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Bill Donohue's Take on Hagee's Apology

Tuesday May 13, 2008

Categories: John McCain
The case is closed on John Hagee, the Texas evangelist whose endorsement of John McCain set off a national controversy because of allegations that Hagee's books and sermons contain anti-Catholic rhetoric. Or at least it's closed according to Bill Donohue....
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Donny
May 13, 2008 10:55 PM

Umm, have Catholics ever apologized for their stance that anyone not Catholic isn't a Christian? Catholics have not one shred of proof of that from anything actually written by the Apostles or disciples, and nothing from any of the Gospels, and yet the "Catholic" position is firm on that incorrect and insulting position.

Any Catholics out there want to step up to the "I'm sorry" mic?

billTuba
May 14, 2008 10:13 AM

Donny -

"Umm, have Catholics ever apologized for their stance that anyone not Catholic isn't a Christian?"

Please cite your proof that Catholics teach or ever taught this.

I'll help where to start looking: Canon Law, the Cathecism, ANY Encyclical
or any Church document ever written.

Good luck!

BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th)
May 14, 2008 10:58 AM

>>Umm, have Catholics ever apologized for their stance that anyone not Catholic isn't a Christian?

>Please cite your proof that Catholics teach or ever taught this.

I reply: Catholics simply have never taught this. Sure technically Catholics believe Protestants are heretics(& vice versa) but the Council of Trent says their Baptisms are valid as long as they do it with water In the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.

Protestants are Christians. UnBiblical heterodox Christians from a Catholic perspective but Christians non the less.


Anonymous
May 14, 2008 12:28 PM

It seems Donny needs to apologize for bearing false witness.

God-o-Meter
May 14, 2008 5:40 PM

Isn't this a really big issue between many religious traditions and even among the denominations within those traditions? Don't lots of traditions and denominations look upon other ones as false or heretical, with not-so-pleasant consequences for adherents of those other traditions/denominations? In other words, aren't their billions of beleivers who believe other purported believers are going to hell?

graceandglory
May 15, 2008 8:55 PM

"Outside the Church there is no salvation."


From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
818,819
One cannon charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities...and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers...All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.

Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church.
...
Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation...
...All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."


Paul Shiras
May 19, 2008 12:48 PM

"But receive everyone who come in the Name of the Lord, and prove and know him afterward; for you shall have understanding right and left."--The Didsache, Chapter 12-The Reception of Christians.

Maybe this needs to be posted on the doors of All Churches.

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