Former Planetshakers' Michael Guglielmucci admits porn addiction, faking cancer

This is sad and tragic. Please keep this guy in prayer.
I've had people fake these kinds of things on me but in a much more transparent (no one was fooled long) kind of way. It's a move of desperation coming out of a profound hurt. As to this being an indictment of the mega church, I am not sure that's the case. Sorry as a pastor I've been "lumped" too many times to go there. This will give us a black eye and make reaching out harder, but at the same time, we are all broken and we live in a fallen world with a powerful enemy who knows where we're weak. I think the best thing any of us in leadership (especially) can do is hold on to the Lord and realize almost no man is bullet proof on sexual sin. When we are tempted we need to take the way out. I will not sit in judgement of this man or his church. Instead I pray that he will get the help he needs and that his church will recover and be one of the few churches that doesn't shoot it's wounded.

What a powerful song? It is very hard to imagine that the deception was going unnoticed. I am sure that the family had to have questions about the secrecy and discrepancies in the lies. We are witnessing the aftermath of an ordeal that has probably unraveled behind closed doors for months. My heart goes out to Michael and especially his wife.
The words to the song are still true! It is God who reveals truth, and in the midst of the devastation that this family is facing, I am sure that Michael for the first time in months is turning to God in true repentance and brokenness. The Healing is now needed for his family and not cancer.
It for us to keep our eyes on Jesus, and not men. All leaders are just wretched sinners at best. We all needed a savior. He is getting his punishment for sure. I am on the side of puring out mercy on those who need mercy! This family needs mercy!!!!! Let's lift them up and not throw stones!!! He obviously recognizes his fault!!!!

In response to the comment about Victoria Osteen made by Chris C, I would like to point out that there is always another side of the story. I work for Continental Airlines in Houston, TX. The reported incident happened at my gate, C24. It was a flight headed to Washington, D.C., and the story from flight attendant differs from every other crew member on the gate that day. This entire ordeal was merely an attempt to exploit the Osteen family, and make some quick cash! The pilot of the aircraft even stated in court that if Victoria would have struck a flight attendant, Continental representatives would have escorted them off of the flight and notified police. It was Joel and Victoria that asked to be rebooked on the next flight. The media's story is absurd!!!!

Dave, one more thing - you mention that you hope they don't shoot their wounded. I think they just erased him. He's completely gone from the website, and from what I've read the album with his song Healer was removed from the Planetshaker store.

Not sure how that all works or what they do next.

Joanne

Oh, it's bad, Steve. That kind of deceit spoils everything and everyone he touched, even if it wasn't or they weren't involved in the lie. That church, the ministry, everything will have to deal with the fall out from this one.

Joanne
host of the GS blog

I know what he did was wrong and i am a member of the edge church but who are we to judge we should just leave that up to God. people make mistakes maybe not to that extent but he is only human after all. most men have lustful thoughts at least once in there life unfortunately his were consistent for 16 years. but we just need to pray for his family so that they can come through this with there dignity still in tact.

Im sick of people like Kathleen who all of a sudden come out and say "i always thought something was a bit off" yeah sure as if u did! u would have said something, and please dont use public forums to trash the local church, i don't go to the planetshakers church but i live in the same city and they are doing great things for the kingdom, if u have a problem with them thats fine, maybe they're not ur flavour but don't be so spineless to kick them while they're down

"Porn addiction" since age 12......that is a farce to try and use to excuse FRAUD....a nonsense. Its an insult to any one in psychology/medicine.Denial seems to be alive and well in your church.
You going to protect CRIMINAL behaviour with that excuse then test it in a court of law.

Just to clarify, I was a victim of a church system that protected the Guilty Leaders of worse than what Mike did. How they respond and face up to responsability is how the community will judge this event.

For Gods sake Mike conned thousands.....irrelevent about that issue eh?,murderers confess too, so lets forgive them...its irrelevent++,... the church perpetuated the "act" so well.....GIVE ME A BREAK!!! A crime was committed....he and his associates should be prosecuted....there should be NO excuses for any type of religious/racial group under the law. Child abuse in a church can also be excused bt praying for the perpetrator??? NO WAY.....their are victims.
Those good decent "christians" should demand the law do its job, in a democracy that we are so lucky to enjoy.

