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Saturday November 7, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Sully: "No more Mr. Nice Gay"

Andrew Sullivan suggests that gays should go hard-negative on their opponents in marriage campaigns. He cites this passage from a Rex Wockner post as creditable:

We are fools to have spent all this money and time and not have defined the opponents. It's not enough to answer their charges. We need to hit them back and not let up on it until voters don't buy their lies anymore. Malpractice in my opinion.

Sullivan adds:

A campaign that in future took on the Catholic hierarchy for its tolerance of child abuse while denying grown people marriage rights would be a promising start. Ads reminding people of the Mormon church's long, long history of racism would also be salient. We're new to this, and we're learning.

Dropping the "Bigot" Bunker-Buster doesn't seem like a promising strategy to me in a country in which 49 percent of the people think homosexuality is immoral, and in which a Mr. Nice Gay approach is slowly but steadily winning. But we'll see. If that's the way they go, the anti-SSM groups ought to make ads out of this footage of the way an enraged mob of No More Mr. Nice Gays chased peaceful Christians out of the Castro district; the Christians had to be accompanied by police officers for their own safety:

Thursday November 5, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Bigotry, homosexuality and morality

Ah, now we're getting somewhere interesting. Jamelle says that Ta-Nehisi Coates is right and I am wrong about whether or not Americans are "bigots" about homosexuals because a majority don't support same-sex marriage. (Read Ta-Nehisi's remarks here). What's interesting, and illuminating on both sides, is the definition of "bigot" that each of us is working with. Jamelle points to Pew survey data showing that 49 percent of Americans think homosexuality is immoral, only 9 percent view it as "morally acceptable," and everybody else is in the mushy middle. That, according to Jamelle, confirms Ta-Nehisi's view that most Americans are "deeply prejudiced" against gays, and that drives their political views on gay marriage.

I'm not sure that Ta-Nehisi and I disagree, actually, on the basic data. That is, I would have agreed with him from the get-go that a large percentage of Americans, probably a majority, disapprove morally of homosexuality. What I dispute is whether that counts as "bigotry" as we generally use the term in our political debate.

I don't count moral disapproval as "bigotry" on its face, because the word "bigotry" connotes malicious, unthinking prejudice. Is it really the case that someone who morally disapproves of a particular behavior is therefore a "bigot"? Are people who are vegans therefore anti-meat bigots? Do we really want to think of pacifists -- that is, people who object on moral grounds to war -- as anti-military bigots? Are those who oppose the death penalty on moral grounds in some sense bigoted against murder victims?

I'm allergic to deploying the word "bigot" against those who disagree with me because I think it's usually both untrue and unfair, and is almost always used in popular discourse to shame one's opponent into silence, or, more frequently, to avoid having to grapple with moral arguments one would rather not confront. In any case, being quick to resort to the "bigot" concept makes discussion and debate in a pluralistic society difficult, because it delegitimizes one's opponent's views from the get-go. You cannot argue with a bigot. Here's an e-mail I received today:

You point out how proponents of same-sex marriage are quick to label their opponents bigots. It is not that we do not have counter-arguments; we do. But what this comes down to is simply right vs. wrong. There is no argument against same-sex marriage that is just, ethical or worthy. You can tart up your language with false piety, traditional moralism and what passes in some circles for intellectual argument. But always, your starting point and your end point are rooted in bigotry and hatred. You are a bigot. All those who oppose same-sex marriages are bigots. I cannot state it more clearly than that. There is no point in argument or debate, because there are not two sides with merit. There is right, and there is wrong. You are wrong.

So you see, according to my correspondent, there's nothing to discuss, because anything my side would say that disagrees with him comes from pure, irrational hatred. It's all about power. Is this really the kind of society we want? If I told this guy that there is no argument for same-sex marriage that is just, ethical or worthy, and that his starting point and his end point are rooted in bigotry and hatred for God, traditional morality, heterosexuality, or whatever, I would not only be wrong, I would be embarrassed to make such a pitiful and cowardly statement.

What it comes down to, I think, is the concept of a rational prejudice. I think that some, and perhaps many, supporters of same-sex marriage are anti-Christian bigots, in that they have a fierce and unthinking hatred for all Christians, but I think by no means do they constitute all SSM supporters. I don't believe everyone who finds my religious and political convictions objectionable are therefore bigots. I think it's entirely possible to find certain beliefs and behaviors immoral without being bigoted in the matter, or bigoted toward the people who hold those views. Because see, if I started from the same first premises that motivate someone like my friend N., a pro-SSM secularist, of course I would have deep and sincere moral objections to Christianity, in particular its teachings on human sexuality. N.'s prejudice against Christianity is rational. Now, should he start to treat Christians abusively, or to develop lurid theories and a nasty disposition towards Christians, then I would start thinking about the b-word. But as regrettable and ill-informed as I find his view of Christianity and those who espouse it, I don't think he's remotely a bigot. In fact, he's unfailingly respectful and kind, and a generous fellow whose company I enjoy. I believe most people who want gay marriage see it as a moral good, and are decent folks who happen to misunderstand or to wrongly reject some important truths. I don't think they are bigots, and don't want to think they are bigots, because then I stop listening to them, stop trying to see the world through their eyes, and finally stop caring about what they think or feel or suffer.

