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What 'The Golden Compass' Really Says About Pullman's Belief

Wednesday December 5, 2007

This is the second in a series of blog posts about "The Golden Compass" by guest blogger Tony Watkins, author of "Dark Materials: Shedding Light on Philip Pullman's Trilogy 'His Dark Materials.'" I wonder how aware Philip Pullman is of...
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Not buying it
December 5, 2007 5:50 PM

Perhaps he's just a fiction writer writing fiction.

Lee
December 5, 2007 6:57 PM

There's no such thing as "just a fiction writer writing fiction." All writers bring with them their own system of belief, their own way of looking at the world. There is no meaningless fiction. Every story has some meaning behind it, brought there by its author. Pullman's writing is chock full of meaning, heavy with symbols and metaphors, whether the reader realizes it or not. To turn Freud's phrase inside out, sometimes a cigar ISN'T just a cigar.

paula
December 6, 2007 7:01 PM

i totally agree, we need to look at this author's hidden agenda in writing this trilogy especially for children, its a candy coted apple is what i say. what one sows is what they reap! and since this is a spiritual warfare goin on not a physical one, these things are bound to happen cuz the devil is full force out in the world against us christians as he is the prince of this world. so we should put on the armour of God and be ready to fight the good fight w/ the help of our Lord ofcourse!

spectre170
December 8, 2007 6:30 AM

***"...moral values, require the existence of a God beyond the physical realm..."

No they don't. Moral values are a reflection of the individual. Period. Some of us do not need to be threatened with eternal damnation in order to be decent human beings. We are decent human beings because we actually are decent human beings. To suggest that non-religious people are not good people is simply proof of how arrogant religion is.

The Nazis were all Christians. They believed in God. You know, like a "God beyond the physical realm" (thus a guarantee of higher spiritual ground)

Republicans (in the USA), also tend to be Christians too, although I would think than Jesus would definately be a supporter of universal healthcare and not support the NRA and big tobbaco. But who knows, maybe Jesus supports tobbaco because he started charging big $$$ for healing lung cancer. That would be a very American thing to do.

After all, morals require a supreme being...

Tony Watkins
December 10, 2007 3:37 PM

For more on why there needs to be a God to warrant objective morality, see William Lane Craig, 'The Indispensability of Theological Meta-Ethical Foundations for Morality' at http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/meta-eth.html

But note that to say that there needs to be a God in order to have objective morality does not imply that everyone who believes in God (or professes to do so) is therefore moral, and it does not imply that those who don't believe are immoral. What it says is, if there's no God then morality is entirely a matter for personal choice and there is no 'ought' about it.

Rebekah
December 10, 2007 10:23 PM

First, I would just like to say that spectre170 raises a good point. It makes me think of the time when my grandma told me that my cousin-in-law, who is one of the nicest people I know, will not go to Heaven because he is Buddhist. "It doesn't matter that he is a good person," she said. I was absolutely appalled by that statement and it did not sit right with me. But then again, I am not a Bible-banging Christian. The only Good Book that I pay attention to is the one that God is writing in my heart. And, sorry fundies, but my heart says that the belief that only Christians get to experience Heaven after death is a mistaken one, and as spectre puts it, very arrogant. God does not play favorites. In fact, She tends to show up in the most unusual places.
Such as in this movie.
I recently received an email from my mother regarding the release of The Golden Compass in theatres. The email implied that this movie was a threat to Christianity and that we should keep our children from viewing it and therefore being tempted to read the books which are twice as threatening as the movie.
This email so enraged me that I replied back to my mom, stating that they said the same thing about Harry Potter. And look now! They found God in Harry Potter didn't they? Who's to say that God will not show up in The Golden Compass as well, whether Pullman likes it or not? I told her I would judge for myself, and so would my child, whether this movie lacked God. After all, everything in this world is neutral. The only meaning that anything has in this world is the meaning that we give it. That goes for Satan too, fundies. The only meaning, i.e. power, that Satan has in this world is the power that we have given It. "God" is All There Is. Regardless of whatever name you wish to call Him.

