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With Election Day finally having come and gone, God-o-Meter is closing up shop till 2012--or at least 2010. Till then, get your faith and politics fix over at Beliefnet editor-in-chief Steve Waldman's blog.
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posted 4:32:33pm Nov. 19, 2008 |
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On The Religious Left, Great Expectations
The first priorities for Barack Obama's administration will be the economy and a variety of foreign policy issues. But the burgeoning religious left, which worked so hard to get Obama elected, expects some movement on its issues, including a robust White House office of faith-based initiatives, pove
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Howard Dean's Vindication
God-o-Meter wrote a piece for today's Roll Call on the vindication of Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean's much-derided 50-State Strategy, which is largely about reaching out to the nation's more religious voters in the red states:
Years before Barack Obama showed that a liberal Demo
posted 2:01:06pm Nov. 06, 2008 |
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A Post-Election Chat with Ralph Reed
Amid today's talk that Barack Obama has narrowed the God Gap, God-o-Meter checked in with Ralph Reed, who spearheaded religious outreach for George W. Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns and who pioneered such outreach for Republicans as executive director of the Christian Coalition.
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posted 3:09:07pm Nov. 05, 2008 |
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More Innacurate Faith Storylines From the Media
God-o-Meter is struck by the number of faith-based storylines the news media appear to have gotten dead wrong this year.
One was the line that Obama was poised to make big gains among white votes, especially evangelicals, who were undergoing a generational shift in their political thinking and reexa
posted 11:53:20am Nov. 05, 2008 |
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posted December 14, 2007 at 9:08 am
If ANYONE needs to apologize for what they believe, it is Mormons.
Koseph Smith started the deigrating position when he had his “vision” in a forrest. Jesus is not the spiritual brother of Satan. God did not have sexual relations with Mary.
And so on and son on.
Huckabee asked a well-reasoned and legitimate “question.”
If Mormons do not want to answer questions about their completely different theology than that of Jesus and the Apostles . . ., then why do they send out “missionaries” as an inescapable requirement of their “Church?”
As Sting once sang: “Truth hits everybody, truth hits everyone.”
It is Mormon theology that has done something wrong.
posted December 14, 2007 at 9:09 am
That’s “Joseph Smith,” AND, so on and so on.
posted December 14, 2007 at 9:27 am
He has said to CBN (and elsewhere) that his “theology degree” uniquely qualifies him for President. However, Huckabee doesn’t have a theology degree. He has been promoting a “theolgoy degree” since nearly the start of his campaign. Huckabee holds a BA in Religion/Speech and one year at a Southwest Baptist Theological before dropping out to work with James Robison. So ever never got the theolgoy degree. Further, there is a vast difference between a theology degree and a BA in Religion/Speech.
I’m not knocking a BA in Religion/Speech, but there is a vast difference between that and a theology degree, for Huckabee to refer to his degree as a “theology degree” is a gross misrepresentation of his credentials.
This is likely to get a little more scrutiny with the whole Mormon flap. Huckabee’s choice of words when he refers to his credentials makes him appear to have one type of education, when in actuality he had something quite different.
posted December 14, 2007 at 9:29 am
No sooner do I click away from here and go over to NRO and see the following
“About that Theology Degree [Lisa Schiffren]
So, I am a little obsessed with Mike Huckabee’s qualifications for the most powerful job in the world. Like all of you, I have been wondering how it is that a man who went to college (Ouachita Baptist University) for 2 years, and Seminary for 1 year managed to gain entry to the ministry, let alone have a successful career as a preacher and congregational leader in the Southern Baptist Church. And, just in time, Slate Magazine has answered the question. They also report on what the curriculum would have been, and whether it included Mormonism 101.”
Looks like a few others with a bit of journalistic curiosity are wondering about his credentials as well.
posted December 14, 2007 at 10:11 am
And from the Washington Post today, “Code Huckabee”
Even more troubling is the way he deals with questions about Romney’s Mormon faith. Huckabee studied theology as a seminarian, yet when asked about Mormonism he becomes a country bumpkin who doesn’t know anything beyond the rumors he has heard.
Perhaps the damage to Romney has been done, but has it opened up even more troubling questions about Huckabee’s credentials?
posted December 14, 2007 at 1:25 pm
I think Noonan nails the feelings of many about Huckabee’s apology
“Mr. Huckabee has of course announced that he apologizes to Mr. Romney, which allowed him to elaborate on his graciousness and keep the story alive. He should have looked abashed. Instead he betrayed the purring pleasure of “a Christian with four aces,” in Mark Twain’s words.”
Exactly the point I was making about Huckabee running to the camera after making his apology to Mitt.
posted December 14, 2007 at 1:55 pm
A regular person can be president “of the people.” I don’t vote for a man based on an Ivy league education. Truman didn’t have a degree at all and he made a fine president. It’s the fact that Huckabee claimed to have a theology degree as a credential for the war on terror…
He said to a CBN reporter which is recorded on David Brody’s blog,
“I’m as strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I’m stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It’s a theocratic war. And I don’t know if anybody fully understands that. I’m the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well.”
He’s using a credential he doesn’t hold to persuade voters that it qualfies him for office. He wants us to believe something about him that isn’t true. Huckabee is lying about his credentials.
There is a vast difference between a theology degree and what he holds and he knows it. He dropped out of seminary after one year. There is no shame it that, but yet he still wants to claim the credential of someone who did the work and earned the theology degree. That’s a problem for me and now that I know he doesn’t hold a theology degree, does that mean he is just as unqualified as the rest of the guys in the GOP because they don’t have a theology degree either.
Huckabee is presenting himself as theologian here to persuade us he’s the strongest candidate on terror, and then he presents himself as “clueless” to a NY Times reporter on Mormonism. Huckabee can’t keep his own identity straight.