There are many people -- seemingly everyone who has a blog or works for the media -- who have decided that homosexuality is either morally neutral or morally good -- and who cannot comprehend why anybody would disagree. Therefore, because these folks do not understand why anyone could object to homosexuality, anyone who doesn't share their view could only be motivated by irrational hatred of the most odious kind. It's a peculiar thing, to impute bigotry to half the people in one's own country, because they happen to hold a negative viewpoint about the moral licitness of the sexual practices of a tiny minority -- a viewpoint that has been thoroughly and overwhelmingly mainstream in Western culture from, say, 1,500 years ago up until the day before yesterday.

Understand that I'm not making the argument here that the traditional, Biblical view of homosexuality is morally wrong; I'm saying that to ascribe all opposition to homosexual behavior to irrational, malicious prejudice is an extremely parochial and ahistorical stance. Given what most people in the West have long believed about homosexuality and the Biblical basis for sexual ethics and morality, it is completely unsurprising that so many people take a dim view of the morality of homosexuality.

What I'm saying is that I believe people can be morally wrong in their prejudices without being bigots, a strong word that I think should be reserved for knotheads and thugs (of which both sides in this debate have more than a few). Ta-Nehisi and I would agree that some degree of animus against homosexuality, either visceral or formal, drives most of the opposition to same-sex marriage. Where we'd part, it seems to me, is how to regard that opposition, both in their views and in their person. If you believe deep down that I am a bigot, that tells me that, like the letter-writer above, you have no respect for my point of view or me at all, and that you will do your very best to run over me the first chance you get. Bigots exist, but I think it's dangerous to look for them behind ever tree, because the temptation to self-righteousness can be overwhelming. If one's opponents can all be written off as bigots, then one relieves oneself the duty to see them as human beings who can be talked to, reasoned with, treated with respect even in defeat, and, finally, loved, despite it all. They become an abstraction, and less than human. Again, is that really the kind of society we want to live in?

UPDATE: Of course, this is impossibly naive.

And I forgot to point out that very many of us simply do not agree that homosexuality is morally neutral, like race is. If you don't believe that it's morally neutral, then arguments for same-sex marriage that depend on comparing gays today to blacks in the pre-civil rights era simply don't work.

UPDATE.2: To clarify, I'm not saying that if somebody is raised in a culture in which a particular prejudice is mainstream, then that person's prejudice is beyond moral judgment. If one's Alabama grandfather believes racial segregation was just and right, it's perfectly legitimate to judge his view as immoral, even though he had been formed by a culture that taught segregation. Indeed, I would describe Granddad's view as bigoted, because I see no basis, neither in reason nor in the Christian religion, to uphold Granddad's segregationist views. On the other hand, unless he was a malicious jerk, knowing Granddad's background would make me reluctant to apply the word "bigot" to him, even if I thought privately that he was exactly that. Why? Because I would have an appreciation for the world that made Granddad's conscience, and how it distorted his moral lens; I would know how much he has to overcome to see things rightly, and would extend him understanding and mercy, even as I judge him to hold immoral views, and would feel morally bound to challenge him on those views if they came up, and I would certainly believe that Granddad's segregationist views should not be enshrined in law.

I know I'm splitting some hairs here, but this is the kind of moral exercise many, many white Southerners born and raised in the post-civil rights era have to do all the time when relating to the older generation. It teaches you how to love and respect folks who believe something you know to be profoundly immoral, by teaching you to discern their own flawed humanity, and perhaps to be careful issuing blanket judgments because you don't want young folks 50 years from now damning you as a malign Other for believing things today that are uncontroversial. This is, I guess, another illustration of what Jamelle meant here:

This exchange between Rod Dreher and Ta-Nehisi Coates on the basis of opposition to same-sex marriage is interesting, if only because it provides another striking example of how ones identity has an incredible impact on how one views the world and other human beings. That is, it's pretty easy to believe that bigotry drives political action against same-sex marriage when you yourself belong to a minority group that was a regular target of disenfranchisement (or worse) for more than a century.

Thursday November 5, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Pondering non-religious opposition to gay marriage

The WaPo interviews gay marriage activist leaders, who say they won't change their strategy going forward, despite the Maine loss. How is it they lost given that they had the media and the political establishment on their side? Well might they ask. Meanwhile, Maggie Gallagher speaks the truth. Excerpt:

Here's the first thing this victory means: The $4 million spent to pass gay marriage in Maine was wasted. Even Americans in liberal states do not believe that two guys pledged to a gay union are a marriage. Politicians can pass a bill saying a chicken is a duck and that doesn't make it true. Truth matters.

Americans have a great deal of goodwill toward gay people as friends, neighbors and fellow citizens. Most of us do not want to hurt them or hate them or interfere with anyone's legitimate rights to live as they choose. But we do not believe gay marriage is a civil right; we think it is a civil wrong. And we do not appreciate the increasingly intense efforts to punish people who disagree with gay marriage as if we were racists, bigots, discriminators or haters.

Case in point: Don Mendell, a school guidance counselor at Nokomis Regional High School in Maine, now faces ethics complaints for his decision to appear in a TV ad for the Yes on One campaign in the closing days of the contest. If substantiated, the ethics complaint could lead the government to yank his license as a social worker and, therefore, threaten his livelihood. What kind of movement spurs people to act like this? Meanwhile, a teacher of the year who campaigned for gay marriage faces no such threat to her livelihood. Is gay marriage really about love and tolerance for all?

The people of Maine are certainly entitled to wonder.

I have said privately to Maggie that I think the pro-marriage forces are going to lose in the long run, because younger Americans have internalized the emotivist logic of our culture, regarding the meaning of marriage (meaning that they accept that marriage is a contract between two consenting parties who agree that it means nothing more than that they love each other; it has no essential meaning beyond that). I still believe that Andrew Sullivan is right about the inevitability of gay marriage, but after the results of Maine and California -- neither of which are culturally conservative states -- I'm beginning to think that perhaps I was too pessimistic.

