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Exclusive Clip: 'What Would Jesus Buy?'

Wednesday November 14, 2007

Categories: Movies
Save Christmas from the Shopocalypse! That's the mission of Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping Gospel Choir--ending the consumerism and over-consumption they see as rampant in our holiday season. Filmmaker Morgan Spurlock, of "Supersize Me" fame, tells their...
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Clara
November 18, 2007 7:55 AM

He looks like he is trying to imitate Billy Graham! I listened about 2 seconds before I turned him off. I always enjoyed and admired Billy Graham, but I did not like what this guy is saying. How rediculous is he to say "stop shopping?" Religion and shopping should be kept entirely apart. In other words, "Don't talk about religion while you shop or talk about shopping while practicing religion." There is nothing wrong with shopping because it is a necessity, and he needs to deal with it!!!

Mia
November 18, 2007 1:22 PM

I don't think that the point is about shopping where it is a necessity (like for food) but shopping as a hobby. Some people shop to find meaning in their life. (My mom is one of those people-- shopping is her major pasttime. She buys new curtains EVERY WEEK!) Those people probably should give it a rest, put some money in the bank, maybe give some to charity, and maybe look within to find out why they need another tablecloth or a 75th pair of shoes. IMO, which counts for very little.

Mia
November 18, 2007 1:24 PM

(Also, of course, there's the meaning of Christmas issue-- is it really about having the biggest pile of boxes on Dec. 25?)

Michaela
November 24, 2007 11:12 PM

I think you're right, Mia.

Debra
November 25, 2007 5:02 AM

If everyone stopped shopping how would the children receive clothing that they need as they get bigger and need new clothing for when their old clothing is too small. Children do receive some clothing for Christmas as gifts not just toys. So I think Shopping is a good thing too do and that guy playing the minister was wrong for trying too get everyone too stop shopping.

Anonymous
November 25, 2007 9:09 AM

I did not get the point...I think it was just mockery! I can understand the concept of not shopping ALL the time, but the point was lost because he seem to be jeering and mocking, and it looked fake.

Tim C.
November 26, 2007 7:10 AM

One issue I don't think this video or some of the pundits really may address is how much our economy actually relies on people's holiday shopping. There's a reason the name "Black Friday" is applied to the Friday after Thanksgiving by retailers, which is that for many retail outlets, including big-box stores and mom-and-pop shops, this is a day counted upon to put them in the black, and thousands if not millions of Americans who work in retail are dependent on this for their livelihood. Now not everything about this is a good thing, and I certainly wouldn't argue for lavish extravagance; I agree that material things do not add up to happiness or holiday spirit. But if we really did stop shopping in the way the preacher appears to be suggesting, our economy would be depressed as a result, and everyone, from the wealthiest to the poorest in our country, would be adversely affected.

Furthermore, there's an uncanny irony in the fact that considerable money was invested in all the actors, the production people, the physical sets, set dressings and props, marketing for the film and the consumerism represented by asking people to go to a theater and watch this anti-consumerist message while paying exorbitant ticket prices and robber-baron sums for popcorn and snacks. And by the way, I can't see how this would be considered a "documentary" unless it may be in the sense that it also features self-indulgent, behind-the-scenes looks at its own making.

TAMPABAYLADY
November 26, 2007 1:24 PM

CHRISTMAS SHOULD ALWAYS BE ABOUT " JESUS CHRIST ". I, AS A ROMAN CATHOLIC, CELEBRATE CHRIST BIRTH.

tam
November 27, 2007 5:27 AM

YES PEOPLE HAVE FORGOT THE REAL MEANING OF CHRISTMAS!IT IS THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST, SO WHERE IS HIS GIFT? AFTER ALL IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY NOT OURS! SO WE SHOULD GIVE THANKS TO THE LORD AND REMEMBER HIS BIRTHDAY NOT WORRY ABOUT WHO GETS WHAT FOR CHRISTMAS! GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU THAT MAY OR MAY NOT READ THIS!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS

Rob VanAlkemade
November 30, 2007 12:55 AM

Dear Tim,

I appreciate your comprehensive list of concerns about the film and I’d like to take some time to respectfully address them, especially because I admire beliefnet a great deal and would be honored to contribute to the discussion here.

