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Bigotry, homosexuality and morality

Thursday November 5, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Ah, now we're getting somewhere interesting. Jamelle says that Ta-Nehisi Coates is right and I am wrong about whether or not Americans are "bigots" about homosexuals because a majority don't support same-sex marriage. (Read Ta-Nehisi's remarks here). What's interesting, and illuminating on both sides, is the definition of "bigot" that each of us is working with. Jamelle points to Pew survey data showing that 49 percent of Americans think homosexuality is immoral, only 9 percent view it as "morally acceptable," and everybody else is in the mushy middle. That, according to Jamelle, confirms Ta-Nehisi's view that most Americans are "deeply prejudiced" against gays, and that drives their political views on gay marriage.

I'm not sure that Ta-Nehisi and I disagree, actually, on the basic data. That is, I would have agreed with him from the get-go that a large percentage of Americans, probably a majority, disapprove morally of homosexuality. What I dispute is whether that counts as "bigotry" as we generally use the term in our political debate.

I don't count moral disapproval as "bigotry" on its face, because the word "bigotry" connotes malicious, unthinking prejudice. Is it really the case that someone who morally disapproves of a particular behavior is therefore a "bigot"? Are people who are vegans therefore anti-meat bigots? Do we really want to think of pacifists -- that is, people who object on moral grounds to war -- as anti-military bigots? Are those who oppose the death penalty on moral grounds in some sense bigoted against murder victims?

I'm allergic to deploying the word "bigot" against those who disagree with me because I think it's usually both untrue and unfair, and is almost always used in popular discourse to shame one's opponent into silence, or, more frequently, to avoid having to grapple with moral arguments one would rather not confront. In any case, being quick to resort to the "bigot" concept makes discussion and debate in a pluralistic society difficult, because it delegitimizes one's opponent's views from the get-go. You cannot argue with a bigot. Here's an e-mail I received today:

You point out how proponents of same-sex marriage are quick to label their opponents bigots. It is not that we do not have counter-arguments; we do. But what this comes down to is simply right vs. wrong. There is no argument against same-sex marriage that is just, ethical or worthy. You can tart up your language with false piety, traditional moralism and what passes in some circles for intellectual argument. But always, your starting point and your end point are rooted in bigotry and hatred. You are a bigot. All those who oppose same-sex marriages are bigots. I cannot state it more clearly than that. There is no point in argument or debate, because there are not two sides with merit. There is right, and there is wrong. You are wrong.

So you see, according to my correspondent, there's nothing to discuss, because anything my side would say that disagrees with him comes from pure, irrational hatred. It's all about power. Is this really the kind of society we want? If I told this guy that there is no argument for same-sex marriage that is just, ethical or worthy, and that his starting point and his end point are rooted in bigotry and hatred for God, traditional morality, heterosexuality, or whatever, I would not only be wrong, I would be embarrassed to make such a pitiful and cowardly statement.

What it comes down to, I think, is the concept of a rational prejudice. I think that some, and perhaps many, supporters of same-sex marriage are anti-Christian bigots, in that they have a fierce and unthinking hatred for all Christians, but I think by no means do they constitute all SSM supporters. I don't believe everyone who finds my religious and political convictions objectionable are therefore bigots. I think it's entirely possible to find certain beliefs and behaviors immoral without being bigoted in the matter, or bigoted toward the people who hold those views. Because see, if I started from the same first premises that motivate someone like my friend N., a pro-SSM secularist, of course I would have deep and sincere moral objections to Christianity, in particular its teachings on human sexuality. N.'s prejudice against Christianity is rational. Now, should he start to treat Christians abusively, or to develop lurid theories and a nasty disposition towards Christians, then I would start thinking about the b-word. But as regrettable and ill-informed as I find his view of Christianity and those who espouse it, I don't think he's remotely a bigot. In fact, he's unfailingly respectful and kind, and a generous fellow whose company I enjoy. I believe most people who want gay marriage see it as a moral good, and are decent folks who happen to misunderstand or to wrongly reject some important truths. I don't think they are bigots, and don't want to think they are bigots, because then I stop listening to them, stop trying to see the world through their eyes, and finally stop caring about what they think or feel or suffer.

There are many people -- seemingly everyone who has a blog or works for the media -- who have decided that homosexuality is either morally neutral or morally good -- and who cannot comprehend why anybody would disagree. Therefore, because these folks do not understand why anyone could object to homosexuality, anyone who doesn't share their view could only be motivated by irrational hatred of the most odious kind. It's a peculiar thing, to impute bigotry to half the people in one's own country, because they happen to hold a negative viewpoint about the moral licitness of the sexual practices of a tiny minority -- a viewpoint that has been thoroughly and overwhelmingly mainstream in Western culture from, say, 1,500 years ago up until the day before yesterday.