Pro-SSM folks love to believe that only bigots and "Christianists" oppose them, but when people think of states in which conservative Christians live in significant numbers, Maine isn't among them. I wonder to what extent some variation of the frustration James Howard Kunstler voices in the 2004 post at the bottom of this long string. Keep in mind that Kunstler, the peak-oil apocalypticist, is a man of the secular left who thinks religious conservatives are nuts. But he thinks cultural leftism and its obsessions are a destructive distraction from more serious matters of economic inequality, resource destruction, and suchlike. Maybe it's the case that people who are culturally and religiously moderate are simply deeply suspicious of this kind of radical change, especially when there is so much economic uncertainty, and don't appreciate being slammed as "bigots" over what they regard as simple prudence. This Kunstlerian passage is startling coming from the left -- and I've put it below the jump because it's so long:

Wednesday November 4, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Gay marriage: 0 wins, 31 losses

Maine voters reject gay marriage -- and the vote wasn't all that close, either. From the NYT:

In a stinging setback for the national gay-rights movement, Maine voters narrowly decided to repeal the state's new law allowing same-sex marriage.

With 87 percent of precincts reporting early this morning, 53 percent of voters had approved the repeal, ending an expensive and emotional fight that was closely watched around the country as a referendum on the national gay-marriage movement. Polls had suggested a much closer race.

With the repeal, Maine became the 31st state to reject same-sex marriage at the ballot box. Five other states - Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont - have legalized same-sex marriage, but only through court rulings and legislative action.

Unless I'm missing something, in the 31 states in which voters had a say on whether or not gay marriage was going to be the law of the land, they all rejected it. Every single state. Even California, the national bellwether state on liberalizing social trends. Even Maine, in the most liberal region of the country.

You can come up with all kinds of theories about why this is, blaming the voters for being bigots, accuse the churches of playing dirty, whatever. The plain fact is, every single time it's been put to a popular vote (as opposed to allowing a tiny number of elites to vote on it), gay marriage has been a loser.

Do I think it always will be? No, I do not, in part because homosexuality is far more accepted by young Americans, and in part because heterosexual America has already conceded the philosophical grounds on which traditional marriage was based (which is why younger Americans are more comfortable with gay marriage). Nor do I believe that the voters are always right. But unless you're prepared to call more than half the country bigots -- and I have no doubt that many, perhaps most, gay marriage supporters are, and let that self-serving explanation suffice -- maybe, just maybe, you ought to ask yourself if there's something else going on here. And that maybe, just maybe, serious attention should be paid, instead of paying attention long enough to insult people who disagree with you as evil people who deserved to be excoriated and harrassed.

UPDATE: Linda Hirshman, no doubt speaking for millions of liberals today, is so sick and tired of what the people think about gay marriage that she doesn't think the people should have a say over the definition of marriage. See? If the pro-SSM left can't convince people of the rightness of their cause, they're perfectly prepared to see their views imposed from on high. Honestly, folks, I understand the case for same-sex marriage, though I don't agree with it, but look, if you're reduced to having to tell the public that they have no right to be consulted about the radical redefinition of a bedrock social and cultural institution, then you have a big, big problem.

Tuesday October 13, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Washington and the gay thing

Andrew Sullivan has been ripping and snorting about what a do-nothing Obama is on gay rights, and approving quotes this from Glenn Greenwald:

"It's often forgotten or obscured, but the central political fact now is that the Democratic Party controls everything in Washington -- from the branches of government to favors doled out to lobbyists to the policies that Congress and the President enact. Wars that are fought and bills that are or are not passed and policies that are maintained are, by definition, Democratic actions. The dreaded Right can't dictate or stop anything. That's the burden of having massive majorities in all areas -- everything that happens is the result of what the Democratic Party does, and that's why the divisions and conflicts that truly matter are ones with the party itself. The "right v. left" and even "Democrat v. GOP" drama dominates most of our discourse, yet at this point it is a distracting and largely irrelevant food fight. It's the Democrats who have won the last two elections by large margins and wield all the power, and increasingly the defining conflict is between those whose overarching allegiance is to Obama and the Party as ends in themselves, and those who see those things as mere means to more important ends."

It's true, isn't it? I can't say that I'm all that surprised over Democratic foot-dragging on gay rights. The Republicans did the same thing when they held all the power in Washington. Back when they held the Senate and the White House, it was the best chance they'd ever have to pass out of the Senate and to the states an amendment to constitutionally define marriage as one man and one woman. The GOP pretty much ran on this in 2004, but when they had their best, and probably last (given the demographic shift in the pipeline) chance to protect traditional marriage in the Constitution, they balked. The president, an Evangelical Christian and social conservative, only gave it half-hearted support, and the Federal Marriage Amendment died in the Senate. The Republican Senate.

And now Democrats who care about this issue are discovering what their Republican counterparts on the other side found out: that deep down, neither party establishment wants to deal with this thing. It involves forcing them to make choices they'd rather not make. But the truth is, Washington is probably closer to where the American people are, all things considered, than convinced partisans on either side. I believe a majority of all voting-age Americans don't believe in same-sex marriage. But I believe the momentum is in the opposite direction, and I believe there's a meaningful difference between those who oppose same-sex marriage, and those who want the government to do something about it.