Amazing. I have watch this family along with other "superstar" pastors, totally wipe people off when they have stuffed up in their personal lives. I have seen first hand and expierenced the bullying from these pastors. People being kicked out of churches and loosing friends over night because these pastors have told people to have nothing more to do with them. Leaving peoples lives shattered.
NOW one of their own does the wrong (and worse than any of these others that I am talking about). And what do we hear. Forgive. I just goes to show, its not what you know.. but who you know/ are that matters. Even in the church.

Just because his family are mega-church celebrities does not make him a good or innocent man. While I do believe that Mike is mentally ill, i do not believe that his family and wife could have no idea as to his deceit - unless they were in denial over his illness. I believe perhaps that his family helped hide his illness through their own shame and therefore enabled him to continue his deceit.
I hope that they as a family get the help that they need and that Mike finds his path and becomes well. I hope that their church rallies around them and supports them.

I reckon Mike Guglielmucci is such an awesome man of God. I forgive him. I love him as a brother, and I reckon you all should too. If you feel you can't, ask God to help you to find it in your heart to do so. 100% everyone in Australia are liers and therefore are in the same boat. Mike is just a high profile so he suffers more for it.

Mike.

PS - Mike you're NOT a douchebag.

To gordon filingcabinet. So you think sins like murder, rape, child molestation, etc., are morally equivalent to jay-walking? Give us a break.

The commenter by the name of "Planetshaker" is not 100% correct...

They're almost correct, but some important details are missing.

Mike Guglielmucci left Planetshakers 18 months ago (not 19) - However, this was still several months after his cancer deception began.

It was in January 2007 after the Planetshakers conference was over, and after "Healer" had been performed there (with a live album and DVD of this performance recorded).

Yes, the deception continued long after he left - but it began in the final few months of Mike Guglielmucci's time at Planetshakers. So it is wrong to claim that Planetshakers was not involved because the deception began AT Planetshakers.

It is correct to say that Mike Guglielmucci left the covering of Planetshakers in January 2007 though.

Planetshakers has since tried to distance itself from Mike Guglielmucci.

They have removed references to Mike Guglielmucci from their web-site that relate to his work as a prolific songwriter - accounting for MOST of the songs on MOST of the albums Planetshakers has released in the past 4 years.

And in church services, they repeated two claims several times:

1) "Nobody / none of this knew this was happening - not even his wife and family", and;

2) "Mike Guglielmucci left Planetshakers a long time ago" ...but not long enough that Planetshakers was not involved.

It's now more than ever that we need to be wary of the lies and half-truths of the enemy.

Ewan, no matter how one looks at it, sin is sin. gordon was right in saying that the hierarchy of sin is man-made. All of us are sinners - no matter how good we lived our lives. That is the reason why Jesus paid the price! Jesus died for all sin and we are all forgiven. That is the whole reason why many have chosen to forgive Mike. I believe that Mike will ultimately be judged for what he has done, but he has been forgiven and set free - and we should do the same.

I'm also disgusted at how some of the 'former members' of Planetshakers City Church choose times like these to 'reinforce' their claims that the church "is a bit off." Planetshakers City Church has always made it clear that nobody is under compulsion to give their money. The study of the Word has always been part of the life of the church. Perhaps the 'former member' really only got caught in the hype and did not actually attend the church's membership formation classes.

Mike, as Christ has forgiven you, I also forgive you. I do not condone your sin but because you were brave to admit your sin and choose to accept the consequences and change, I believe you will find forgiveness.

It is so sad that this happened. Coming from South East Asia, where our young people are so influenced by the culture of PlanetShakers and others like Hillsong, you cannot comprehend the damage it does to our efforts to reach the lost.
1st, the reputation of our God is tarnished
2nd, it is ammunition for those against Christians to throw accusations at the cjurch.
3rd, even without the scandal, the kind of music culture that makes many Asian Christians uncomfortable but reluctantly accept because of the youths that "worship" it,will be regarded with even greater suspician.It causes a great divide between the older and younger generation.
4th, It makes witnessing to the unsaved a more uphill task.
What should we do after all this?
1. Pray for the gift of discernment from God to operate more.
2. Be less gullible. Do a check-up of claims. We have the same people problem but a simple quiet check on the person has saved us from many fraudulent claims.
3.

Ps Khim Ang - thanks for that great input from SE Asia. Those are great points.

Joanne
host of the GS blog

Wow. Those last few comments came out from left field.

Though, it's not surprising to see Christians take any chance they can to tear each other down.

