede that many good people would react exactly the same way to the liturgical way we worship at St. Seraphim's. Still, as an observer of American life, reading Hank's chapter about megachurch worship makes me realize how very little I know about a religious mainstream in our common life.

I want to ask readers who go to a megachurch: what is it about the megachurch style that you like? What do you think you wouldn't like about Orthodox worship, or worship in another liturgical church? I hasten to say that I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, not in any kind of hostile way. Let's try to keep the discussion polite, please.

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October 6, 2009 8:38 PM

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October 6, 2009 8:49 PM

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Emily (Oren) Lowe
October 7, 2009 12:25 AM
http://teacherchildrenwell.com/2009/10/02/oh-yes-he-is/

Every time I read the comments here I'm amazed by 1) the intelligence of many of the readers, and 2) the vitriol that flows out so readily as soon as a disagreement is discovered.

I think we would all do well to remember that nothing is as simple as it seems. For instance, as I mention somewhat lightheartedly in the link above, not all of Cal Oren's children entered that church with him the day his heart / soul / conscience told him he was destined for Orthodoxy. And although part of that was me being a sulky adolescent, part of it was my realization that something secure and safe was being threatened: my faith, the foundation of my life, or all I knew of it at 13.

Conversion is difficult. Think of Eustace's dragon skin coming off, layer by painful layer. We vacillated between the EO and PCA churches for years, and it was awful -- wanting to be a part of an older, richer tradition, but fearing submission to something we didn't fully understand; losing old friends, but being afraid to get too attached to new ones. So how anyone can think that Rod "seamlessly" transitioned from Roman Catholicism to Orthodoxy (especially after he poured his heart out in one of the most raw and gripping expressions of personal faith I've ever read) is beyond me. Friends who have left one nondenominational megachurch for another describe similar feelings of alienation.

If we want to debate, we should do so in love -- as fellow human beings, even more so as Christians. We should start out assuming the best of each other. I have yet to hear anyone here say they know all the answers, yet many accuse the other side of posturing in such a way.

James Reed is right. We need each other desperately. Let's act like it.

Tracy
October 8, 2009 3:04 PM
http://www.creedible.com

These two churches are very different. I just learned more about the Orthodox faith and think it's quite beautiful: http://www.creedible.com/creed/Church-profiles/orthodox-church-invites-guests-to-stop-in-anytime.html.

Wendy C
October 18, 2009 2:58 PM

Very interesting post. As a religious liberal, and first year seminarian in Chicago, I am really enjoying your posts.

I am amazed by the evolution that Christianity is experiencing today. How it will all turn out we cannot know. But this post captures the range of ways that people are finding a religious life.

What is all means about Christian orthodoxy I don't know.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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