UPDATE: If you're going to leave a comment that amounts to some version of the by now classic "Somebody explain to me how my marriage to my same-sex partner threatens heterosexual marriage," just don't. We've been over this a million times before on this blog. The topic here is not gay marriage, but political support for gay marriage in Washington, and among Democrats. Anybody who wants to repeat the legitimacy of gay marriage argument will find their postsunpublished on grounds that you're boring me to death.

Friday October 2, 2009

Categories: Education, Homosexuality

Queering California education

Bill O'Reilly did a segment last night (embedded below the jump) about a short film supposedly being shown in some California schools. It's a cartoon about a cross-dressing boy who has fun wearing his mom's bikini, part of a package...

Thursday September 24, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Coming out in middle school

Long NYT article about how more and more middle schoolers are choosing to publicly identify as gay. Excerpt: Austin had practically forgotten about his boyfriend. Instead, he was confessing to me -- mostly by text message, though we were standing...

Monday September 14, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Populism, Indians and the Other

Here's a fantastic and important essay by Jeremy Beer, on the psycho-cultural truths behind current populist conflict. He uses the gay marriage issue to make a larger point. I would invite you who favor gay marriage at least to consider...

Wednesday September 9, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay marriage bullies

Did you hear the story about the Washington Post reporter who did a Style section profile on a gay-marriage opponent who is not actually a monster? Reporter Monica Hesse wrote of Brian Brown: The thing about the John Hagees and...

Wednesday August 26, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay man on gay humility

A reader sent me the blog of David Benkof, a celibate Orthodox Jewish homosexual who believes that gays should leave traditional marriage alone. Boy, I bet his life is made miserable. Here's a column he wrote early this year...

Tuesday August 25, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Equal rights for ... ex-gays?

Reader Minkoff passes this story along, with the comment, "Now I'm really confused." Why come? Well, read on: The Superior Court of the District of Columbia has ruled that former homosexuals must be recognized under the sexual orientation non-discrimination laws....

Sunday August 23, 2009

What does "monogamy" mean to gays?

The Lutherans (ELCA) have now okayed gay clergy who are in "committed" relationships, and endorsed "chaste, monogamous and lifelong" same-sex relationships. But as Terry Mattingly observes, there has been no real public discussion about just what "monogamy" means when it...

Thursday August 20, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Law

Predictions on gay marriage

Steve Chapman asks a reasonable question: Opponents of same-sex marriage reject it on religious and moral grounds but also on practical ones. If we let homosexuals marry, they believe, a parade of horribles will follow--the weakening of marriage as an...

Tuesday August 11, 2009

Categories: Catholicism, Homosexuality

What Catholicism offers gays

Eve Tushnet is a lesbian Catholic who is faithful to Rome and its teachings. She writes that Catholicism offers some unique gifts to gay Catholics, which (tragically) aren't well known. Catholicism rejects both the idea that homosexual inclinations should be...

Thursday July 16, 2009

Anglican schism time

Ruth Gledhill writes that the Episcopal Church's gay bishop vote this week really does look like the last straw for the Anglican Communion. Excerpt: Like many Anglicans, perhaps, I've always in my heart greeted talk of schism with an inner...

Tuesday July 14, 2009

TEC close to okaying gay bishops

The Episcopal Church, now in its General Convention, is moving closer to full approval of sexually active homosexuals as bishops. From the NYT report: The debates at the convention in Anaheim over the last few days have made it clear...

Wednesday July 8, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Law, Republicans

Camille Paglia vs. hate crimes

From Camille's latest Salon column, in which she answers letters from readers: I am conservative politically, yet I see the profound weaknesses in the movement. One thing from the liberal side of thinking that I struggle with is the concept...

Friday July 3, 2009

Is Frank Lombard's religion relevant?

Terry Mattingly has some pointed questions for the media in its coverage of the Frank Lombard child molestation scandal. Excerpt: The sins and alleged crimes of one gay parent say as much about the motivations and beliefs of those who...

Thursday June 25, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Disney: Hegemonic enemy of queer pedagogy

If, unlike me, you have a subscription to the academic journal Gender & Society, the publication of Sociologists for Women in Society, a feminist sociologist organization, you will no doubt already have read the paper decrying "Hetero-Romantic Love and Heterosexiness...

Saturday June 13, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Obama and DOMA: pragmatic, or a missed opportunity? (Erin)

Some of Barack Obama's gay supporters are beginning to feel a bit disillusioned by the president. First, there was the dismissal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" lawsuit, and the administration's perceived failure to use the opportunity to come out...

Monday June 8, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Queering education (Erin)

In my earlier post about Kevin Jennings, the founder and former director of GLSEN who has been appointed by President Obama to serve as the assistant deputy secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug-Free Schools inside the Department of...

Monday June 8, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Don't ask, don't tell to stand for now (Erin)

This just in: the Supreme Court has turned down a challenge to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy: WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a challenge to the Pentagon policy forbidding gays and lesbians from...

Saturday June 6, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Sweden's new bishop, and a sense of deja vu (Erin)

You don't have to be an Episcopalian to have an openly gay bishop anymore: A female Lutheran pastor who is in a registered partnership with another woman was elected May 26 to be the next bishop of the Diocese of...

Thursday June 4, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Privacy and unintended consequences (Erin)

The votes are trending in favor of my posting this interesting story (and a big thanks, again, to Geoff G. for sending it along), so here it is. In Washington state, a new law will extend the rights and benefits...

Wednesday June 3, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay Marriage in New Hampshire (Erin)

Well, New Hampshire's got gay marriage now, and look who's celebrating: The Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, elected in New Hampshire in 2003 as the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, was among those celebrating the new law....

