Hank,
The U.S. government does not operate public schools, nor does it own the property where public schools are built. Public schools are supervised by local school districts. If you're going to predict the violent downfall of our government, at least please demonstrate an understanding of how it works in the first place.

Posted by: Steve | February 19, 2008 12:40 PM

That first post - a hateful exhortation to violence - against whom? - has no place in this forum.

"U. S. citizens may resort to violence when realizing finally that the law has become lawless---therefore it is no longer actually law---and they, the citizens, will reinstitute genuine law from the ground up, and could end up not only aggressively resisting the illegal immigration, but also against our presumptuous government that operates without constitutional foundation having become, not the servant, but the enemy of the people."

This is simply religion wedded to nationalism, provoked by and offered to the same spirits that animated demagogues like those of Europe in the first half of the twentieth century.

Does it need to be pointed out that the definition of "illegal immigration" is travelling to a country without permission or invitation? We cannot say that those who did not get government permission were not invited - our own citizens invited them by proferring employment, precisely because they wanted easily exploitable, cheap labor.

And as for our own founding ancestors, they arrived here uninvited and without permission, and proceeded to practice genocide on those already living here, often with messianic fervor, fuelled by self-serving religious delusions.

Let us foreswear and repent of all such delusions now, and determine rather to follow Jesus, whatever waves of hatred and division are attempted to be stirred up among us.

Please, read our Savior's words in Matthew 5, 6 and 7 before allowing yourself to be caught up in this madness.

Posted by: Sojourner Truth | February 19, 2008 12:58 PM

I have submitted a request to the moderators to remove the disruptive first comment that has nothing to do with the topic. If you also think so, then submit a message to the e-mail address found in the "Rules of Conduct" link. Out of respect and consideration for Mr. Salguero, I ask that people not post comments responding to that first comment (which will hopefully be removed anyway) so that this thread can better facilitate a discussion about the article.

Posted by: I and I | February 19, 2008 2:59 PM

We need to be able to see the difference in the way Jesus even still teaches us to be, as in the "Be Attitudes" verses what the various religions that go by his name.

He spent 3 decades before being baptized by John the Baptist, then 3 years teaching the kingdom is within our grasp, then three hours on a cross, three days in a grave. Religion overtakes his message and it's on its 3rd millenia of recrucifying him every year, but smearing the blame on We, the People.

Someone once said, Religions like a raft, it's good to cross the river, but it can be a burden to carry once journeying on.

Christ's church is the communion of believers. Not limited to those calling themselves after him, while pushing Christ off his throne to judge others as unworthy wretches. We are all known by the fruits of our words, deeds, and lives. Our master always shows; whether through godliness, grace, kindness, greed cruelty, violence, and destruction. All these reveal our master; whether the divene Lord of all, profit, ego, or demons, our true devotion always shows in our words, deeds, and lives.

Many of the Religious are at different stages of realizing the difference between Jesus being the king of heaven, which is spread out upon the earth, but invisible to the hardhearted; and a broken, mocked, and cruely executed teacher/prophet born, killed, and resurrected annually.

I want the Spiritually quickened involved in all aspects of the kingdom, even politics, but I want the religious to remember just who it was that wanted Jesus killed and worked with government to do it. It was the religious authorities of his day. Don't ever forget why we have separation of church and state. When Constantine brought the two dynamics together to harness power, women were forced out upon threats of death, (witches!) Even crusades against Christ's followers who did not recognize their authority over them.

It was the union of church and state under Phillip the "Fair" and his childhood friend made Pope after the poisoning of the actual Pope; who plotted against the Knights Templar Friday, the 13th of October 1307 with plans to confiscate their wealth as well as default on the huge sums Phillip had borrowed.

There's a lot our forefathers knew, we've forgotten, but NOW is the time to wake and rise.

Thanks for sharing and the opportunity to share. Peace, B

Posted by: Barbara Jordan | February 20, 2008 10:25 AM