"Forgive those who trespass against you". Matt 6:12

Mike, you are forgiven! Who are we to condemn?

After much thought and consideration on the issue at hand, I sat back and realized that maybe Mike Guglielmucci wasnt praying for his healing of cancer like he asked but rather than his isses with his pornography addictions. Here is a man who is in a very powerful leadership role, leading others, mentoring others, praying for others, and just listening to others. Satan must have been doing battle with him daily and we all know that Satan can be a very powerful opponent. I wonder how many times, that Mike Guggliemucci wondered who would understand his problems. Satan problem invaded his mind, heart, and soul, telling him that know one would care or even understand how a man like this could fall to such terrible addiction. Sometimes when we are backed into corners we lie, steal, destroy and even hurt others not realy meaning to. I don't think Mike intentionally did this. I think that Satan was such a powerful force and Mike made up a lie and his lie went to far. That is exactly what Satan wanted to happen. Satan wants everyone to look bad upon Mike. Instead, we as Christians need to embrace Mike, love Mike, PRAY for Mike's TRUE HEALING and help Mike and his family to come back from this mighty attack. We all have been in a similar situation as Mike. We need to pray for warrior angels to surround everyone who is close to Mike or has some connection with Planetshakers or Hillsong. He is still true and he will see everyone through this time of grief. Let us all remember that God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. One day, Mike can stand a say for certain that He is healed and that God truly is his HEALER and God is all he needs. We are human and God forgives us know matter what.

For those Christians out there who are trying to oust Mike and criticize him remember:

Matthew 7: 1-6

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Brad,

On the point about Guglielmucci perhaps praying for healing of his other problems instead of cancer, I actually agree with you on that. The song is generic enough in it's lyrics that the healing could apply to anyone. And he is truly emotional when he sings, so I would agree that he could be singing of his own internal need for healing, spiritually and mentally. The only thing that gives me pause is that when you listen to him talk on the video - and in this case all you have is my transcription - he says that he wrote the song after getting the diagnosis of cancer. Big, fat lie.

As to the "The Devil made me do it" defense: I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of Christian who willingly and knowingly do bad things and then turn around and say Satan made me do it. You "don't think Mike intentionally did this" - you're kidding, right? LOL Because I'm pretty sure Satan didn't show up at the event venue with an oxygen tank for him. Guglielmucci had to go get that for himself, which took planning and forethought.

I don't mean to be venomous about this, honest I don't. But I saw that video and heard him speaking about getting his diagnosis, and going through his fictitious treatment, and being at the Hillsong event and being in pain and forging on ... and I'm sorry, it made me really, really angry. Have you ever been sitting with a doctor and had him tell you that your test results might indicate a terminal disease? Do you know someone really dying of cancer? How many ministries are tarnished because of that lie? How much more fodder did he give to the nonbeliever who already thinks Christians are hypocrites?

Yes, we need to pray for him. The man is sick - physically and spiritually. Yes, his confession was incredibly brave, knowing what the fall out would be. (I wonder, though, what prompted it ...) But I'm not going to make excuses for him, not after watching him talk on the video about how he battled a fictitious terminal illness by worshipping God. Sorry, we don't worship God by lying.

If you haven't already, you can go here and read the transcript of Guglielmucci talking, in his own words, about getting his cancer diagnosis and being anointed by God at the Hillsong event:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/08/michael-guglielmucci-talks-abo.html

Joanne
GS blog host

Not sure if you all saw this, but just so you don't think I'm putting words in Guglielmucci's mouth:

Video of him on Australia's Today Tonight
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/08/guglielmuccis-confession-on-au.html

My transcript of 7 minutes of him talking on the new Hillsong video about his cancer diagnosis, and how he battled his illness by worshipping God
http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2008/08/michael-guglielmucci-talks-abo.html

Joanne
host of the Gospel Soundcheck

Please allow me to repeat what I said…
“LEADER?” “LEADERSHIP”?????!!!
IS THAT IN THE BIBLE????

Just wondering,
the word “LEADER” how many times was it mentioned in the NEW (Jesus) TESTAMENT,
1-The KJV/NKJV/ASV/NIV I found NONE,
BUT in other translations I found a mention to the word leader couple of times and here it is:
-Mt 23:10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
- Lu 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the SERVANT.
Well now we understand that Jesus did not come to recruit leaders….leadership maniacs, you wanna be a leader because off course you are TALENTED, FIND somewhere else to show off but not in the house of PRAYER.

