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What questions are important to PETA? What questions are important to the NAACP? To pretend that certain sectors of the US voter base don't have particular questions that are important to them is just poor reasoning. Within each political voter block there are different concerns. Though it might not be very important to some doesn't mean it isn't important to others. Christians happen to have their own group of questions and issues that can make or break a candidate for them. And Rick Warren did express issues with Obama and not McCain. Has it even crossed your mind that maybe John McCain performed better than Obama. I don't like McCain but he whopped up on Obama in this forum! Obama is not perfect and he is no savior. He is a politician...Just like McCain. A politician who just got beat down in a forum of questions that reflect many of the concerns of evangelical voters. He'd win in a forum at PETA, NAACP, NOW, etc. It is just how these things go...
I DO BELIEVE RICK SET MR OBAMA UP! HE HAD AN OPORTUNITY TO BE OBJECTIVE. BUT HE SHOWED HIS BIAS DISPITE THAT SMILELING FACE. HE REPEATED ASKED OBAMA NOT TO GET UP ON HIS STOMP, BUT CLEARLY ALLOWED McCAIN PANDER TO THE AUDIANCE ON EVERY QUESTION. AND I AGREE HE GOES OUT ON THE LIMB TO CALL OTHER A LIE WITHOUT THE FACTS, HE HAD KNOW WAY OF KNOWING WHAT McCAIN WAS DOING IN HIS LIMO. THESE GUYS WANT TO WIN AND THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET THE EDGE. INCLUDING STARTING ANOTHER CONFLICT TO BOISTER THERE POSITION. THEY'VE DONE IT ONCE AND ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT, THEN THEY HAVE KNOW REASON TO FEAR DOING IT AGAIN.
I do not understand why Rev. Warren did not simply announce that Sen. McCain was in route to the Church? Why did he feel the need to make the statements about the "cone of silence? What was he trying to tell the audience and why was it important?
Pastor Rick lied about the "cone of silence" because he thought that he could get away with it. His interviews with Obama and McCain were obviously biased, even down to Pastor Rick's impatience with Obama answering his questions completely. Most people lie when it serves an agenda of theirs.
REVEREND Warren lied, plain and simple. McCain lied, plain and simple.
Good Christians all the while. Let's see what the conservatives do now that their little lie has been exposed. Any bets that they will excuse it, belittle those who complain about it, and suggest that anyone who disagrees with them is anti-American?
What a bunch of liars.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." --Voltaire
In spite of being set upon with biased questions, Obama stayed true to form. He fold what he believed and why. You may not agree with him but you have to say he had the guts to be himself.
McCain stayed true to form as well, only he wasn't challenged by how he avoided real answers to the questions asked.
My problem was why were there no questions that reflected how different the two are about energy, social services and the quality of life for the poorer of the world and America?
Rick Warren let me, a Christian who sees American support of Human rights violators as sin, hanging. And that is just one of many areas that McCain has not been challenged on.
Another is the fact that while many jumped on the chance to attack Edwards for his infidelity, nobody condemns McCain for the same. If fact, now they are talking about putting Rudy Giuliani on the ticket.
The Religious Right and the so called Evangelical circuit have shown their true colors. They are in fact, died in the wool Republicans first, Christians second. And while I listen to Rick Warren for his Christian outlook on Religious matters, I will not adhere to his political stance of Republicans, right and never wrong.
Paster Warren is either too ego-driven to admit the event was out of his control or a liar. Right wingers will do what right-wingers do, make excuses for all of it and blame the other guy. Christian right-wingers will add that they are saved.
"If you just get the right words, then they'll think you've got the lingo."
Rather dissapointing to find that (by and large) Evangelicals are the same ol' same ol' single-minded excuse-making Republicans. It goes both ways, Paster Warren. You did us a favor by reminding us.
I'm not going to call Rick Warren a liar. But one more open bias towards the Republicans and that's IT! He would've lost my respect.
John McCain opposes abortion, but supports Stem Cell Research and the Christian right gives him a pass. How's that for hypocrisy? John McCain knows he lost the Republican nomination in 2000 because he didn't pander to the Christian right. It is one thing for a Republican candidate to go into a Christian forum and tell them what they want to hear (that life begins at conception), it is another thing to be a man whose ways are ordered by the Lord. John McCain is an adulter, an angry man and a war monger. How's that to people of faith?