Tuesday May 26, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Law

Democracy wins in California gay marriage dispute

Whatever you think of Prop 8, I don't see how you can disagree with the decision of the California Supreme Court to uphold it. For a court to have nullified a constitutional amendment ratified by a popular vote, and to...

Friday May 22, 2009

Religious freedom depends on Catholic bishops

So says Terry Mattingly, in an e-mail to me. He's talking about maintaining religious freedom against the coming changes in health care regulations, and gay civil rights. I asked him to explain. He responded: It's really a matter of simple...

Friday May 22, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

American Idol: Gay vs. Christian?

I didn't watch the American Idol finale, but I'm interested -- surprise! -- in how it's being read by some as another red state/blue state fight, and specifically, a fight between liberal gays and conservative Christians. After all, the judges...

Wednesday May 20, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality, Law

The ideology of rights

Got an e-mail from my friend David Rieff, who has given me permission to reproduce it here: Your post echoing the McGurn piece in the WSJ seemed spot on to me. I particularly enjoyed your story of the Cajun 'heretic!'...

Friday May 15, 2009

Categories: Catholicism, Homosexuality

Rembert the Gutless

In today's New York Times, the retired ultra-liberal Catholic Archbishop of Milwaukee, who stepped down a few years ago after it was revealed that he paid off a former male lover $450,000 in church funds to keep quiet about their...

Tuesday May 12, 2009

Gay rights and religious liberties, again

I hate to bring this up again, given how the combox chatter will go, but the next time somebody asks, rhetorically, how Adam and Steve's marriage is going to hurt anybody else, refer them to this National Public Radio story....

Sunday May 10, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Race, The South

Ginger Snap and Southern culture

Just got in from Louisiana, and man, there's got to be a special reward in heaven for parents who survive a nine-hour car trip with three small children and a wet smelly dog. After coming through a 50-mile or so...

Saturday May 2, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Media

Carrie Prejean, what is the moral of this story?

Defend, however modestly, traditional marriage, and this is what they'll say about you on cable television: Try to imagine MSNBC, or any other network, granting an anti-gay troll three minutes to rant so hatefully about a same-sex marriage supporter. It...

Thursday April 30, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

The secular case against gay marriage

Here's a non-religious John Derbyshire's non-religious case against same-sex marriage. Excerpt: (2)The social recognition of committed heterosexual bonding has been a constant for thousands of years. No-one of a conservative inclination wants to mess lightly with that. Counter-arguments like "so...

Friday April 24, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Miss USA + gay marriage = sign of the times

It is, in the grand scheme, an incredibly minor controversy. In the recent Miss USA Pageant, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, was asked by the homosexual flibbertigibbet Perez Hilton for her view on gay marriage. She said she favored traditional marriage...

Thursday April 23, 2009

Jesus as Moralistic Therapeutic Deity

Andrew Sullivan reveals his next move: He says his next battle is to "turn Christianity against the fundamentalists". For him, "their certainty is the real blasphemy; their desire to control the lives of others the real heresy; their simple depiction...

Tuesday April 21, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Newt defends trad marriage? Vomit.

Jeez, Newt Gingrich. "The Democratic Party has been the active instrument of breaking down traditional marriage," he said the other day. While that's true in a narrow sense, in that the Democrats have generally been the party favorable to gay...

Friday April 17, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality, War

Gay marriage, torture and rules of debate

Erin Manning, about the rules of debate in the Obama-Bush-torture discussion below: RJohnson, I'm kind of playing "devil's advocate" here. I certainly agree that we shouldn't torture, and that governments which think they can torture some people aren't that far...

Wednesday April 15, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Gays in the military and radical perfectionism

Several top retired military officers today wrote in the Washington Post against the president's stated intention to end the US military's ban on homosexuals. Excerpt: In our experience, and that of more than 1,000 retired flag and general officers who...

Wednesday April 15, 2009

In Europe, gay rights vs. religious liberty

Well, well, well: it seems that European Union lawmakers are considering legislation that could force churches to marry same-sex couples. The Telegraph reports that the EU proposal could also compel religious schools to admit people outside their religion -- this,...

Tuesday April 14, 2009

Maggie Gallagher: Don't give up marriage fight!

[cross-posted at Dallas Morning News editorial board blog] I heard from Maggie Gallagher the other day, who wrote to object to my view that the battle to stop same-sex marriage is lost was not only defeatist, but inaccurate. I told...

Monday April 13, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Anti-gay = racist?

Hey religious people, you have no excuse for not knowing what may be coming. An excerpt from a legal analysis that gives full airing to ramifications of the clash between gay civil liberties and religious freedom: It is difficult to...

Friday April 10, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Losing religious liberties: the evidence

Our gay friends and their supporters would have us believe that the idea that the advance of gay civil liberties necessitates the loss of some religious liberties is alarmist nonsense. There is a report in today's Washington Post documenting the...

Thursday April 9, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay marriage "Gathering Storm" ad

Here's the new ad put out by the National Organization for Marriage: The Human Rights Campaign calls the ad full of lies and distortion. See NOM president Maggie Gallagher and HRC's Joe Solomonese arguing the points last night on Hardball....

Wednesday April 8, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Vermont: Gay marriage is religious liberty threat

From Maggie Gallagher's latest column: But the Vermont same-sex marriage bill was a breakthrough in another way which has received zero attention in the press. For the very first time, a legislature has formally acknowledged that gay marriage poses a...

