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Not long , pretty interesting . What got my attention was the way the new coalition of the secular left would handle the religious left .
On the right it caused the Hatfield and Mccoys effect for a long time . interesting to see if there will be a riff , but so far it appears there is agreement with the issues from the religious left and the secular left , and the divisive issues are only stated to right leaning issues of importance .
I guess politically you have difference camps promoting the same issues , which politically is good . But the politics of the left appear to be unchanged .
Posted by: Mick | February 27, 2008 1:36 PM
Jim Wallis gets it wrong. He, in belief, is really a part of mainstream protestant christianity which is in sharp decline. He, by word, is trying to hijack the evangelical movement which has always had about 30% supporting democrats for president. Yes, there are shifts, but they are minor. The real strength of the church comes not from observers, but from the silent majority who labor on and who are conservative. Liberals like Wallis are great at telling others what they should do, usually through the government.
Posted by: Dick | February 27, 2008 3:09 PM
He, in belief, is really a part of mainstream protestant christianity which is in sharp decline.
We mainstreamers haven't gone away, Dick. Sorry about that. And we may be in decline right now, but don't write our obituaries. God isn't finished with us yet.
Wallis does not get it wrong. You are only seeing part of the picture.
Peace,
Posted by: Don | February 27, 2008 5:24 PM
The real strength of the church comes not from observers, but from the silent majority who labor on and who are conservative.
Another point, Dick. Rev Wallis is no observer. He has been laboring on for over thirty years. And he has never been conservative, at least not in the way you seem to define it.
Peace,
Posted by: Don | February 27, 2008 5:27 PM
"Jim Wallis gets it wrong. He, in belief, is really a part of mainstream protestant christianity which is in sharp decline. He, by word, is trying to hijack the evangelical movement which has always had about 30% supporting democrats for president. Yes, there are shifts, but they are minor. The real strength of the church comes not from observers, but from the silent majority who labor on and who are conservative. Liberals like Wallis are great at telling others what they should do, usually through the government"
Couldn't have said it any better Dick
If Wallis gets enough press time and media exposure and pew research reports he may convince a lot of people of this new "Evangelical" movement. Say it enough times and you'll believe it. He tries to skirt the issues that have fractured churches all over this country as insignificant, but people know where they stand. And they know which churches support what. Homosexual marriage in Ohio is every bit as important as the genocide in Darfur.
What percent of the 78 do you believe to be the conservative Chistians Dick?
Posted by: The Patriot | February 27, 2008 7:33 PM
'And they know which churches support what. Homosexual marriage in Ohio is every bit as important as the genocide in Darfur.'
Posted by: The Patriot
Being a Conservative Evangelical I would say Homosexual Marriage is an impotant issue , but more so then genocide?
The Marriage issue is in front of us , which makes it part of the cultural debate , so I can see politically it being more important to many voters.
But why would not divorce be more important then homosexual marriage ? Whcih hurts the basic family more , a Mother and father separating or two people of the same sex with no children uniting .
Any case where Wallis misses out in my opinion is his belief that issues such as homosexual marriage has no importance to Evangelicals.
I agree with him in as much as it is only one issue of many .
Posted by: Mick | February 27, 2008 7:48 PM
"And they know which churches support what"
Patriot: Would you (I assume you would include yourself in the "knowing they") care to tell me what my church "stands for"? I am a pastor of an American Baptist Church in a village in upstate New York.
Hmmmm- Genocide or "homosexual marriage"- Would you honestly rather live in a kingdom where genocide is condoned and "homosexual marriage" is outlawed? What spirit are you of? (But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Lu 9:55)
Pastor Jeff (PJ)
Posted by: Pastor Jeff Staples | February 27, 2008 9:46 PM
I have to say that I am a conservative, but I sure don't support a lot of policies that some who claim to be conservative have implemented.
I don't find deficit spending and printing money to be conservative.
I don't believe excessive militarism and endless wars are of economic benefit except to those businesses that directly profit from them. Wars, especially badly planned ones that go on for a long time, are destructive to economic well-being. It's better to do your killing very conservatively, than to kill liberally.
I believe saving, hard work and genuine investment are conservative values, in contrast to rampant speculation and accumulation of debt.
I know inflation as a "pump priming" measure is not conservative at all, as the foolish Bernanke believes, egged on by the administration, just like the hapless Arthur Burns did back in the stagflation seventies. The average inflation rate then was 9%, much like the real inflation rate jump of 7.5% this past year.
It's amazing that the conservatives in power have turned out to be so liberal.
Posted by: N.M. Rod | February 28, 2008 1:53 AM
Denominations never existed in the "original" Churh. And neither did an alternate view of marriage, or ending a pregnany for convenience, or UNREPENTANT tax collectors. "The left-leaning" people have a problem.
Posted by: Wake up! | February 28, 2008 8:23 AM
Wake Up:
The "original" church didn't contain Gentiles either. You point?
PJ
Posted by: Pastor Jeff Staples | February 28, 2008 2:45 PM
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