BY the way, I here you asking, the word “SERVANT”, how many times was mentioned in “GRACE (NEW) TESTAMENT..you wouldn’t believe it!! Mr. “me me me I wanna be a leader in the church because I am talented”…..WHAT?!!
1- in KJV is 79 times
2- in NKJV is 80 times.
3- The American Standard Version 82times.
4- in NIV is 97 times
5- The Good News Translation 106 times!!!!!!
WATDDAA??!!!! 2:106

Was that an accident?! well Jesus did not come to recruit “talented/awesome/handsome/gifted..etc LEADERS”
HE (Jesus)discipled his followers to SERVE SERVE SERVE
IN HUMILITY depending completely on their ONLY LEADER, JESUS THE SERVANT KING…..

STOP LEADING THIS LIFE STYLE BY SERVING AND ONLY SERVING…

A LEADER has followers, and when he falls……!

It would have been much better, if they followed the only MASTER AND a LEADER….the one that said “”"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”"John 8:46

here is THE true leader that was not believed…
and here is a fraud that every one believed…..Irrrronic…!!

I think what happened recently confirms the credibility of THE ONLY LEADER…
when he said Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.”

IT IS A SIGN FOR HIS SECOND COMING!! here is a positive for what happened…
also the only teacher “LEADER” said:
IN Matthew 24:19 “How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! ”

Is that literally??? or may be he meant the vulnerable like the youth and that are not taught proper biblical teaching from Church Servants…

PLEASE READ MATTHEW 24. it is good..
Read it just read it… MATTHEW 24
A Saved sinner!
ans embarrassed Christian

Hi MAN;

YOU ASK:
Please allow me to repeat what I said…
“LEADER?” “LEADERSHIP”?????!!!
IS THAT IN THE BIBLE????
Just wondering,
the word “LEADER” how many times was it mentioned in the NEW (Jesus) TESTAMENT,
1-The KJV/NKJV/ASV/NIV I found NONE,

Thank you for the opportunity to answer your question is the concept of Christian leadership in the Bible?

ANSWER: YES!

A synonym of leader is RULER: Strong’s Greek # 4291. This word is used in the context of the ministry of teaching. Wherein those who are being taught are being ruled over (Rom. 12:7-8). This rule is in full accordance with GRACE (12:6). This rule is acceptable unto God, because it is within the reasonable service (12:1). This word for service would be better translated as worship. Those who are serving God are given rule over those who do not know how to serve God. While there are many members in the one body, NOT all members have the same OFFICE (12:34). Grace therefore allows for an officer, who has leadership/rule over others.

The whole concept of leadership is found in leading, and those who lead are followed. The evidence that there are leaders in the body of Christ is true if we can find men of God being followed: Wherein we should KNOW how to follow those who behave orderly (2Thes. 3:7). These have the power [leadership] to present themselves as examples unto those who should then follow their commands (3:9-10). Which commands are in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ (3:12). If anyone does not obey these commands have nothing to do with them, for they should be ashamed (3:14). Admonish them to see their shame! (3:15-14). All of this is in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (3:18).

Remember those who have rule over us are those who speak the word of God to us [without errors], whose faith we should follow (Heb. 13:7). This truth has always been the same, and shall always be the same, even for ever (13:8). Without which YOU are in some strange doctrine, which cannot establish YOU in grace (13:9). God is well pleased with those who have this rule over others: AND we should submit ourselves to this rule, which is the watch that is appointed over our souls, and which is accountable to God (13:16-17). YOU should be praying for these rulers (13:18). I therefore plead with YOU to suffer these words of exhortation, which I have now written unto YOU (13:22).

I plead with YOU again, BROTHER, YOU need to know someone who can rule over you in the Lord, who can admonish YOU (1Thes. 5:12). These rulers should be esteemed very highly for their work, which exhorts the brethren, and warns the who are without rule [the unrulable;- the unruly] (5:14).

Another word for these rulers, who are leaders, is BISHOP. This is where leader-SHIP comes from. The office of bishop is one of teaching (1Tim. 3:1-2). Those in this rule are those who are taking care of the church of God (3:5). These men have servants who execute their commands beneath them, who are herein called deacons (3:8). These men work together, so that others might know how to behave in the church of God (3:15). These rulers are also called elders, who are worthy of double honor, if they are laboring in the word with doctrine (1Tim. 5:17).