Interspiritual
December 16, 2007 10:44 PM

"Dust" was one of the more obvious symbols in the film, IMHO. I believe it represents creative energy, or as Freud called it, "Sexual energy". The whole speech Mrs. Coulter gave Lyra near the end of the movie, is very similar to the story of Adam and Eve. Our earliest human ancestors were naughty, therefore none of us are now innocent...

When creative energy (as in a creative life force) is not manipulated by organized religion, it creates more Life. In the pagan cultures, the life force was recognized as powerful and super-natural. Fertility was honored and encouraged, not restricted.

Monotheists arrived on the scene in world history along-side private land ownership. Private ownership created patriarchy. Private ownership is enforced by those who are physically bigger and more intimidating (more powerful men, in general). Land and wealth were then passed along male bloodlines. The church became the institution by which procreation was managed. By making laws and rules about sexuality (marriage), it could be channeled, tracked, and made orderly. Organized, dualistic, patriarchal religion is threatened by the Life force being in the hands of individuals.

I have not read the books, so I do not know if my theory holds for the rest of the trilogy.

Max Johnson
December 17, 2007 5:39 AM

Interspiritual,

Pullman is (among other things) a world-class Milton scholar, and he has said that the "Materials" trilogy was inspired by "Paradise Lost" (The title comes from book II of the Epic Poem), so the "Fallen" allusion is not accidental:-)

As for "Dust": I think "lifeforce," "creative energy," "primordial creativity" (as we call it in process theology), and even "erotic" energy is right on the money (Listen to Pullman's interview with Donna, "Is Dust the Divine?" http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2007/11/exclusive-video-philip-pulman.html , and see the related chapter in her excellent book, "Killing the Imposter God"), though I would stay away from Freud's EXTREMELY limited, overly "genital" use of the term (You'd do better with Paul Tillich's or Rita Nakashima Brock's writings on "erotic" power).

Is Dust "material"? Perhaps. But it really depends on how one actually DEFINES words like "material" and "spiritual." I attend and participate in a lot of "science and religion" conferences, and I can tell you, these terms are not nearly as "unambiguous" as Watkins seems to suggest.

For example, "material" or "physical" are often used to refer to "entities that follow the 'laws' of physics," i.e., objects that can in theory be studied in terms of deterministic 'physical' principles.

But there is also what Aristotle called "Prime Matter," the primordial "stuff" out of which (physical) stuff is ultimately constituted. But Prime Matter (what Whitehead called "Pure Creativity") is NOT ITSELF "PHYSICAL" the way, say, "atoms," or "wood" or "flesh and bone" is physical. (And don't get me STARTED on the question of whether the "superstrings" of "String" Theory should properly be called "physical" or not!)

Furthermore, many CHRISTIAN philosophers of science and religion (including some EVANGELICALS, like Nancey Murphy at Fuller Theological) STRONGLY reject the existence of "spiritual" realms, and the idea that people have "immortal souls," and whole-heartedly EMBRACE "materialism" or "physicalism"(albeit of the "non-reductive" variety), so we can't just ASSUME that all "materialists" are "atheists." Pullman is; Murphy and Warren Brown, for instance, are most definitely NOT! (See Murphy's short book- "Bodies and Souls, or 'Spirited' Bodies?" for more on this position)

And THEN, to make matters (no pun intended) even MORE complicated, there are "atheistic materialists," like the notable biologist Ursula Goodenough, and the philosopher Robert Solomon, who consider themselves to be "very spiritual" people! (Goodenough even calls her position "religious" naturalism"; see her book, "The Sacred Depths of Nature." Note the use of the terms "sacred," "depth," and "spiritual" by someone who most definitely does NOT believe in an Agent God (yes, I've spoken to her personally).

In other words, we have to be VERY CAREFUL before deciding that the books/movie(s) shouldn't be considered "spiritual."

I'll address the "transcendental ethics" question in another post...

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