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posted by jmcgee | 7:42am Monday November 23, 2009

“Holy Communion in the Catholic Church is one of the holy sacraments. Practicing Roman Catholics believe in extreme unction; in other words, that the wine and unleavened bread are transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ – a belief that in itself, is somewhat controversial.”

– Rachel Stockton, writing about the Kennedy-Tobin standoff at Foodconsumer.org.
H/T Ed Peters


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rick

posted November 23, 2009 at 8:33 am


Jesus Christ has always been controversial, his murder by the High Preists of his own faith may be found some what so.
There is no controversey in take this all of you and eat, this is my body which will be given up for you, or take this all of you and drink, this is a cup of my blood. Either you believe or you don’t ,if you are a Roman Catholic you do and if you don’t then your profession of faith is a lie and you are not a Roman Catholic.
Seems some things are so simple that they must be unacceptable, life begins at conception and the voluntary killing by what ever means used is simply murder. It was alive and it was killed how hard is that to understand.If you are in a tree and step off of a branch you most certainly don’t fall up do you?



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Christian Alberto Ledesma

posted November 23, 2009 at 8:39 am


This is awful! Especially since a quick Google search gets you to the Catholic Encyclopedia definition:
A sacrament of the New Law instituted by Christ to give spiritual aid and comfort and perfect spiritual health, including, if need be, the remission of sins, and also, conditionally, to restore bodily health, to Christians who are seriously ill; it consists essentially in the unction by a priest of the body of the sick person, accompanied by a suitable form of words.
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And I agree with Rick above, there is no controversy within the Church. It’s controversial to confuse the Sacraments . . .



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jen ambrose

posted November 23, 2009 at 8:50 am


A Catholic Encyclopedia isn’t even necessary. A dictionary would suffice.



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Bob

posted November 23, 2009 at 9:07 am


This is an excellent example of the knowledge about and attitude toward religion in general and Catholicism in particular held by contemporary journalists. Too many are unsophisticated in their knowledge of religion and lazy about informing themselves because their attitude is that, since religion doesn’t matter to them, it doesn’t (or shouldn’t) matter to anyone. So, it doesn’t matter if they get it right. They don’t care, and no one else should, either. What’s sad is that so many (most?) Catholics rely on the MSM for their information on the Church. It would never occur to them to read Catholic sources.
Come to think of it, the above may describe journalists’ approach to many subjects, not just religion. It certainly does seem that too many are unsophisticated and lazy in their reporting.



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Cindy

posted November 23, 2009 at 9:36 am


I’m still trying to figure out the connection to the Kennedy-Tobin controversy and food consuming.
It simply cannot be “bread and wine.”
It cannot.
Please.



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Michael Hallman

posted November 23, 2009 at 9:48 am


Perhaps much worse than that silly mistake by the author is the following comment made to the post:
“It looks like everyone noted the mistake regarding Unction, but I think most Catholics also understand that the Holy Sacrament is SYMBOLIC and that we understand that Jesus also meant for the act to be symboic. Not that we actually think it turns into the body/blood of Christ….literally. C’mon, get your act together or don’t write articles in the future. GEEZ!”
It may be sadly true that a majority of Catholics do think of the Sacrament as merely symbolic. I hope it’s not, but it might be. But a comment like the above certainly gives some indication of how badly sound catechesis is needed for Catholics today, young and old alike.



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Todd

posted November 23, 2009 at 9:51 am


I don’t know about this. If we asked our evangelical “buddies” they might question the controversy angle, too, but in a different way.
Journalists are ignorant about many things: science, history, geography, and even good grammar and spelling. Catholicism thinks it’s different? Take a number.



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matthew

posted November 23, 2009 at 10:15 am


Someone considers foodconsumer.org as a reputable place for serious news? The fact that someone considers the article anything more than a personal opinion says more about the judge than the writer. We atheists have to put up with a lot more literal biblical rants from fundamentalists than you can possibly imagine. Let it go.



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Michelle

posted November 23, 2009 at 10:20 am


And the author’s subsequent comment indicates she still needs help fact checking:
“Nine in ten weekly Mass attendees (91 percent) say they believe that Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist, compared to two-thirds of those who attend Mass less than weekly but at least once a month (65 percent)….”
From CARA’s 2008 study of American Roman Catholics.
Clearly the majority practicing Roman Catholics in the US believe in the Real Presence (and given that it correlates so well with regular Mass attendance, suggests to me that we are doing a good job with being reverential with respect to the Body and Blood of Christ in the celebration of the Eucharist, despite rhetoric to the contrary!).
Alas, my experience with science is similar. We are not very interested as a society as a whole in facts or data, despite the amount we collect.



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Michelle

posted November 23, 2009 at 10:24 am


…speaking of checking, I just realized the comment about the Eucharist being “symbolic” wasn’t by the author. Mea culpa!



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rick

posted November 23, 2009 at 10:37 am


The High Preists of our day may be Kennedy’s. Homily yesterday: How awful it is for people to put bumper stickers on vehicles that say “pray for our President” then send you to Psalm 109? I have to admit I was not familiar with the verse so of course imediatley after mass I had to run home and look. Father Cosmos was most indignant over the bumper sticker and had he found a Bible he would have read the Psalm to the congregation?
Okay. I read the Psalm and I am lacking in indignation, now I fear Hell because I feel that as a country we are headed into Godlessness and Anarchy and what ever measures are needed to stop the fall are justified.



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Cavaliere

posted November 23, 2009 at 11:07 am


The error in the author’s statement has nothing to do with the controversy of changing wine and unleavenend bread into the Body and Blood of Christ. What the author failed to check (and maybe some of the readers) was that the Sacrament of Extreme Unction is also known as ‘Last Rites’ or the Anointing of the Sick. It has nothing to do with changing wine and Bread.
The Catholic belief that the changing of wine and bread into the Body and Blood of Christ is known as Transubstantiation.



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Paula Gonzales Rohrbacher

posted November 23, 2009 at 12:07 pm


This reminds me of a short lived forensic investigation show where the main character, refers to Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion who visit home bound people as “Lectors”!



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Deacaon Brian

posted November 23, 2009 at 8:03 pm


Brother Greg,
It wasn’t very nice of you to let poor Rachel embarrass herself on your blog.



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Deacon Scott

posted November 23, 2009 at 8:36 pm


I am wondering, did the final sentence, the one cut mercifully short by you ellpses, end with the words “n’ stuff”?



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Frank

posted November 25, 2009 at 3:39 pm


“And in that regard, last of all, I’m thankful that a new system of communication exists by which I can write whatever the hell I’m thinking on any given day, with no benefit of research, no fact-checking and very little personal responsibility attached. In short, I’m very thankful for the Internet.”
http://stanleybing.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/11/23/what-are-you-thankful-for/



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Frank

posted November 25, 2009 at 3:41 pm


And in that regard, last of all, I’m thankful that a new system of communication exists by which I can write whatever the hell I’m thinking on any given day, with no benefit of research, no fact-checking and very little personal responsibility attached. In short, I’m very thankful for the Internet.
http://stanleybing.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/11/23/what-are-you-thankful-for/



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Deacon Greg Kandra

posted November 25, 2009 at 3:58 pm


Frank …
True fact: I once had a job interview with “Stanley Bing.”
Dcn. G.



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