Understand that I'm not making the argument here that the traditional, Biblical view of homosexuality is morally wrong; I'm saying that to ascribe all opposition to homosexual behavior to irrational, malicious prejudice is an extremely parochial and ahistorical stance. Given what most people in the West have long believed about homosexuality and the Biblical basis for sexual ethics and morality, it is completely unsurprising that so many people take a dim view of the morality of homosexuality.

What I'm saying is that I believe people can be morally wrong in their prejudices without being bigots, a strong word that I think should be reserved for knotheads and thugs (of which both sides in this debate have more than a few). Ta-Nehisi and I would agree that some degree of animus against homosexuality, either visceral or formal, drives most of the opposition to same-sex marriage. Where we'd part, it seems to me, is how to regard that opposition, both in their views and in their person. If you believe deep down that I am a bigot, that tells me that, like the letter-writer above, you have no respect for my point of view or me at all, and that you will do your very best to run over me the first chance you get. Bigots exist, but I think it's dangerous to look for them behind ever tree, because the temptation to self-righteousness can be overwhelming. If one's opponents can all be written off as bigots, then one relieves oneself the duty to see them as human beings who can be talked to, reasoned with, treated with respect even in defeat, and, finally, loved, despite it all. They become an abstraction, and less than human. Again, is that really the kind of society we want to live in?

UPDATE: Of course, this is impossibly naive.

And I forgot to point out that very many of us simply do not agree that homosexuality is morally neutral, like race is. If you don't believe that it's morally neutral, then arguments for same-sex marriage that depend on comparing gays today to blacks in the pre-civil rights era simply don't work.

UPDATE.2: To clarify, I'm not saying that if somebody is raised in a culture in which a particular prejudice is mainstream, then that person's prejudice is beyond moral judgment. If one's Alabama grandfather believes racial segregation was just and right, it's perfectly legitimate to judge his view as immoral, even though he had been formed by a culture that taught segregation. Indeed, I would describe Granddad's view as bigoted, because I see no basis, neither in reason nor in the Christian religion, to uphold Granddad's segregationist views. On the other hand, unless he was a malicious jerk, knowing Granddad's background would make me reluctant to apply the word "bigot" to him, even if I thought privately that he was exactly that. Why? Because I would have an appreciation for the world that made Granddad's conscience, and how it distorted his moral lens; I would know how much he has to overcome to see things rightly, and would extend him understanding and mercy, even as I judge him to hold immoral views, and would feel morally bound to challenge him on those views if they came up, and I would certainly believe that Granddad's segregationist views should not be enshrined in law.

I know I'm splitting some hairs here, but this is the kind of moral exercise many, many white Southerners born and raised in the post-civil rights era have to do all the time when relating to the older generation. It teaches you how to love and respect folks who believe something you know to be profoundly immoral, by teaching you to discern their own flawed humanity, and perhaps to be careful issuing blanket judgments because you don't want young folks 50 years from now damning you as a malign Other for believing things today that are uncontroversial. This is, I guess, another illustration of what Jamelle meant here:

This exchange between Rod Dreher and Ta-Nehisi Coates on the basis of opposition to same-sex marriage is interesting, if only because it provides another striking example of how ones identity has an incredible impact on how one views the world and other human beings. That is, it's pretty easy to believe that bigotry drives political action against same-sex marriage when you yourself belong to a minority group that was a regular target of disenfranchisement (or worse) for more than a century.
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Karl G
November 8, 2009 1:29 AM

JH:

If the Veteran Affairs office was a governing body that controlled all retirement benefits and chose only to extend them to military veterans, then you might have a reasonable parallel. But it's not. It's an office that exists, essentially as an extension of the US military, and thus the parallel would be a marriage counseling service offered by a Catholic Church, which would be similarly fully justified in only dealing with marriages recognized by that church.

The scope of the overall US government is all of its people, so when speaking of general civil institutions that it oversees it cannot use them to promote one religious faith over others, which is exactly what it does when it defines those institutions in the terms on one specific religion or subset thereof.

On the matter of harm- present to me an argument proving that gravity is not caused by invisible, intangible, flying gnomes that work ceaselessly to use their magic to pull everything toward other objects. Show me conclusively that invisible unicorns do not exist.

You're asking for negative proof of a broad, groundless assertion that you have made.

Here's a baseline from the professionals who research such issues, if you really must. It doesn't cite specific articles, but stands as a full summary of all reputable research to date:

http://www.apa.org/TOPICS/SORIENTATION.HTML

The negative psychological effects of homosexuality and bisexuality stem from the social stigmas against them, not from anything inherent to them.