Tuesday April 7, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

The polygamy slippery slope

A Canadian writes: Those opposed to gay marriage said in 2004/2005 that if Canada allowed gay marriage then polygamy would follow. People who said that, like myself were called bigots, obviously detached from reality. Today we have had polygamy endorsed...

Tuesday April 7, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Vermont gets gay marriage the right way

I am opposed, as you know, to gay marriage, but if states are going to have it, Vermont just got it the right way: democratically, through legislative action. Of course it didn't start that way in Vermont, but that's how...

Tuesday April 7, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Religious Right & gay marriage compromise?

My Big Cheese Editor, Steve Waldman, last month floated a possible compromise between same-sex marriage supporters and religious conservatives. Excerpt: Gay activists should offer a deal to opponents of gay marriage: if you support gay marriage, we'll support efforts to...

Monday April 6, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Volokh on gay marriage slippery slope

There is a misperception among some supporters of gay marriage that the slippery slope argument is itself a logical fallacy. Not true. Some slopes really are slippery. Law professor Eugene Volokh, himself a supporter of same-sex marriage, points out here...

Monday April 6, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Iowa and the judicial usurpation of politics

Law professor Paul Campos backs gay marriage, but at the Daily Beast today, he dumps on the Iowa Supreme Court's decision as legally vapid and an exercise of political power. Excerpt: The point isn't that the justices of the Iowa...

Sunday April 5, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

The limits of arguing by analogy

Many times in the comboxes the past few days, I've seen supporters of same-sex marriage say that if you substitute the word "blacks" for "homosexuals" in the arguments against SSM, you would see that the same arguments made for maintaining...

Friday April 3, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay marriage, fear and skepticism

I know, I know, I'm worn out on the gay marriage topic too. But think about it: there's a reason why nothing gets people's dander up (and their fingers flying in the comboxes) like this topic. It touches on so...

Friday April 3, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay marriage forced on Iowa

Unanimously, the Iowa Supreme Court declares same-sex marriage a right in that state. From the ruling: The Iowa legislature amended the marriage statute in 1998 to define marriage as a union between only a man and a woman. But: [E]qual...

Friday April 3, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Conservatives on gay marriage: crazy bigots

Andrew Sullivan is still banging on about my "panic" over homosexuality, and his colleague Ta-Nehisi Coates likens me to a segregationist. Never mind that being accused of "panic" by Andrew is like being called a sot by Amy Winehouse, what...

Thursday April 2, 2009

Marriage: America's new class divide

Here's an interesting 2001 article by Jonathan Rauch, an eloquent advocate for gay marriage, who writes here not about same-sex marriage, but about marriage itself as the agent of class division. Excerpt: To understand the class implications of that news,...

Wednesday April 1, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Changing the definition of marriage

The thing we keep coming back to in these same-sex marriage discussion is whether or not extending marriage rights to gay couples will strengthen gay unions or undermine the concept of marriage. (Actually, that's not strictly true. For people who...

Tuesday March 31, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

How should trads talk about gay marriage?

I e-mailed Jim Kalb, author of "The Tyranny of Liberalism," to ask him how traditionalist conservatives should debate gay marriage. Here is his answer: Convinced gay-marriage proponents are likely to stay that way. It's like trying to argue a convert...

Monday March 30, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Dreher-Linker-Sullivan on gay marriage

Damon Linker and Andrew Sullivan have posted further thoughts about our same-sex marriage go-around since I last posted. I'll rush into this breach once, more. Come along if you can stand it. Though I strongly disagree with them both, this...

Thursday March 26, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Ideas and issues, liturgy and lechery

Lee Siegel: What we never hear about in the popular media--where intellectual discussion once took place--is debate over fundamental meanings, or essential definitions, or connections between seemingly unrelated phenomena. Those are the elements of an idea, which is the challenge...

Wednesday March 25, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Nine days vs. three months

Andrew Sullivan endorses Damon Linker's view that I have a "fixation" with gays. Hmm. According to my count, Andrew posted 18 times on homosexuality since March 16. In other words, he posted more in the last nine days on homosexuality...

Tuesday March 24, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Damon Linker and "The Gay Fixation"

Damon has a longish post up thwacking me for what he calls my "gay fixation." Let's unpack this. For starters, that title. I put nearly every blog post here that has anything more than a tangential relationship to homosexuality in...

Monday March 23, 2009

The small religious revolution

Andrew Sullivan hears from a reader. The reader went to some sort of Lenten event at the local Catholic parish, and saw something unusual. Excerpt: The other guy was one of those healthy-looking mature men who looked and sounded typical...

Tuesday March 3, 2009

Diversity -- or else!

A reader writes to say that people on this blog often sneer at claims that Christians are being oppressed or discriminated against, but he brings to my attention a story from the UK that is undeniably an attempt to marginalize...

Friday February 27, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Defamatory to call someone gay?

Slate poses the question, in light of changing social mores. Excerpt: In October 2007, Howard K. Stern, co-star of The Anna Nicole Show, filed a lawsuit claiming that he was defamed when the author of a tell-all book said he...

Monday February 23, 2009

Will social conservatives embrace Mormons?

I was e-mailing last night with a Mormon reader, and mentioned to her that despite our theological differences, I have boundless admiration for the way Mormons conduct their lives, and believe that if more Americans lived with the ethics of...

Saturday February 21, 2009

No Christian philosophers need apply

Via Frank Beckwith, disturbing news about a petition academic philosophers are circulating among the American Philosophical Association membership. From the petition: Many colleges and universities require faculty, students, and staff to follow certain 'ethical' standards which prohibit engaging in homosexual...

