Crunchy Con

Only 20 percent claim to be Republican

Monday October 19, 2009

Categories: Republicans

New ABC/WaPo poll out finds that only 20 percent of Americans claim to be Republicans, a 26-year low. Additionally, while a majority believe the country is on the wrong track, 49 percent trust Obama to make the right decisions for the country, versus 34 percent who trust Congressional Democrats, and a paltry 19 percent who trust the Congressional Republicans. (The 20 percent claim to be GOP number is apparently not in the data to which I linked, but ABC reported it on their evening newscast).

It seems reasonable to conclude that the only people who trust Congressional Republicans are those who declare themselves to be Republican (in my case, what else would I be?). I guess I would be in the one percent who admits to being a Republican, but who has no faith in the Congressional Republicans. But cheer up! I don't have faith in the Democrats or the president either!

The Republicans are plainly in serious trouble. Typically, a third of all Americans identify with the GOP, a third with the Democrats, and a third call themselves independent. The balance of power in US electoral politics goes to the party that can attract independent votes. The GOP has withered away to the bone -- and if the Carville-Greenberg focus groups can be believed, it's going to be a walking skeleton for some time yet.

There will be a number of conservatives who dismiss the Carville-Greenberg findings because those men are partisan Democrats. I have to say that their findings seem accurate to me, and square completely with the mail and conversations I've had over the past few months with many conservatives. What did they find? I quote the executive summary below the jump, but in brief, they say that the hardcore conservatives truly to stand far apart from the rest of the country. They don't hate Obama because of his race; they despise him because they really do believe he's a socialist out to change the country forever. They have little use for the GOP, and see themselves as part of a cohesive minority of Americans widely mocked by the media, but who understand what's really happening in this country, and who are determined to "take it back." Here's a lengthy quote from the Carville-Greenberg summary, followed by my commentary:

This concern combines with a profound sense of collective identity. In our conversations, it was striking how these voters constantly characterized themselves as part of a group of individuals who share a set of beliefs, a unique knowledge, and a commitment of opposition to Obama that sets them apart from the majority of the country. They readily identify themselves as a minority in this country - a minority whose values are mocked and attacked by a liberal media and class of elites. They also believe they possess a level of knowledge and understanding when it comes to politics and current events, one gained from a rejection of the mainstream media and an embrace of conservative media and pundits such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, which sets them apart even more. Further, they believe this position leaves them with a responsibility to spread the word, to educate those who do not share their insights, and to take back the country that they love. Their faith in this country and its ideals leave them confident that their numbers will grow, and that they will ultimately defeat Barack Obama and the shadowy forces driving his hidden agenda.

And yet remarkably, these voters had virtually nothing positive to say about the Republican Party. They see their own party as weak, old, and out of touch. They feel it has lost sight of conservative values and conservative voters and is in desperate need of new leadership. They identified a clear disconnect between 'the people' and 'the politicians,' which poses a growing threat to the party's ability to challenge Democratic control in Washington. While they continue to defend George W. Bush personally, his presidency is an embarrassment to them and represents the culmination of a creeping betrayal of conservative values that started with the election of his father more than 20 years ago. The lionization of Ronald Reagan in these groups was as strong as we have seen for any political figure, as was the desperate desire for a new Reaganesque figure to lead them out of their current wilderness.

Looking at the current political debate, it was evident in our focus group discussions that the divide between conservative Republicans and even the most conservative-leaning independents remains very, very wide. Independents like those in our suburban Cleveland groups harbor doubts about Obama's health care reform but are desperate to see some version of health care reform pass this year; the conservative Republicans view any health care reform as a victory for Obama and are militantly opposed. Asked about the issues of greatest importance to them in choosing a candidate for Congress, health care ranked sixth among the Republicans, below issues such as tax cuts, immigration, and a candidate's personal values and faith; but for the independents, health care was number one.

The language they use further reflects this divide. Conservative Republicans fully embrace the 'socialism' attacks on Obama and believe it is the best, most accurate way to describe him and his agenda. Independents largely dismiss these attacks as partisan rhetoric detracting from a legitimate debate about what many of them do see as excessive government control and spending.

You've really got to read the whole analysis. This is absolutely true, in my experience:

The notion of a liberal media using its reach and power to advance a radical agenda is a given for these voters. If you do not see and understand this reality, you are not a part of their collective group and you cannot possibly understand the current political environment in our country. This creates an almost siege-like mentality, in which these conservative Republicans are always on the defensive, at all times looking for any slight against them and their beliefs and seeking to link it back to a broader effort rooted in the liberal media.

I can't tell you the number of times I've found myself in conversation, either face to face or in e-mail, with a partisan conservative who literally cannot accept what I'm saying. I mean, they literally think I'm lying to them when I give my opinion about something political, and believe that the only people one should listen to are people who already share their exclusive and somewhat paranoid worldview. This is what I think Mark Thompson and Freddie de Boer don't get when they criticize conservative dissidents for not leading the GOP base. The GOP base doesn't want to be led by people who don't agree with them 100 percent. They don't even want to listen.

