Deepak Chopra: Are Sexual and Spiritual Energy the Same?
Thursday August 21, 2008
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Tantra believes sexual and spiritual energy are the same because they're the universe's creative energy. They can be used for passionate lovemaking or art, poetry, music, and be channeled for transformation and manifestation....
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Again here with sexual and spiritual as the beginning of the distinctions in this conversation we must be careful with our attention and be aware of any un-intended tricks of attention.
Like with subjective and objective there is a dramatic difference when you consider sex and spirit in the same sentence; therefore the manifestation and birth of Tantra where sex and spirit are consciously explored for the Intention To Cause Change.
Intention is the driving force of Consciousness and any conversation.
And here, with these terms and the fact that you, Deepak, are asking them; there is now a multidimensional stage for not only the verbally conversational dialogue about content and processes, like sex, but also Here is the Revelation Of The Living Environment in which we are all participating and creating this conversation,Now.
As Consciousness, all questions, answers and statements are different in any moment and are also not so observed are in motion; because the speaker and the listener are not static entities in time - and because as Consciousness Itself is learning to distinguish Itself in these multi-dimensions spaces – including creative conscious dialogue.
The actual question, at common cultural sense face value, is based on the presumption sex and spirit are separate - one is an act and one is something not fully understood by most. So already the potential for clarity, or even usefulness, as to an answer that makes sense is clouded.
HOWEVER, if the dialogue is to teach then the application of conscious sex by studying and applying Tantric practices for the sake of raising one’s own consciousness - THEN the dialogue is about changing or experiencing life in order to grow deeper and fuller into allowing conscious life to live us.
So which dialogue is it???
years ago a group of wise women and i were having dinner together and the subject of sex and the sacred came up. i confessed i could only reach orgasm if i imagined i was an observer and my husband was with someone else. one of the women whom i respected very much told me i should practice tantric sex to solve this problem. later at a large conference of wise women a woman seated next to me told me she dreamed that night her husband and her made love and conceived the universe! (i, on the other hand, had had the usual bleak nightmares.) she had ten kids, was thin and sexy and had just divorced her husband to marry a younger man!
i kept thinking, "dang, i'm the wrong religion! these women who offered this advice were all pretty and had mates. i was heading for separation and my husband's eventual suicide years later. i wonder if i should have chucked my infatuation with my catholic faith out the window and tried imaging the goddesses during sex as advised, and i'd still have a husband and my kids a father!
how do the paraplegic, the physically broken, deformed or ugly deal with god as sexual energy? is there any comfort for them in this? sex is one of the most profound experiences and closest to god many will ever feel in their lifetime. how do those barred from this physical experience use it to experience god?
Is it the stories and experiences of places and things unknown you wish to have? - will these bring you to the stable place where all which arises to you you will accept and revere and feel the instantaneous impulse of gratitude? Will a man give you this - can he?
I'm a married woman (no kids yet), a corporate executive, raised Christian, but someone who has studied numerous forms of healing / energy work and now I'm a Reiki master and deeply spiritual, but I wouldn't deem myself as "religious". I have also recently begun a more in depth study of Tantra - its roots in spirituality and the connection to Divine (divine energy / God, or Goddess if you prefer), along with the sexual aspects of tantra.
Here are my thoughts on what I've come to believe based on my personal experiences & learnings: While each culture / religion has its views on sex, reproduction, celebacy, monogamy, etc., one thing can't be denied: we are all sexual beings. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for sex (or more specifically, someone having an "o") and the sharing of two people & two souls (with some scientific exceptions). Some cultures repress sexuality and see it as "bad" or "dirty" or something to be shamed - at least anything outside of the purposes of procreation or within a monogamous marriage.
In one book I am reading on the subject, it states in Tantra there are 4 types of sex or purposes to sex:
Most of western culture is rooted in the first two. Images on TV, Beauty ads, porn, religious doctrates, school abstinence programs, etc. But as sexual beings, what if union with another person was about connecting to our true selves and the divine within us? What if we were taught as kids or young adults that being with yourself or another person is not just about the outside / physical stimulation, but its about a beautiful awakening to a higher energy or god / goddess / divine? And to treat any sexual experience as opening yourself up to an abundance of love and healing? I like to think that I would have significantly changed not only my values and who I chose to sleep with, but also created a deeper respect for myself by releasing any guilt or shame put upon me. I believe that deep respect for ourselves and others is a spiritual path.
So imagine if when you're with your husband/wife or significant other - whether you choose to be in a monogamous or polyamorous relationship(s) - you could both choose to come together for sake of opening yourself up to a greater energy, a connection to God, and a deeper love. Isn't in fact said somewhere in the bible that God said "when two or more people gather in my name I shall be present"?
I now believe that when that conscious INTENT is created before a union (and I don't mean necessarily a 3-hour love making session, but even a quickie in the kitchen!), it changes the game.
For other women out there (and some men of course) - have you ever experienced a moment where during or after love making you want to cry? Those emotions come up but we may feel silly, or shamed, or want to hide it. Maybe even emotions like anger come up. But that's the beauty if you stay in the "restorative" space of sex as a spiritual thing - to be able to be so open with a partner that you can be safe, release and feel whatever emotions need to come and work through it in that moment is a beautiful thing to be cherished, not hidden. That to me is spiritual and restorative.
My last comment... I think history has taught us that repressing sexuality can be very destructive (consider some Catholic priests, Im sure not the only religion with issues). Sexuality doesn't mean wild or reckless behavior. You CAN choose celebacy while still recognizing you're a sexual being with strong sexual energy. Ackowledging that you are a sexual being is important, and as Deepak referred to in the video you can channel that sexual energy into meditation, spiritual energy, connection to God, connection to the earth, art, poetry, etc. No matter if you're with 1 person, multiple people, or just with yourself. It's to be celebrated and enjoyed and transformed into a beautiful spiritual opening.
