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What frustrates me about the American Church and politics is that the Church is allowing itself to be played by what is essentially and Constitutionally a secular government and poltical system. Jesus never fell for it, and neither should the Church being that it currently represents Jesus in the interim before His return. Remember, when He was asked whether Israelites should pay taxes to their Roman rulers, despite good reason to the contrary, Jesus did not take the bait. He responded "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." The Church as a religious institution should not engage in political activism to bring about heaven on earth through the law, but instead focus on winning the hearts of man over to the gospel and lordship of Jesus Christ by first and foremost living the example of Jesus.
Religion in America requires a roadmap, no less than the political factions. Most Evangelical leaders could have warned McCain about Hagee. Richard Land with the SBC could have warned him. There are websites available. Wikipedia is there, fer cryin' out loud. Hagee isn't an Evangelical. You don't seek someone's endorsement if you don't know them and what they stand for. McCain's people were just plain lazy; and this gaffe shows that they don't have anyone they can simply ring up and confidently ask, "Hey, what can you tell me about So-and-So?".
After reading McCain's comments and his rejection of Hagee and Parsley, I both called and emailed McCain's camp to share with them that they had lost my vote, my wife's vote and five other votes I know of last night. I have always voted Republican, until this year. I don't believe McCain realizes how much this is going to cost him. I believe he will lose a million votes (as least), over his actions as well as the White House. As soon as I can, I am going to cancel all Republican emails, etc. that I receive and have my name taken off the roll as a Republican. I have not left the party, the party has left me.
James, what was it about this incident that pushed your button? Do you feel that McCain should have stood by these ministers in spite of their statements? Do you agree with their statements?
How do we know that Hitler wasn't an instrument of God's will? Or that Katrina did not represent the wrath of God? Does God use the weather as an instrument of his will. How would we know?
To my knowledge, McCain does not pretend to be a Christian like Bush did and, I guess, still does. It is really difficult to believe that the Republican party has done a complete 180 and has nominated a secularist for president. Now that I have said that, he may claim Christianity tomorrow and then deny it after a few days pass. Mc Cain is so desperate for votes, he says what he thinks it takes to get the vote of one group, that offends another group and forces him to continually flip flop on a lot of issues. Mc Cain was until recently one of the most respected Republicans by nearly all groups. He has gone from that to being a laughing stock in the few weeks the light has been shined on him and we have all had a good look.
Maybe now the candidates will understand that an endorsement by an evangelist is not all it is cracked up to be, in fact can be a minefield.
In today's San Antonio Express-News, Hagee complains that his words were misused for "political purposes". That is rather hypocritical considering that Hagee has positioned himself as a political power broker who should be sought out for endorsements. Republicans such as Gov. Rick Perry, Senator John Cornyn are regulars speakers at Cornerstone.
All this begs the question- is Hagee finally admitting that he's a politician without a party? Pastors who give specific political endorsements are political lackeys, and should be paying taxes for their political support.
Although I'm not a McCain supporter it's refreshing to see that our political leaders and the general public are finally recognizing the idioacy of hateful theologicial bile that spews from megachurches lead by the likes of millionaires like Hagee, Falwell, Parsley and others. It's about time that we start to make the distinction between traditional Christianity which teaches that we are saved by grace through faith. It is unearned and undeserved. No one "finds" Jesus. No one has earned salvation. The prosperity gospel is a cheap attempt to bribe God.
We all know that separation of church and state is the governing order in this world as we know it. Therefore, I will not allow my "religious" beliefs to cloud my judgement in deciding who to vote for. I'm looking for integrity (as much as possible), willingness to learn (humility), ambition to take the country out of this slump into a thriving country that can constructively help others, etc. In other words CHARACTER. We know that the earth is the Lord's and He can do whatever he wants, also he always works things out for our good. Therefore, it should not matter who endorses who or refuses whose endorsement. I don't worship McCain, Haggee or Parsley; I worship God. That is why all decisions in this electoral process should be made based on God's principles (transcribed to fit into this imperfect world) not on emotionalism.
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McCain is every bit as religious as Bush -- which is to say "Not very." The big difference is that Bush's handlers put the right words in his mouth and did all of the necessary legwork for him.
Bush & his handlers *used* the Religious Right in order to gain power for himself and his cronies. He doesn't and has never had the first clue as to what being a Christian means, being content to twist it for political purposes.
Tell me what 8 years of Bush and Republican Party rule has gotten the Religious Right. Nothing. They held almost complete power for 6 years and got all of their political agendas through ... but strangely seemed unable to do anything the Religious Right wanted.
The Corporatist Republicans used the Religious & Social Conservatives, who were gulled into accepting sweet words and assurances over action.
That's what I love about the McCain-Hagee relationship. It's a gift that keeps on giving. If he accepts Hagee, then McCain appeases hate-mongers. If he denounces Hagee, then he's seen as not worthy anough by evangelical Christians.
Coupled with the mass exodus of lobbyists from McCain's campaign after his new internal etics standards were announced it's obvious that McCain is walking through a landmine field of self-imposed ethical decisions and political consequences which will have him treading carefully just to maintain his own base.
Hypocrisy - the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks Senator McCain!
pkohan: You commented "If he denounces Hagee, then he's seen as not worthy anough by evangelical Christians."
Let me interject a caution: All "evangelical Christians" are not members of the "Religious Right." Many of them actually know true Christianity and are horrified at the politicalization and debasement of their religion. We should be careful not to tar an entire group of people because of the actions of a loud, but vocal, minority within their ranks.
The Religious Right is neither Religious nor Right. They are a group with a political agenda who have done more to discredit true Christianity and Conservatism than any "Godless Communist" or "Secular Liberal."
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Actually, McCain appears to be a person of genuine faith who has attended an evangelical church for nearly 20 years. Check out the interview he gave to Beliefnet last year. That's what's so mystifying about his clumsy evangelical outreach.
The funny thing is even after McCain had to denounce the remarks Hagee made about Catholics, his campaign sat on it's hands and didn't do any further vetting to see if this wackadoodle had any other unvetted nonsense floating around. So McCain figured he could denounce the words but not the man and that came back around to bite him in the ass.
McCain sought out this endorsement and tried to do everything he could to keep after since he put in so much work to get it.
Good job McCain. I can't wait to see what other damage you do to your campaign this summer.
The evangelical's (and I used to be one) is this: they are so addicted to power and having a place at the table of government for the past 8 years, that they will even give their endorsement to a candidate they despise, because he is the only Republican left, and to endorse a Democrat would be selling their souls to the devil!
And McCain, likewise, doesn't think he can win the election without their support, and so he grovels at their feet for their endorsement.
And it blew up in both of their faces! All this has NOTHING to do with God, spirituality, or the teachings of Jesus. It is naked politics and ambition at it's very worst! Hopefully, in this election, all that pretend piety will crumble away and voters (and I'm talking to you, Evangelicals!) will not be as gullible as in the last two elections, voting self-righteously around 2 or 3 core issues such as abortion and homosexuality! This time try voting FOR something, like unity, tolerance, caring for the poor, creating community, instead of against stuff . . .
(oops! I meant: "The evangelical's PROBLEM is this:")
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