IN CONCLUSION:

YOU SAID: It would have been much better, if they followed the only MASTER AND a LEADER….the one that said “”"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”"John 8:46
I SAY: You cannot be following JESUS, if you are not under the above rule, which has been appointed in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord. The only outstanding question is: Seeing that I have set forth the truth, which is against your error, can YOU believe this truth?

Blessings in His grace through this mercy,
which has the full authority that should not be despised (Tit. 2:15).

Hi Brother Philip..
Is the Concept of Christian leadership in the Bible?
WAS THAT MY QUESTION?! Brother Philip???? No Brother Philip....

BUT thank you for answering your OWN question "Is the Concept of Christian leadership in the Bible?"

And your answer is flawless, and biblical...

I can see you are a leader, teacher or from the brethren church...correct me!!!

from your writing I see that you missed the whole point..

it is very important to teach the concept of Christian leadership, as the bible taught, instead of encouraging church goers to chase a title that fulfills personal ambition and self gratification, which is very very evident in churches this days when teaching the Concept of Christian leadership is not taught..

Service is an act of worship, yes, as well as to lead by the holy spirit when it is with a serving attitude (heart)..

also you as well go back to your bible, and find also the verses that talks about the requirements for the "leaders" according to Paulus's teaching.

In Love I say,

WRONG answer for a legitimate question. OR RIGHT answer for the wrong question..

Laughable

Brother Fil,

Again I find you answering your self-made question..this is not laughable..that is sad...
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You said "I do find it strange that you love to opine rather than use the Scriptures to make your point" Actually I did in my first post..
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You said "N CONCLUSION YOU DIRECT: STOP LEADING."..is that What I said?? .....??
again you are manipulating what I said so you can create an argument for yourself to win...

Again I see you SPINNING and SINING as you said before...
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And for a minister of religion or similar like you self, I feel embarrassed and ashamed for you Buddy, Manipulating what I said = not telling the truth = Lying = that's not honorable at all B. Fil

and let me ask u 1 Q, d you really need to create an enemy first to have a friend...I do not need 2b your enemy, but you want,,,y? is that a pattern you follow in building ur relationships with others???

Suggesting you are from the brethren Church -Not because "Brother Philip" but it was from the way you wrote- was actually a compliment that you probably did not value or may be deserved...
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My prayer would not be for you to have more knowledge, which any one can have, or not for revelation as you can ask for yourself...but for the unblocking of the impaired intelligence, so you see that U R answering a questions that was not asked from anyone but yourself...

God bless your heart!
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ALSO
-Mt 23:10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
- Lu 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the SERVANT.
was that my own sayings, or the saying of you "Buddy"?!
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It is because of people with an attitude like yours teaching the word of God, believers lead for the wrong reasons....
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I am sorry if I deflated your inflated ego with my first post, may be U felt threatened???!! that was not intended anyway it is only in your mind...do not take it personal buddy seriously
PLEASE PRAY 4 ME FIRST AND FOREMOST, not to get frustrated next time seeing you insist to answer the wrong question.....or not quoting completely what I said...

Honestly I am just embarrassed to have such a conversation

Have enough sleep Buddy "will help"

Hi MAN;

Nothing in the Spirit here, just a MAN likened after mocking MAN. Now there are MEN who are full of railing and anger abounding. Only a MAN of anger could deal as strangely as you O MAN (Pr. 14:17). There is no way that anyone in Christ is led to make a friend with an angry MAN (22:24).

Thank God an angry MAN is not impacting anyone but his own self. This is because they are self-willed into anger, because they do not love good men, who are called bishop’s (Tit. 1:7-8).

If I am getting to you O MAN, it is not me, it’s the MESSAGE. The Lord rebuke you, and heap coals of fire upon your head; the Lord reward you and drive you away as He does with every angry MAN (Pr. 25:22-23).
All I have done is hold fast to the faithful word as I have been taught, so have I in God given ability set forth sound doctrine (Tit. 1:9). However, this is never good enough for those who are unruly and vain in their talk, because they are deceivers (1:10).

We ALL know what you should NOT be teaching; by your own words you say that my testimony was right-on; the Lord stop your mouth, lest you end up as a subverter (Tit. 1:11). Now you suggest that my witness is not true: you make yourself to be a prophet of your own, and on your own. This is because you are not sound in the faith (1:12-13).