But, given that you have yet to respond to anything I've said with something more substantial than "Nuh-uh" maybe I should remember the general admonition

Thomas R
November 8, 2009 3:55 AM

"Whether Rod or anyone else self-identifies as a bigot or meets some caricature of the role is beside the point. Your position of actively campaigning to marginalize another group of human beings puts you on the side of bigotry." kenneth

TR: There's too much to respond to here so I'll just do this one.

I am not clear on what counts as "marginalizing another group of human beings." I'm willing to support some kind of same-sex union. I certainly don't favor restricting gays right of speech, assembly, gun-rights, right to counsel, right to be a lawyer, to be on the Supreme Court, serve on a jury, vote at 18, vote directly for Senator, be a Senator, serve in any elective office, buy alcohol, or any of the other things I can think of that are actually in the Constitutional Amendments.

However I have become against anything that indicates there is no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality. To me same-sex marriage does that. My attraction to men is not like my attraction to women. Maybe it's different for some other bisexuals, but I just don't see how that would be on a personal level. Men are clearly different than women. Men aren't more or less sexual than women, but I think the way they are sexual is different. As is the way we emote or locomote or respond to certain stimulii. To say that the union of two men is the union of two women is the union of opposite is vaguely illogical to me at this point.

And I meant to say some other stuff, but I'm getting a cold.

DavidTC
November 8, 2009 11:09 AM

Thomas R
However I have become against anything that indicates there is no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality. To me same-sex marriage does that. My attraction to men is not like my attraction to women. Maybe it's different for some other bisexuals, but I just don't see how that would be on a personal level. Men are clearly different than women. Men aren't more or less sexual than women, but I think the way they are sexual is different. As is the way we emote or locomote or respond to certain stimulii. To say that the union of two men is the union of two women is the union of opposite is vaguely illogical to me at this point.

Well, of course men and women aren't the same, and neither is attraction for them. People who say they are they are same either dumb or in an understandable overreaction to the sexism that was an inherent part of society until very recently.

Both genders want the basic things in life, but in different amounts, and they have different goals, they have different needs, they have different wants. On average, of course. It's a good thing, too, because without both men and women pushing in different directions, we'd never get as far as we have.

Obviously, that's an oversimplification, but let's just say that there's as much psychological sexual differentiation between men and women as the average between other animal species, just as physically our differences are roughly the same as other species. For every peacock, with obvious differences between the genders, there's a cat, which has less sexual dimorphism than people.


However, there's a key difference between us and other species. Every single person is, in fact, a person, and thus has inalienable rights, regardless of gender, and should have the right to do, or at least try to do, what anyone is allowed to do, regardless of their gender.

Ergo, we should treat a man that loves a man the same as a woman that loves a man...by letting that person get married to that man.

Karl G
November 8, 2009 7:35 PM

"Obviously, that's an oversimplification, but let's just say that there's as much psychological sexual differentiation between men and women as the average between other animal species, just as physically our differences are roughly the same as other species. For every peacock, with obvious differences between the genders, there's a cat, which has less sexual dimorphism than people."

You don't have to go out to other species here, really, because there is a more important fundamental truth that you gloss over. Are there fundamental psychological differences between any given man and any given woman? Sure. But then there are the same degree of differences on average between any two given men or any two given women, straight gay or otherwise.

People are different. The normal person to person variation overshadows by far any broad categorical differentiation that you might point to.

another opinion
November 9, 2009 3:11 PM

Karl G,

"the best solution is for the state to make the difference clear by ditching the use of the word marriage completely in favor of "civil union" or some such to make abundantly clear the difference between the two arrangements."

I disagree that that is the job the State msut take on. I believe the Church must take that on.

The Church got into the marriage business way long after marriage as a civil institution existed. The Church should stick with Holy Matrimony, the word "Holy" identifying that institution as a religious one.

The State has civil marriage. This new entity, "'civil' unions" are a brand new and unnecessary institution, and the difference is already "abundantly clear".

The State should not only stay in the marriage business, they should cease recognizing or even asking clergy to serve as agents of the State (as in when a clergy person mouths the words, "By the powers vested in me by the State ..."). The reasoning behind this is because no clergy person of any faith is given powers to dissolve marriages (certainly not civil marriages, anyway), so why do they have such powers to create them in the first place?

Perhaps someone could explain what it is that "'civil' unions" are supposed to do that civil marriage does not already do? (Apart from being bestowed upon couples not deemed 'worthy' of marriage by some religions, that is.)

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To Thomas R. (and others),

re: "I have become against anything that indicates there is no difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality."

No one is saying they are the same, anymore than anyone is insisting that men and women are the same, or that blacks and whites are the same. But all of those categories must be treated the same/equally before the law - the Constitution requires it, despite the differences.

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