Flirting with Faith

Calling All Storytellers: The Witch and the Christian Part 2

Saturday July 4, 2009

This is the second part of a previous post where I introduced kenneth, a commenter on the blog whose spiritual journey has taken him from Catholicism to Paganism. Toward the end of his story, he makes a statement that I found...
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kenneth
July 4, 2009 12:25 PM

It's a great concept and I hope it inspires an interesting discussion. Most of the blogosphere consists of people preaching to their own choirs or yelling at each other, and it's all fun to indulge in from time to time, but it's terribly predictable and not very elightening at all.

The ARIS survey certainly shows that faith identity is a very dynamic thing in this country these days, and it would be very interesting to see how it plays out in real-life cases. On the whole, I think all of the movement in various directions is a positive thing. People are making some concious choices about their spiritual journeys rather than sitting where they're planted and going through the motions. I look forward to reading the submissions.

Joan Ball
July 4, 2009 1:51 PM

Thanks for your encouragement kenneth and for the part your story played in sparking the idea. I hope you will be so kind as to let people know what I'm up to and encourage them to participate. Have a happy 4th...

credis
July 4, 2009 4:36 PM

story telling about spiritual journeys is . . . fiction.

Joan Ball
July 5, 2009 12:25 AM

Hi Credis: I hesitate to characterize your dismissal of God and the spiritual journey's of others as atheism or by any other name. However, I would love to learn more about what you do (or do not) believe and how you got there. Perhaps you would consider sharing your story as part of this new initiative...

credis
July 6, 2009 1:43 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/02/turkey-penitents-compete-gameshow

i don't believe in religion, which is based on faith. i do believe in facts, which are self-evident truths, and in granting the kooky and confused people of in this world lots of open space to thrash about in.

part of my journey away from religion has been due to the whole cultural aspect of it. i would never support a particular scientific theory on based on x because I was born in y [cf. link].

i don't think is anything inherently spiritual about being born in northeastern america and winding up with someone who to wears crosses on his clothes, or by experiencing what you describe as a miraculous conversion after dealing with alcohol abuse, drug abuse and food abuse.

credis
July 6, 2009 2:16 AM

oh, and thanks for hesitating to characterize me as an atheist.

i would call myself an anti-theist with lots of patience for people who don't make sense.

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststheism/a/AntiTheism.htm

Joan Ball
July 6, 2009 10:59 AM

Hi Credis: Thanks for responding. I also would have fallen into the anti-theist camp had I been familiar with that language at the time, which is why I made the distinction. As for their being anything inherently spiritual about being born in northeastern America, etc. I agree. There is nothing inherently spiritual about the day-to-day elements of my life against the backdrop of a world filled with billions of people living theirs. That is what I like about storytelling and people sharing the ins and outs of their lives with one another. It highlights a paradox - we humans are both insignificant and important and our lives are both worthy of sharing with one another and of no consequence. I am genuinely interested in your anti-theistic views, but less from the "what an anti-theist believes" perspective and more of the "this is what I believed when I was as a kid, this is what happened to form my anti-theism and this is where I am now" perspective. There are loads of places on the Internet for the "my belief (or non-belief) is better than your belief" debate. I am hoping we can buck that trend and have a different conversation.

credis
July 6, 2009 4:22 PM

i didn't believe anything as a kid, really.

i went through the motions, going to church, taking communion, etc. and that's about it. oh, and i read the bible, which i didn't think could actually be the word of god with a big g. and i read passages from the koran. and about different religions in books from the neighborhood library.

i remember that siddhartha, an allegorical novel by hermann hesse, made a big impression, as did biser, the glass bead game.

i didn't start thinking hard about religion until i turned 17 and encountered people who said and acted religious. they seemed a little screwy and never made much sense (when they talked about their faith). they still don't.

i don't hold it against them. i feel sorry for them.

credis
July 6, 2009 9:30 PM

so it's live and let live with the devout.

i don't hunt them down for arguments.

but when i meet them in person,

or encounter them on the internet,

i usually say hello. and point out that

they are standing on very thin ice.

i am not an entertainer,

although i do enjoy box dancing.

Peter J. Walker
July 9, 2009 12:33 AM
http://www.emergingchristian.com

I used to live across the street from a satanist. Well, he was an "ex-satanist." Or maybe even an "ex-satanist-by-birth." He told me a story about his father, who was a satanist priest. When my neighbor was 13, he told me he stood over a tied up woman with a knife, compelled by his father and others to kill her. He left, and never saw his father again.

Maybe he was just telling stories. I do know he'd been in-and-out of prison for much of his life.

When we met, he had two toddler children, and they were all that mattered to him. He took them to church once - my church. He told me he felt so unwelcome he'd never go back. People got up and moved when he sat down with his kids...

Dunno if it's relevant to the conversation, but everyone has a story, and every one I have heard has enriched my life, and my understanding of truth, lies, goodness, grace and evil.

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Joan Ball is a professor of communication and marketing and author of the upcoming book, Flirting with Faith: My Journey from Atheism to Agnosticism to a Devoted Life. A lifelong seeker/skeptic who was raised without a prescribed notion of God, she experienced a dramatic and unlikely conversion to Christianity at age 37. She brings to the Beliefnet conversation an insider/outsider perspective on living a faith that both delights and confounds her.

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