Wednesday February 11, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Eightmaps and privacy

Until a reader sent it to me this morning, I hadn't seen Andrew Sullivan's challenge on me on the Eightmaps.com thing he and I argued about some weeks ago.He basically says that the "hordes" of gays haven't descended on the...

Monday February 9, 2009

When do you "martyr" yourself?

At the monastery this weekend, there was an academic conference going on. One of the papers was about drawing lessons from St. Cyprian's writings during an early age of martyrdom -- lessons that Christians living in contemporary liberal democracies can...

Saturday January 31, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

The Bilitis Option

If you ever found yourself asking, "I wonder what communes of radical lesbian separatists are up to these days?", well, here's your answer. Getting old and dying out, basically. Building a community based on paranoia against penis people leads to...

Thursday January 29, 2009

Categories: Catholicism, Homosexuality

How dare you question the great gay hope?

Timothy Egan in the NYTimes takes on the scandal surrounding Sam Adams, the mayor of Portland and the first homosexual mayor of a major US city: The politician was in his 40s, a rising star, a man with the pilot...

Monday January 26, 2009

New Ted Haggard sex scandal

Turns out that Pastor Ted Haggard had been boffing a young male church volunteer -- not a minor, thank goodness -- for some time, and the church paid the fellow an undisclosed sum to go away, though that's not how...

Friday January 23, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality, Media

Same-sex marriage double media standard

Front-page story in the Dallas Morning News today: the first Lone Star gay divorce. Here's how it starts: In what could further define the rights of same-sex couples in Texas and beyond, a Dallas man has filed for divorce from...

Thursday January 15, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Privacy, personal safety and the Internet

Conor Friedersdorf, on the Eightmaps argument between Andrew and me: But I wonder if part of the gulf that separates how Andrew and Rod react to this doesn't have to do with the different ways they've reacted personally tobeing public...

Thursday January 15, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Eightmaps, Abortionmaps, Godhatesfagsmaps...

From the Nuremberg Files, a website for radical pro-lifers: We need the following: 1) Photos or videotapes of the abortionist, their car, their house, friends, and anything else of interest (as many and as recent as possible); 2) Current and...

Thursday January 15, 2009

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Eightmaps and the strange knock at your door

Andrew Sullivan doesn't understand why people dislike Eightmaps.com: And that is surely one useful element of the map. It helps one see whom to engage. And I don't get the fear. If Prop 8 supporters truly feel that barring equality...

Monday January 12, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Prop 8 and too much information

Here is a Google map that allows you to find your way to the homes of people who donated money to Prop 8 in California. It's damn creepy, is what it is. What could possibly be the use of this...

Thursday January 8, 2009

Categories: Homosexuality

Tintin, gay?

The case for Tintin's homosexuality. Excerpt: Billions of blue blistering barnacles, isn't it staring us in the face? Sometimes a thing's so obvious it's hard to see where the debate could start. What debate can there be when the evidence...

Wednesday December 24, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality, Media, Sexuality

The sex-obsessed American media

It is a central paradox of our culture war that American liberals, as a general rule, judge most everything by whether or not it advances the sexual revolution -- yet accuse the Catholic Church (and more broadly, religious conservatives) of...

Tuesday December 23, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Why are gays picking this Rick Warren fight?

Michael Sean Winters, a progressive Catholic writing on the America magazine blog (hardly a right-wing bastion), really is put out over the hoo-ha over Rick Warren. Excerpt: The hysteria on the Left, especially gay rights activists, over President-elect Barack Obama's...

Tuesday December 23, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Is Rick Warren for civil unions?

It has been widely reported that Rick Warren is against gay marriage, but favors civil unions. His interview earlier this month with Bnet's Steve Waldman indicated that he does favor civil unions. I hadn't seen, nor has it been widely...

Tuesday December 23, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality, Race

The black Rick Warren

John McWhorter points out an inconvenient truth to gay activists and the progressive base: Do [Rick] Warren's un-PC views really merit so much agita over his participation in the inaugural? Let's try a thought experiment: Suppose Obama had invited black...

Monday December 22, 2008

Rick Warren: Gay marriage moderate

According to a recent Newsweek poll (scroll down to Question 11 for details), 32 percent of Americans back civil unions, but not same-sex marriage rights; 31 percent favor full marriage rights for gay couples; and 30 percent favor no legal...

Thursday December 18, 2008

The purpose-driven hissy fit

All hail Mighty Favog for coining that phrase to describe the reaction gay activists are having to Obama's choosing Rick Warren to pray at his Inaugural. Says Favog: But to believe what mankind has held fast for more than 5,000...

Tuesday December 9, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Miller and Meacham on gay marriage (Erin)

Believe me, I did not plan to spend this much time this week talking about gay marriage and gay rights issues. But I'd be remiss if I continued to ignore the Newsweek cover essay by Lisa Miller that's got people...

Monday December 8, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Calling in gay? (Erin)

A new form of gay rights protest is taking shape: same-sex marriage supporters are calling for people to "call in gay" and stay home from work on Wednesday: Some same-sex marriage supporters are urging people to "call in gay" Wednesday...

Friday December 5, 2008

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

No mob veto on Prop 8

The non-partisan, non-sectarian Becket Fund for Religious Liberty bought a full-page ad in today's NYTimes calling on opponents of Prop 8 to cease and desist their violence against and harrassment of Mormons and others who supported the measure to overturn...

Tuesday November 25, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Fighting the gay blacklist

John Diaz, a San Francisco newspaper columnist who supports same-sex marriage speaks out against the gay blacklisters. Excerpt: A supporter of Proposition 8, fed up with what he believed was the gay community's and "liberal media's" refusal to accept the...