Here's the Carville-Greenberg conclusion:

The independent voters in our groups clearly viewed these issues very, very differently. They share the conservative Republicans' disdain for the current Republican Party, but their critique is not that the party has abandoned its conservative principles but instead that it advances the interests of the rich and big businesses at the expense of the middle class. They worry about the Democratic Party's proclivity to spend tax dollars and provide 'freebies' to those who do not do their fair share, but they appreciate the Democrats' focus on 'the little people' (among which they included themselves) and the fact that 'it's not all about the money.'

They view FOX News as another media outlet, decidedly conservative in its point of view but no more or less biased than any other media outlet; their assumption is that every outlet has a bias that reflects the interests of its own bottom line. FOX is no different, and certainly not a source of special insight and information that cannot be gained elsewhere. They generally laugh at conservative commentators such as Limbaugh ('overbearing,' 'egotistical,' 'idiot') and Beck (one man called him a 'crybaby'). When it comes to Sarah Palin, there was almost universal agreement that she could never be elected president, with most citing her inexperience and baggage as obstacles too great to overcome. But even more important to them, most felt she was ultimately driven by greed and ambition more than anything else and would rather use her newfound fame to enrich herself than improve the country.

All of which underscores how much the conservative Republicans are a world apart - with big consequences for the Republican Party.

By this standard, I guess I would qualify as an independent voter. Independents really are a world apart from the GOP base, because they are not as extreme, and crucially, not as dug in on their principles. They don't see politics in such apocalyptic, paranoid terms -- precisely the terms the base expects its allies to agree with, or to be counted as a fellow traveler with the socialist Obama. All this is a recipe for continued marginalization. Being the party of No To Obama will always be good for a certain number of votes, but you can't build an effective governing majority on it.

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Comments
master c
October 20, 2009 12:09 PM

what z said...
crustacean-you sound positively bat s@#$ crazy, yet you post lucidly at times.
maybe you are putting us on?

Jana
October 20, 2009 12:35 PM

Annnnnnnd here you go:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/20/wapoabc-poll-uses-skewed-sample-to-show-public-option-support/

It's really easy to trumpet the toxicity of Republicans when your sample is so heavily skewed to Democrats.

Rod, the Republican party has problems aplenty, but using bogus polls doesn't strengthen your point, and it just lowers your credibility among those who consider themselves conservative.

Crustacean
October 20, 2009 2:58 PM

To all concerned about my sanity and/or my consumption of contraband substances,

My point in comparing Mao and Obama is to observe that they are both ideologues committed to gutting their respective countries as organic entities with social and cultural traditions in order to make them over in the image of abstract "Enlightenment" visions.

In any event, the Obama-Mao or the U.S.- China comparison is not one that originates with me, but rather one that originates with Obama's supporters and is confirmed by Obama's actions.

Why does Obama supporter Thomas Friedman rhapsodize about Chinese Democracy in the pro-Obama New York Times if not because liberals have a sneaking admiration for the kind of left-leaning, elite-driven state-corporatist autocracy the Chinese have,if not because something similar is what they would like to have here, in an ideal world?

Why does Obama's communications czar profess her admiration for Mao Tse Tung, if not because there is at least some common ground between she admires in Mao and what she admires in Obama?

Why did Obama name as his "green" czar a self-professed communist, unless he found at lest something to admire in communism? And why did the aformementioned self-professed communist "green" czar agree to work for Obama unless he found at least some common ground between Obama's ends and communist ends?

And, finally, why does Obama refuse to commemorate the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of communism in Europe, unless on some level he views those occasions as ones unworthy of commemoration, let alone of celebration? Why wouldn't he want to commemorate and to celebrate those occasions unless there represented the collapse of political projects with which his own has at least some common ground?

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Obama is not a communist, nor is he an admirer of Maoist genocide. But I do think his ideal image of the U.S. in the ideal future he would like to bring about looks more like present-day China than he or most of his supports -- save for Thomas Friedman -- would publicly admit.

An elite-driven, state-corporatist autocracy at the national level, embedded within a neoliberal, globalist world-order at the international level is what Obama has in mind.

That and a much more secularist, a much less socially and culturally traditionalist U. S. -- i.e. a much, much more left-leaning U.S.


Wolter
October 20, 2009 9:18 PM

Wow... Just wow...

Crustacean fits the description to a T. I would have thought he was just trolling, but something tells me he really believes the stuff he just wrote...

James Madison
November 4, 2009 1:04 AM
http://33%

The same poll shows that only 33% of people claimed to be Democrats, and 42% claimed to be Independents.

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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