N.T. Wright and Bart Ehrman: New Stories and Resurrection (Part 1 of 2 by Melvin Bray)
As did Brian McLaren, I recently read the conversation between N. T. Wright and Bart Ehrman, hosted by Beliefnet. I must admit my incredible bias upfront. I have a deep appreciation for Tom Wright and was embarrassingly quite ignorant of Bart Ehrman. Wright had given me the language and academic credibility for a narrative theology at which I had arrived serendipitously. I had long appreciated Wright for challenging the Christian tradition to reckon with the contextual realities that shape biblical claims. Although my faith may require less now in terms of traditional apologetic constructions to substantiate it, I am grateful for Wright's insistence on intellectual honesty when interpreting scripture.
But I was immediately captivated by Ehrman's story. It was the best thing he could have done for me. While a fan and student of the quality of thinking that Wright epitomizes, I adamantly believe that everyone has the right to tell his/her own story.
Ehrman's concern for the pain of others, sounding very Jesus-like, completely resonated with me over the course of the first three postings. But then Wright's comments took a turn that was seemingly unexpected for Ehrman. Wright introduced resurrection as God's unprecedented response to suffering that, in a linear sense, infuses the pain of suffering with a promise that heretofore had not existed. Wright's insistence on the significance of resurrection is not landmark within the Christianity, but his understanding of resurrection is somewhat different from what has come to be viewed as traditional. From that point on, Wright's conversation took a trajectory that embraced the legitimacy of suffering but asserted that it was not the end of the story. Ehrman, however, continued to make his case against the church's traditional and, for Ehrman, insufficient or contradictory explanations of suffering. It seemed as if he could not hear Wright's disassociation from penal-substitution as the only way to tell the story of God at work in the world.
There is a quite subtle form of intellectual dishonesty that dismisses others concerns and insists on making parallel presentations that are not open to conversational refinement. I did not get the sense that this was what Ehrman was doing. Rather Ehrman seemed so used to hearing the language Wright uses (the basic claims of Christianity) aligned in such a way as to bracket out any possibilities except the party line, that he did not appear to recognize that it was not happening quite that way this time.
My heart ached over the experiences Ehrman must have suffered that make his expectations and response ever so reasonable. I wonder how many others have grown accustomed to having their concerns bracketed out of the Christian conversation.
[to be continued...]
Melvin Bray is a devoted husband, committed father, learner, teacher, writer, storyteller, lover of people, connoisseur of creativity, seeker of justice, and believer in possibilities. As founder of Kid Cultivators, he lives, loves, and dreams with friends in Atlanta, Georgia.








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Wow! Loving all the Tom Wright on God's Politics. Melvin thanks for your thoughtful reflections looking forward to round two.
Posted by: Jarrod Saul McKenna | May 1, 2008 12:22 PM
I'm not so sure I would use the language of intellectual dishonesty to describe Ehrman's failure to grasp Wright's resurrection-based argument. I think he just misses the point. Like many who have emerged from fundamentalism into a more sophisticated view of the scriptures, Ehrman (I suspect) continues to believe implicitly that the fundamentalist theological formulations are true Christianity, whereas more centrist (or even liberal) approaches like Wright's are not only false, but not even worthy of consideration. Even as he debates Wright, the opponent Ehrman apparently has in mind is not in fact Wright, but a "straw man" who is a composite of the theological views he was taught in his youth, but has rejected.
Posted by: Carl Wilton | May 1, 2008 3:07 PM
Carl Wilton wrote: "Even as he debates Wright, the opponent Ehrman apparently has in mind is not in fact Wright, but a "straw man" who is a composite of the theological views he was taught in his youth, but has rejected."
I think that is a very astute observation!!!!
Posted by: Doug | May 1, 2008 4:51 PM
carl & doug, either i mis-wrote or perhaps you mis-read, but that is pretty much what i was hoping i had said. thank you for clarifying :-)!
Posted by: melvin bray | May 1, 2008 7:40 PM
Hi Melvin, I think you make a good point... attending a more liberal seminary, I see just how hard talking about these issues can be for people who've long felt marginalized by their own tradition for deep issues they wrestle with while trying to keep following Jesus. I think its important to recognize the baggage we all carry, and how it might serve to blind us, no matter where we fall on a theological specturm. I think that's a big part of the world's fallenness, that sin's effects aren't just personal,but something that builds up in other people's lives too in forms of trauma or emotional pain.
I like your phrasing, feeling "bracketed" out. Having been in a similar place at a few points, I can definitely relate... it can be painful even to be in the room with people worshiping, because every word they sing seems to reinforce the issues your struggling with, and no one seems to understand or even speak the same language. It did drive me away from being "Christian," though thankfully not from God, who led me through some hard times and eventually back to a better perspective on it all.
Look forward to reading that argument, I've been astonished by what I've read of Wright so far, and appreciate such a view on Resurrection. Its actually pretty Eastern, in many ways, for them the Ressurection, not the crucifixion is THE point, in my experience.
Posted by: Kieran | May 1, 2008 9:18 PM
Melvin, you were most certainly in point blank range with this observation. "Rather Ehrman seemed so used to hearing the language Wright uses (the basic claims of Christianity) aligned in such a way as to bracket out any possibilities except the party line, that he did not appear to recognize that it was not happening quite that way this time."
I enjoyed very much so my reading of your take on the dialog between these two very deeply seeded gentlemen. An excellent, yet brief commentary. Many could advance by the learning of this skill!
Posted by: d.e.sharp | May 2, 2008 9:11 AM
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