AND SO, NOW YOU DENY THAT YOU TAUGHT THIS GROUP NOT TO LEAD. Everyone knows that this is not the truth, we can all read your initial position, and it was without doubt anti-leadership. You placed doubt in the mind of Joanne by this unsound point:
“That's a great point for us to think about. I've always been bothered by the "worship leader". (Joanne).

The Scripture goes on to tell us that MEN like you are going to turn away from the truth (Tit. 1:14). These profess that they know God, but in works they deny Him, because their works are abominable, in that they are disobedient unto every good work: Those who do this are reprobate (Tit. 1:16).

REMEMBER you have already said that my work was good; now you turn from it in pure disobedience. This work of yours is not in the common faith, which has grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour (Tit. 1:4). I have manifested His word unto you, which has commanded you to be subject to it, if you wish to be seen as of the common faith (Tit. 1:3-4). It is now up to you, to show us where you stand, for the truth and against it. I as a servant of God and an ordained leader over men, the Bible adds that the faith of God’s elect can acknowledge the truth (Tit. 1:1).

This is my last admonition unto you O MAN. Failure to respond positively, shall leave me with no alternative but to let you have your last rail, which shall not be responded to.

Blessings in the grace to see the truth and acknowledge the truth.

THE WORD “LEADER?” “LEADERSHIP”?????!!!

IS THAT IN THE BIBLE????

Just wondering,
the word “LEADER” how many times was it mentioned in the NEW (Jesus) TESTAMENT,
1-The KJV/NKJV/ASV/NIV I found NONE,
BUT in other translations I found a mention to the word leader couple of times and here it is:
-Mt 23:10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
- Lu 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the SERVANT.
Well now we understand that Jesus did not come to recruit leaders….leadership maniacs, you wanna be a leader because off course you are TALENTED, FIND somewhere else to show off but not in the house of PRAYER.

BY the way, I here you asking, the word “SERVANT”, how many times was mentioned in “GRACE (NEW) TESTAMENT..you wouldn’t believe it!! Mr. “me me me I wanna be a leader in the church because I am talented”…..WHAT?!!
1- in KJV is 79 times
2- in NKJV is 80 times.
3- The American Standard Version 82times.
4- in NIV is 97 times
5- The Good News Translation 106 times!!!!!!
WHAT??!TTT!!! 2:106

Was that an accident?! well Jesus did not come to recruit “talented/awesome/handsome/gifted..etc LEADERS”
HE (Jesus)discipled his followers to SERVE SERVE SERVE
IN HUMILITY depending completely on their ONLY LEADER, JESUS THE SERVANT KING…..

STOP LEADING THIS LIFE STYLE BY SERVING AND ONLY SERVING…

A LEADER has followers, and when he falls……!

It would have been much better, if they followed the only MASTER AND a LEADER….the one that said “”"Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?”"John 8:46

here is THE true leader that was not believed…
and here is a fraud that every one believed…..Irrrronic…!!

I think what happened recently confirms the credibility of THE ONLY LEADER…
when he said Matthew 24:24 “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible.”

IT IS A SIGN FOR HIS SECOND COMING!! here is a positive for what happened…
also the only teacher “LEADER” said:
IN Matthew 24:19 “How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! ”

Is that literally??? or may be he meant the vulnerable like the youth and that are not taught proper biblical teaching from Church Servants…

PLEASE READ MATTHEW 24. it is good..
Read it just read it… MATTHEW 24
A Saved sinner!
ans embarrassed Christian

PS.

JESUS Said......in
---MATTHEW 23:10 “Do not be called leaders;....
&
---LUKE 22:26 “BUT IT IS NOT THIS WAY WITH YOU,.....and the leader like the SERVANT.....

Do we have the right to judge others as we all too have struggles and failures that for some, may still be hidden? We have to be careful of how we respond to this situation.

As for Mike, let's pray for restoration and that he'd be able to finish the race. God is just and merciful.

