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Video: Jon Voight in 'September Dawn'

Thursday August 23, 2007

Categories: Movies
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Jon Voight Discusses "September Dawn"

"September Dawn" tells a fictionalized version of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, in which a group of Mormons killed 120 innocent settlers who were passing through Utah in 1857. Voight plays Bishop Jacob Samuelson, the leader of the local Mormon community, who incites his people to violence.

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a
October 14, 2007 10:24 PM

It looks like a Modern day witch hunt going on out there for the modern day Mormons who are descendants from the perpatrators of the MMM . Very sad indeed. I'm not Mormon, but Mitt Romney has my vote.

mark allen
November 7, 2007 10:22 AM

I can not believe how a country founded on freedom of religion has let the persecution of mormons to continue and you don't see the aclu stepping in anywhere do you. This persecution is the reason I looked into the religion and a year later I was baptised a member of JESUS CHRIST of LATTER DAY SAINTS , with great pride I add my name to the list of ever growing LDS members word wide .T here is an average of 800 baptisms a day I what a wonderful thing .

Mae
November 24, 2007 6:06 PM

I'm surprised by the number of mormon's who protest the movie, saying that the event is not depicted correctly. How does anyone know what exactly took place, except the people who WERE THERE? This is one persons view, let them speak their mind. It's allowed. If you don't want to watch it, don't. But keep in mind, the mormon church's history is not perfect. They are capable of violence, just as much as the next person. Being mormon does not make one perfect.

Alice
January 15, 2008 5:12 PM

"September Dawn" may not be the greatest film ever made and it may have a lot of people upset, but there are still current day issues connected to this that may eventually have to be addressed.

1.) Brigham Young denied any involvement the the attack, yet John D. Lee (the REAL Bishop of Cedar City who orchestrated the event) was like a son to him. Yet President Young turned him in as the only guilty party who was the only person convicted and executed for the massacre. There are some of Lee's descendents who have never gotten over this. If there's one thing the LDS Church is good at is teaching unquestioning obedience. It's just unbelievable that John D. Lee acted under his own authority and without Young's blessing.

2.) There are many relatives/descendents of the victims who to this day would like to exhume the remains of their dead and give them a decent burial. Yet the monument dedicated to the disaster by no accident sits on LDS Church property and covers the victim's remains. The LDS Church has not allowed anyone to remove the bones. There is some dispute as to exactly how many people were on that wagon train and how many were children. Only 17 children were retrieved by the U.S. Army. Some say there might have been as many as 20 that were adopted into LDS homes. Without retrieving the remains and DNA testing, those relatives will never know exactly what happened to all the young survivors. Don't you think they deserve an accounting? We put a lot more effort into accounting for the victims of the World Trade Center disaster (Where there was little hope of finding much) than we have in accounting for the victims of the MMM, even when we KNOW remains exist. Go Figure!!! Just what is being covered up? If we're going to compare one terrorist event with another, let's be even-handed about it.

3.) There is no evidence that the massacred wagon train did or said anything to provoke the attack. Their only crime may have been that they were from the same part of the world as some of the LDS persecutors. They were also known to be one of the wealthiest wagon trains of the era. Witnesses attest to people wearing the victim's clothes and jewelry around Salt Lake City. When we read of Joseph Smith telling his followers to gain their inheritance from the gentiles (all non-LDS) what are we to make of this? Does this reframe our understanding of the tense relations between the LDS and the non LDS?

4.) It's hard to believe that the release of this movie wasn't timed to coincide with Mitt Romney's candidacy. He's in a bind: To appear to be a good conservative Republican, he must profess strong religious belief; yet when questioned about his beliefs, he's evasive. Perhaps it's because of the secret nature of the LDS faith that he can't publicly divulge much. I feel sorry for him. It undermines his credibility.

Brandon D. Smith (related to Joseph Smith)
March 17, 2008 4:29 PM

My family has been persecuted by the LDS church, the very religion my own family started. Kidnappings, assaults, theft, slander, trespassing, has all been made against my family in the White Mountains of AZ. All in the name of God and the name of the LDS church. A group of politically active people (police, judges, elected officials) have, in concert, done many illegal, unchristian, un-American things against me and my family. The LDS church is no less than a terrorist society started as an experiment to teach masonry to the masses. Apparently it has been successful thus far, in this day and age of the internet it amazes me as to how many people would believe in such a radical religion. My family has lost everything, houses, animals (slaughtered) automobiles, even family members to these so called "Danites" of the white mountains. I have sworn an oath that ALL Mormons/LDS are my enemy my childrens enemy and their childrens enemy, even my own family, aunts uncles and cousins as well.....

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