I'm not sure what you were referring to when you mention us featuring "self-indulgent, behind-the-scenes looks at [our] own making"...unless you're referring to when we were all (cast and crew) nearly killed by a truck, which we eventually decided to include in the film, briefly, because it was an extremely significant event on a road trip that we were documenting. I believe it would have been quite disingenuous and misleading if we hadn't included it.

Regarding your concern as to whether or not this can be called a "documentary", that's a good question. While the Rev Billy, his Church and his mission are sincerely spiritual, not a joke or a mockery, we obviously did document some performances in addition to straight observational actuality; the crew did participate with the cast in some logistical and creative planning, and of course one of our clearly stated goals was to be entertaining and funny as well as informative. For these reasons, we are generally referring to the film as a "docu-comedy". I certainly do believe that we qualify under the “legal” documentary definition of “presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner”, but would completely understand if you would prefer your documentaries to be more along the lines of “expressing things as perceived without distortion of personal feelings or interpretation” which we are surely not.

Regarding Black Friday and Christmas shopping in general being necessary for our economy and general well being, I'm somewhat surprised that you don't have more faith in the durability and versatility of American Capitalism. We didn't rely on this Christmas shopping bubble until the late 1800's, when Christmas first started to be marketed by consumer capitalists blurring the distinction between wants and needs.

As we mention in the film, we now spend over 15 billion dollars a year in marketing just to our children, who in turn spend over 40 hours a week engaged in media and witness 3,000 advertising events per day. 60 percent of us are in long term debt on our credit cards. Our personal savings rate is below zero. The gap between rich and poor in America is still increasing. And we produce five million tons of extra waste from Thanksgiving to New Years Day.

There are other ways of measuring an economy than an ever-rising GDP. For example there is a system known as the GPI, for Genuine Progress Indicator, which distinguishes between things like income and capital depletion; enjoyment of life and production of goods; the cost of crime, erosion, pollution and depletion, before determining whether progress is actually being achieved.

Many specialists assert that at our present rate of consumption we will need three planets to sustain us. And there are three billion more people on the way over the next 40 years. So what exactly is the true cost of relying on a surge in shopping at Christmastime?

Finally, regarding what you call "an uncanny irony in the fact that considerable money was invested" in making and distributing the film, I'd agree that it's definitely ironic. “We burned fuel to get here today children, we’re all sinners, it’s complicated”, says the Reverend. But uncanny? We have spent money, and a very great deal of collective time and effort, trying to get a message out to a large audience. We are indeed asking people to buy a ticket to see a film, (whether screened in a local independent theater or, when unavoidable, in a mall), in the hopes that our film will continue to inspire some of us to think about our buying differently forever; To learn more about the story behind the product. To vote with our dollars. To get out of debt as soon as we can. To spend more time with our loved ones. To give to people most in need with what we save by slowing down our shopping, even a little, this Christmas. To remember what the holidays truly mean to us, and to live by those standards all year long.

Thank you very much and Merry Christmas,

Rob VanAlkemade

Director, "What Would Jesus Buy?"

www.wwjbmovie.com

antsy
December 9, 2008 1:50 PM

i love the u.s.a. there is much that is good here, but...
i lived in another western, first world country for many years. it did not have the consumer/credit culture we have here and still managed to be a respected player in the global market. yes, it had higher taxes, but university and healthcare (including preventative and alternative) were available to all, free of charge; unemployment, homelessness and crimes rates were lower than ours. i might be oversimplying, but it seemed that the money i might have spent on a slightly better flat-screen monitor or another pair of shoes went to taxes which funded programs and policies that created a better quality of life for all (including me); quantified not by the stuff i had, but by the well-being of the citizens.

americans are a strong and resourceful people. i agree with Rob VanAlkemade, it should not be necessary to measure our economy by an ever-increasing GDP. yes, some retailers might suffer, even collapse if we cut back. but eventually the paradigm will shift. big changes in a culture are usually predicated on challenges to the status quo (i.e., abolition of slavery, industrial revolution, civil rights, etal).

irrespective of the viewer's spiritual worldview, this film and Rev. Billy are saying "let's ask ourselves, do we really need all this stuff? and if so, why?"

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