Thursday November 20, 2008

Love and manners in a time of culture war

My latest from Culture 11. Excerpt: Earlier this week I published a newspaper column in which I observed that the victory of social conservatives in California's Proposition 8 fight was, alas, a Pyrrhic one. Though no consensus on gay marriage...

Wednesday November 19, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

You must submit!

Lawsuit forces online dating service eHarmony to offer service to gays and lesbians. eHarmony said it will launch the new same-sex dating site, named "Compatible Partners," by March 31. The settlement was the result of a discrimination complaint filed by...

Tuesday November 18, 2008

Stand by the Mormons

A friend in California writes about the situation there for those who supported Prop 8: Things are pretty grim. On the ground pastors are worried, and for my Mormon friends it is very bad. No LDS person in their right...

Monday November 17, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Gay mob assaults peaceful Christians

Mark Shea points to this video of a small group of peaceable Christians who had to be protected by a phalanx of San Francisco police as they walked through the gay Castro District in San Francisco. Otherwise, it's clear they...

Monday November 17, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

How same-sex marriage harms 1st Amendment liberties

News from the Becket Fund. Excerpt: The Becket Fund undertook a survey of over 1000 state anti-discrimination laws to assess how those laws would affect conscientious objectors to same-sex marriage if same-sex marriage were legally recognized. We looked specifically at...

Sunday November 16, 2008

Mormons can't win

It is interesting -- and to me, sad -- to reflect that the Mormons started out this year being treated with fear and suspicion by Evangelicals and other Christians, with regard to Mitt Romney's candidacy, and are ending this year...

Sunday November 16, 2008

On gay marriage, no tenable compromise

Here's my column from today's Dallas Morning News, in which I write that conservatives may have won the Prop 8 battle, but we're losing, and are going to lose, the war over same-sex marriage rights. Why? Two reasons, basically: demographics,...

Saturday November 15, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality, Media, Orthodoxy

Metropolitan Jonah's election video

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a lovely four-minute video diary of the OCA's All-American Council, including the "habemus papam" moment when Archbishop Dmitri came out to announce that Bishop Jonah had been elected Metropolitan. It's not narrated, just well-edited video that...

Friday November 14, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Lavender brownshirts on the march

I posted something like this in the comboxes of the most recent gay marriage thread, but this brilliant software ate it, as it has been eating so many of your comments. So hell, I'll just post a new entry. John...

Thursday November 13, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

A thought experiment

What if traditional Christians, Jews and Muslims got the list of Californians who donated to the anti-Prop 8 campaign, and began to boycott businesses where they worked on the grounds that these people gave money to a cause that would...

Thursday November 13, 2008

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

The lavender blacklist?

A prominent theatrical director in California, a Mormon, has resigned under pressure because of his support for Prop 8. Excerpt: Marc Shaiman, the Tony Award-winning composer ("Hairspray"), called Mr. Eckern last week and said that he would not let his...

Thursday November 6, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Needed: straight talk on gay marriage

My friend Virginia Postrel, who was foursquare against Prop 8, argues that what she calls the "hide-the-gays" strategy Prop 8 opponents followed in California hurt their cause. She says it'll be six to eight years before gay marriage is legal...

Wednesday November 5, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

The same-sex legal mess in CA

Prof. Bainbridge and Eugene Volokh separately discuss the legal intricacies of the Prop. 8 victory in California, and whether or not it's likely to be overturned by the state Supreme Court. Apparently there's an argument -- a strained on, but...

Wednesday November 5, 2008

Categories: Culture, Homosexuality

Voters outlaw gay marriage in California

The votes have been counted, and Californians have amended the state's constitution to overturn the state Supreme Court's decision granting same-sex marriage rights. "We caused Californians to rethink this issue," Proposition 8 strategist Jeff Flint said. Early in the campaign,...

Tuesday November 4, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Mormon anti-gay home invasion!

This hysterical anti-Prop 8 ad really is flat-out scaremongering religious bigotry against Mormons. If the LDS church had produced an ad showing a gay couple breaking into someone's house and stealing or seducing their children, it would be about on...

Thursday October 23, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality, Race, Varia

Gay Nazi love

It turns out that recently deceased far-right Austrian leader Jorg Haider had been having a torrid affair with his male second-in-command, Stefan Petzner, who has confessed all. The party has tossed him overboard. Excerpt: In emotional interviews with the national...

Wednesday October 15, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Newsom & truth about gay marriage

The showboating Mayor of San Francisco is doing good work to get gay marriage defeated at the California polls in November, says Maggie Gallagher. Excerpt: Instead of standing their ground and defending their moral views, gay marriage advocates are simply...

Friday October 10, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality

Same-sex marriage by judicial fiat

The judges of Connecticut have spoken. Just like that, the institution is changed forever, without the consent of the governed. Resistance is futile. Isn't it interesting how we just shrug nowadays at this and move on...? I am reminded of...

Sunday August 31, 2008

Categories: Homosexuality, Republicans

Log Cabin Republicans at GOP convention

I made a new friend on the flight up: Rob Schlein, head of the Log Cabin Republicans of Dallas County. Rob and his partner flew up as guests of the GOP. As he explains in the short video interview below,...

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Rod Dreher is an editorial columnist for the Dallas Morning News, and author of "Crunchy Cons" (Crown Forum), a nonfiction book about conservatives, most of them religious, whose faith and political convictions sometimes put them at odds with mainstream conservatives. The views expressed in this blog are his own.

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