If Rick Wareen believes that abortion reduction is not enough, that making it illegal is the only thing the right will accept, what does he say about divorcees and adulters who're preaching the gospel? what does he think about pastors who're enriching themselves with money collected from the pulpit by twisting the word of God? What does he say about Bishops who beat their wives, cheat and lie? What does he think of closet gay Republicans who're vocal critics of same sex marriage and homosexuality? What does he think of Republican law-makers who claim a high moral ground, just before their addiction to pornography is found out?
If you ABSOLUTELY believe WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT that life DEFINITELY begins at conception or that you will not die but live to declare the wonderous works of the Lord, then you know everything and don't need God.
The Bible says Lean not unto thy own understanding and that the things that are beyond our understanding should be left to the Lord. His ways are not our ways. Questions of life after death, why good people die and whether life begins at conception are things that are beyond our understanding and should be left to the Lord. As Barack Obama rightly put it, IT IS BEYOND MY PAY GRADE.
Yes. Rick Warren is less open-minded than he lets on. My opinion of him changed a lot after the Saddleback interview.
Previously I had seen Warren as someone who truly balanced the hot-button issues (abortion, when life begins, etc.) with things like poverty and global warming. I had thought he might be someone who stood against the prosperity gospel. But he just laughed at McCain's five million dollar remark. He didn't challenge it at all. I was appalled McCain would even make the joke (if it really was a joke). Warren let McCain get by with well-rehearsed talking points. He even laughed about them saying at this rate, the interview would end early.
For me, a central issue in this election is the growing gap between the rich and poor in the world and in the U.S. Recently I heard that ten percent of the people in the U.S. control ninety percent of the nation's wealth. I think that's a serious moral issue. How would McCain respond to those of us who say that gap will continue or even grow more lopsided under a McCain administration?
In the campaign itself, I see the smear tone as a central moral issue. Each candidate should have been asked about the tone of his campaign, whether it is appropriate to use religious symbols (Moses, crosses or whatever) to smear your opponent, and whether he would make a pledge to speak out against surrogates who write smears and lies. How a candidate campaigns shows a lot about his or her morals.
To me the whole Saddleback interview was too shallow, probably on purpose to give McCain a chance to use his rehearsed talking points, and yes, I do think Rev. Warren is less open-minded than he lets on.
Frankly, I was never able to get onto the Saint Rick bandwagon. I was thumbing through "Purpose Driven" a long time ago and stumbled right into a passage where he equates contemplative traditions with superficial self help books.
Any minister who knows that little about Christianity and is that popular and influential I frankly find a bit scary.
I think you've nailed the issue, PMM. MOST people who call themselves Christians know very little about Christianity and are either ignorant or willfully ignorant of the contents of their Holy Book.
The Bible is very clear on God's opinion of adulterers. It is clear on many things, less clear on others. But the amazing thing about the religious right leaders in American is that they have succeeded in propagating and legitimizing their narrow view of Biblical morality, which vilifies gays and abortion above all else, while at the same time insulating themselves against charges of hypocrisy.
I only need to single out adultery here because, for the most part, an evangelical Christian who supports McCain, an admitted adulterer, over Obama will jump through hoops to use the Bible to justify their position, when really it's not the Bible that justifies it at all. According to the wisdom of the Bible, both candidates have moral failings, as do we all. But only one has actually committed a sin as grievous as adultery.
This movement away from God's Word, and toward Falwell's word, is most troubling.
So far, all the comments and the GOM article seem to be biased toward the left. It seems that Warren's questions were spot on as far as priority. I think it is splitting hairs to say that Warren "found time for the discretion of religious groups question but not for climate change or international poverty." I could pretty much give you the answers from both candidates on climate change and poverty. We would learn nothing new from these questions. You see it in every secular forum. I appreciate his use of time in getting each candidate to thoughtfully answer questions from the heart instead of giving the canned response and talking points we normally see.
THIS IS ALL VERY INTERESTING. TWO THINGS POPPED INTO MY MIND WHILE LISTING TO THE INTERVIEWS WITH BOTH SENATORS..FIRST I THOUGHT SEN. MCCAIN MENTIONED A HUNDRED YEARS IN THE WAR IF NECESSARY, I KNOW HE WAS JOKING, AND ALSO WHEN SEN. MCCAIN WAS TALKING TO RICK WARREN I THOUGHT HE MADE THE REMARK TO 'LET'S GET ON TO THE JUDGES' ..HOW DID HE KNOW HE WOULD BE ASKED THAT QUESTION ???
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