You know, I will be so very interested to see the daily lives of each individual here who is so readily throwing stones at this wounded brother.

can you imagine how horrible he felt, preaching a gospel he couldn't fulfill. i have to sympathize with him, Healer still remains one of my favourite songs, top 3 no less. to have the honesty to hold his own, and own up. this man remains a man of God. it is not possible he did not know the controversy that was about to befall him. not within the shadow of a doubt. he owned up because he wants to change, and i think, that's important to all of us. we have to start owning up. we're sinners too

Hi ALL;

MAN is at it again:

NOTE HOW MAN rails at men of God, who were in leadership:

MAN SAYS: SAMSON for example…you know what happened to Samson, when he disgraced his God’s Name…..he was severely humiliated….and the amount of humility that he brought to God’s name….

DU KNOW what the enemies said…”Our god has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands.”…….SHAME ON SHAMSON….

WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT IT SAYS THE TRUTH ALL TRUTH..DOES NOT HIDE
But if we are a lie we will hide it….

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I am so grateful that the word of God did not hide, as MAN has done, the truth about Samson:

Let us all read it together: Hebrews 11:32 puts Samson with David, and Samuel and all the prophets of God: What more needs to be said?

MAN hid this truth, and by his own words he makes himself as one who is against the truth.

What did MAN call those who hide the truth, meaning;- all the truth?

MAN ANSWERS: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT IT SAYS THE TRUTH ALL TRUTH..DOES NOT HIDE
But if we are a lie we will hide it….

My question is similar to others on this blog: Why are we allowing this MAN to act in this backbiting manner, wherein he is acting as some self-appointed attack dog? The last word of God on Samson in the word of God was not shame on Samson, as MAN alleges, but instead it was to honor Samson, as a hero of the faith (Hebrews 11:32).

No one in Hebrews chapter 11 has any shame on them, nor did they shame God, no matter what the likes of MAN might say, they are all perfect with those in Christ (Heb. 11:40).

MAN must think that church leadership has to be without sin to be perfect in the sight of God and those in Christ. What a wicked error this is. This wickedness should not be allowed to continue spouting off in its off-hand manner, which is without mercy, because of faith.

The issue, now that we have repentant faith is not about sin, it's about errors against the truth.

Who here is without sin?

Praise God that the sin of most believers’ follows behind them; but also praise God, when for whatever reason, He allows other believers sins to come before them. None of this is about shame on them or God, it’s about mercy rejoicing over a judgmental manner (James 2:13). Faith which does not have this work [rejoicing against judgment] cannot save us (2:14). I pray that there are others on this site that can sound off in this manner: In that they too can rejoice against judgment, because of mercy . . .

I am saddened, like most of you, about what happened to Mike G. But what grieves me most is the reaction of the "modern time x-tians" in treating other christians who, like all of us, made mistake. First of all, Mike G. was not caught and was later exposed (as many media has published). He confessed his wrongdoing to his family and that's where i admired him most. I have no approval of his lies but the fact that he faced the consequences of confesing his wrongdoing is a godly thing to do. Most of us, if not caught sinning, will pretend everything is well and under control and live an "ideal" christian life as a costume or a facade (somebody may comment on this and will tell me, "that's only you. PLS. STOP THE HYPOCRISY). I am also saddened by the decision done by HILLSONG removing the song Healer even from their latest audio album. In the video album, it's reasonable because of the nature of the video. But in the audio/cd album, in my opinion, it is not necessary. It's like removing part of the book of Psalms because the author is a murderer/adulterer servant of God. But, that's their business. What bothers me of their action is the thought that i'm sure is not intentional; that is if you are a servant of God, and publicly you confess that you commit a sin and with a repentant heart you are asking for forgiveness, instead of extending/lending a helping hand and a shoulder to lean on, you will be disowned, mock, set aside, erased, forgotten so better keep your sin to your self and God and live "victoriously." If there is any moment that Mike is to sing his song Healer, that is now. Having an illness that is more dangerous than cancer (sexual sin if not repented can lead to eternal damnation) is the right time to ask God for help. And that's what Jesus is all about, Gracious Savior. And to those who momentarily lost the knowledge of God's grace because of gruesome, judgmental and arrogant thinking, read again the lives of King David (a man who's after God's heart yet sinned) and Apostle Paul on how they experienced God's grace. And if it's not enought, read again your life story and how God found you and make you whole again....and again.....and again....God bless you all.... >>> franco of Roxas City, Philippines & Montreal, Canada

he came to my school and he talked. he said when he was in school he walked around with his bible...but as if, if he was addicted to porn.