We can debate whether we need an Ivy League Bush or a self-educated Truman in the White House any time. I personally don’t have a preference. But one thing I think we both agree is that we need someone who can be honest about which one he is. Huckabee can’t seem to keep straight exactly what his credentials are let alone, what they qualify him to do.
Huckabee has misrepresented himself to the American people. It is up to him to explain why he’s saying he holds a theology degree when he does not.
posted December 14, 2007 at 2:37 pm
The reporter that old Huck made the original comments to had his own interesting comments. He said at the time it happened he knew what Huck was trying to do and Huck knew he knew… He was quoted as saying “Huckabee can spin it any way he wants..”
It’s no different than Hillary digging up Obama’s kindergarten report card and asking if he not only did drugs but sold them. It’s all gross. I don’t buy for one second Huckabee’s old southern charm routine. He’s a snake. Period. Supposed men of God, oh excuse me “The true Christian candidate” don’t stir the pot on other faiths. Except when you think it will help you get ahead. He wants to be held to a higher standard, I’ll hold him to one.
If you pray to a God you’d better in hopes he doesn’t get the GOP nomination. The dem’s are gonna eat him alive and spit him out. I don’t think he’s smart enough or quick enough to survive it. His record on spending and forgiving murderers is too characteristic of a democrat.
Oh, and the “deal breaker” issue with me is illegal immigration. He’s drinking too much of the evangelical Kool-aid if he thinks he’s gonna work his way out of the “discounted college tuition” for illegals plan he had as govenor. That pisses people off. Especially those who haven’t yet figured out how to put their “American citizen” children thru college.
I’ve lost a 10 year old nephew, a brother in law and a sister because an illegal killed them. And no, he didn’t even get deported. Huckabee wanted to help the very person who destroyed my family and affected future generations. There.
posted December 14, 2007 at 3:10 pm
in a speech on foreign policy, delivered at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC; Huckabee told the audience there about his theology degree,
“Many Iranians are well-disposed toward us. We should remember that on 9/11, while there was dancing in the street in other parts of the Muslim world, there were candlelight vigils and mourning in Tehran. When we first invaded Afghanistan, Iran helped us, especially in our dealings with their allies, the Northern Alliance. They wanted to join us in fighting Al Qaeda, hoping this would lead to better U. S.-Iranian relations. The CIA and the State Department supported this partnership, but some in the White House and Pentagon did not. When President Bush included Iran in his Axis of Evil, everything went downhill fast. As the only presidential candidate with a theology degree, along with years of political experience, I know that theology is black and white, but politics is not. My enemy today on one issue is my friend tomorrow on another.”
So once again, a credential that Huckabee doesn’t hold is used to tell us that it will help him handle Iran. And that including Iran in the Axis of Evil was a mistake because they could be our friend tomorrow. This is not a man I want leading foreign policy who worries more about how enemies who want to kill us today, will think of us tomorrow.
posted December 14, 2007 at 3:52 pm
“This is not a man I want leading foreign policy who worries more about how enemies who want to kill us today, will think of us tomorrow.”
I agree Spunky
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“My enemy today on one issue is my friend tomorrow on another.”
Hello? Can’t think of anything I’d want to befriend the Pres of Iran about tomorrow or when hell freezes over. It looks as if you can’t leave the pastor out of the politician. Forgivness doesn’t always work AT WORK. Look at his record on getting murderers out of jail. I mean seriously…
I don’t know if the “softer” side is necessarily a great trait as president.
Found this funny in a sick sort of way.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019258.php
“Aside from Huckabee’s inability to provide an account of the Dumond affair that’s consistent with the evidence, there are reports that Huckabee received hundreds of gifts as governor the value of which exceeded $100,000 in one year. One of the donors apparently was appointed to a state commission. Huckabee and his wife also registered for gifts as they were planning to leave the governor’s mansion and move into a home they had recently purchased. In a related matter, Huckabee removed the drapes from the governor’s mansion when he left.
There was no violation here; the drapes had been one of the many gifts. As a friend from Arkansas told me, Huckabee wasn’t a corrupt governor; just a tacky one. The best face I can put on his interview with the Times would be that Huckabee isn’t a religious bigot, he’s just too quick to stick the knife in.”
Registered for gifts at dilliards??? I’m laughing now but if his poll numbers keep surging I’ll be crying.
posted December 14, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Huckabee now admits he doesn’t have a theology degree but that he did take some theology classes.
Here’s what he said,
“”I have a bachelor of arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work. And then I have 46 hours on a master’s degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters — three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in Seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion.”
So I took theology classes, but my degree was in religion. So why does he claim he has a theology degree and not a religion degree? The distinction is not small and he knows it, that’s why?
And if his degree is in “religion” how is it that he is clueless about Mormonism? Huckabee talks in circles. Lauding and insulting his degree at the same time.
posted December 15, 2007 at 12:17 am
Folks, berating someone because of the type of degree they hold is off the point. Huck’s personal weakness is the issue here, not his education. The personal weakness I speak of is his dishonesty. He lied about what he knows about LDS theology and he didn’t have to. Baptist preachers are professionals when it comes to “cult” faiths as they are fond of calling them. So why did he lie? I think it is because he is a bigot, plain and simple. He could have commented about LDS theology when and if asked or taken the Romney approach but he didn’t. He reverted back to what he knows so well. He used it as a weapon and then wanted not to be held accountable for it. That is what makes his so called “apology” a farce and really just another lie.
posted December 15, 2007 at 10:44 am
JLFuller,
“The personal weakness I speak of is his dishonesty”
I agree and Drudge picked up on it today with a link to the CBN reporter that the quote first came from.