He got the whole school to stand in front of this cross.

he was crying. he told us he was dieing aswell. he asked to see picture of his wife and it was already in a frame like planned

Hi ALL:

I'd like to praise God that we are all back on subject, and in the Spirit of grace by thanking Franco for the following:

What bothers me of their action is the thought that I'm sure is not intentional; that is if you are a servant of God, and publicly you confess that you commit a sin and with a repentant heart you are asking for forgiveness, instead of extending/lending a helping hand and a shoulder to lean on, you will be disowned, mock, set aside, erased, forgotten so better keep your sin to your self and God and live "victoriously." If there is any moment that Mike is to sing his song Healer, that is now. Having an illness that is more dangerous than cancer (sexual sin if not repented can lead to eternal damnation) is the right time to ask God for help. And that's what Jesus is all about, Gracious Savior. And to those who momentarily lost the knowledge of God's grace because of gruesome, judgmental and arrogant thinking, read again the lives of King David (a man who's after God's heart yet sinned) and Apostle Paul on how they experienced God's grace.

I would like to add to Franco’s sound advice: I and many just like me believe that Mike G is now armed with a contrite admission of his transgression; and as such he can expect God to work with him for the furtherance of the gospel; and Mike can expect to have a blessed ministry.

Although a fall is optional, it does have the benefit of a lively witness of how graciously merciful God is, and helps us to see how precious mercy is for the gracious God of sure mercies. For now Mike G has much more than a song to sing, he has something to say. I expect that God has allowed all of this to come about, so that a man of music and song, might become a man of the word of God, who celebrates what God can do in speaking the song of grace (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16).

I’d be interested in hearing any comments on Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16. Such as how do we hear the singing from the heart? And why is the melody to be in the heart, rather than out in the open?

To Joanne, could you find the grace to work with me here, rather than just flip me off, as you have done before? I truly am interested in your input. Remember I am not against music; I am interested in what you have to say about the content of these two verses of Scripture. Sorry for asking, but I am trying to work with you, and believe that herein we can find more to agree on than to disagree about. The alternative of just ignoring me or being flippantly against these Scriptures is not very spiritual.

Blessings to you ALL

Hi,
music music music, who does not love music....!!! but

Can we or - is it easy to - distinguish between emotional vs spiritual worship....?!

Do we really need music to get us into the worship spirit?! since when God needs an emotional worship enhancement drugs!

I wounder also -I say that with the utmost respect to the holy spirit-, but did the healed pastor also speak in tongues?! could that be unreal “fraud” too?! how can you speak(pray) in/by the “holy spirit” in the presence of deception, if we are/he is praying in tongues to edify self, what sort of spiritual edification is that??!!

or how can you lead worship being led by the holy spirit, in the presence of deception...please note that we are in the new testament, not the old testament- so please do not use the example of Elijah, or David, or Samson - and also do not mention (or argue the point of) the difference between the anointing and the integrity...

Please WAKE UP AOG….

THE LORD IS NEAR
and most of what you offer is not for the spirit heart but only for the eye and EAR.
It’s much more than just to cheer,
but it is love after GOD’S fear.

Lots of emotions and tears, and deception year after year!

GOD HELP US the shepherd voice HEAR, AND to the truth ADHERE.

GLORY BE TO YOUR NAME ONLY from a loving heart and sincere!

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P.S. before judging what I said, I would like to say that I am not against music, I love and adore/listen to music....also I play music in church...

I'm sorry, you're right. I misunderstood the question.

Are you referring to spoken word performances? Where the lyrics are not sung but spoken to music? I don't actually know off hand any artists who do spoken word, but that is what they call it. I'll see if I can come up with something.

I do think that a lot of what comes out of our mouths is centered around the idea that out of our hearts our mouth speaks, and obviously what is in our hearts is in correlation to what is in our spirits and our minds. So the verses you pointed out do raise the notion that our words, either spoken or sung in my opinion, would be a reflection of our hearts, and I think you'd see that in how many artists' lives and music line up. Then again, our lips are deceitful so you have artists who say one thing and do another ... honestly, I don't have a better answer than that. It's kind of circular.

And you raise an intersting point: if you speak a song, instead of singing it, is it still a song? Or is it poetry?

Spoken word is really outside the box, artistically (I think the Christian music industry tends to shy away from anything "artsy," which is a whole other discussion about arts and the Church throughout history) so you won't find a lot if it in the industry. But I'll see what I can find.

Thanks!
Joanne
host of the GS blog