So khyberb???
are you Awake?
all energy is spiritual energy...........
I certainly agree with you that sex is more than procreation and recreation.Not all religions are awere of this. Sex goes beyond those two. Sex is deeper than humans can conceptualize. Spiritually revealed to me, I rather not delve into specifics here but rather save it for future revealations or manifestation. Except the almighty God reveals things to us,we will not understand the intricases and complexities of our magnanimous universe,yes, our magnanimous universe. With sex, much can be accomplished.
Please keep me posted with more interesting topics.
God bless you.
If sexual energy and the inner creative energies of our beings were meant to be in synch with the spritual aspect of our realm, people and spirits would be able to have a sexual/creative/expressive/ enlightenment in blissful unison. Can you feel fully sexually expressive with your spirit and "the spirit"? If this nirvana bliss of total and complete creative/sexual oneness was meant to be-sexual/creative unity would be possible with an angel! Your energies are your own and it is very difficult to try to create a fully equalized sexual/creative energy force in two separate humans. For we are separate beings, with separate spiritual, emotional, mental and physical vibrations. Yes, you can have harmonious sexual relations created in a unified, loving bond, but I will have a hard time ever fully embracing the nirvana of sexual/creative/pure totality between TWO humans.
Dear Deepak, How in the one song could we separate the two energies. Its the old game of naming something...capturing it, separating it, and without its whole it becomes a lie of sorts. ie: sexuality is not spirit! How did spirit create if it was not both? From whence did sexuality come if it did not come as an intrinsic part of the spirit. Are we not speaking of the one awareness that was here before all matter? Is not all that the All created a manifestation of its make up. I don't see any way sexuality could be separated from the whole.
It does bring up interesting questions though. Like: When someone takes a drug for depression, and it deadens the libido, is that an artificial separation from the One. Or....is the drug just one more example of the spirit playing with itself? (sorry :) Then we come upon the inexplicible such molestation and rape. Sexuality would normally create. Anyone care to figure out why we use our creative powers to destroy? That is part of spirit too from a human point in the hologram. Namaste, Jeannie
Yes, sexual energy is the same energy as spiritual energy (to a point). If sexual energy stops at the second chakra, it may be spiritual energy, but it's a "lower" level of expression than the spiritual love energy of the fourth chakra, or the fifth, sixth, seventh and beyond. And, as always, we have a choice of how to use our energy. But essentially, it is the creative energy of the universe manifesting in us, through us, and as us.
Jai Guru Dev,
Susannah
I believe that sexuality and spirituality are separated with the individuality of the soul. Not all humans are capable of having a sexual experience, through some sort of a deprevation or impairment that won't allow the person the experience.. given the right formula of a healthy human(s), sexuality and spirituality can connect through all the senses, but the level of arrousal varies at the performance of each individual..for example, I am a very passionate, emotional person and I feel that being spiritual can be enhance the sexual part of a relationship. So much circumstanes are involved, physical mainly can determine the level of excitement. Some have issues that block expressiveness, like my husband. He claims to be a spiritual person, but sexuality to him is separate, and almost perverse to the point of making one feel guilty of having a sexual thought. He separates the two. I believe that a meld is possible if each are willing to accept that it's "okay" with GOD to be human and learn from each experience. We believed to be each others soulmates, yet, time and circumstances proved to make us question if we were truly ment to be together, because sexuality became a very big issue. Now we are separted. Ego got in the way.
in the anicient time it was true that both the energy were same because the people had used this sexual enrgy not only for enjoyment.Both the activities require the higher concentration, affection, love and lot of devotion between two partner (For sexual energy naturally a man and a woman and for spritual energy your direct connection with God or spirit or Self). But now in the modern society this form of sexual energy is being used just like a play or enjoy ech other and after that forget it.It is just like how we use the nuclear energy - either for construction purposees or destruction.
So my views are unless we have fully devotion and real love each other we can not achieve thatlevel.People are working at sensual or mental or intellectual level. Until we use our forth level that is spritual level for our all activities we can not achieve our target or we an not achieve in real sense neither of. Naturally one can convert the sexual energy into the spiritual energy as mentioned above by other authors that is in the second chkra. The results come by using the spritual level are totally different as compared to using only our two energy level -sensual and mental in our daily activities including the sex also.
thanks for your comments.
When we talk sexual energy, we're talking about an experience, right? We can say, at least, what it feels like. I would then suggest seeing sexual energy in experiential terms. A rippling, flowing, tingling, and sometimes mind-blasting corruscation. Sex, to our awareness then, can become a phenomenal experience in the foreground, while spirit, its imagined source, resides invisibly in the background. It presents itself as invisible ripples on the surface of an invisible ocean. When these ripples occur, we MAY begin to get a "sense" of an inconceivable "beyond." We intuit a much larger dimensional depth. This does not mean that sex is "the" gateway to God (wouldn't we just love to take this literally). But like many experiences, it can be used that way, to open us up to dimensions behind those ripple effects. A mandala, imagined in a certain way, helps us receive an impression of deeper reality. Sex, imagined a certain way, may do the same. Sometimes.
Dear Deepak,
I heard a woman in one of your seminars talk about women squirting (actually ejaculating) from their vaginas ? Can all women squirt like this ? If this is so, it would seem that spiritual and sexual energy are the same.
Please let me know if all woman can squirt (even across a room) when expressing sexual energy. And HOW does that work ?
Dana
Aum Gam Ganapatayeh Namaha
.the characteristics of absolute existence being Sat-Chid-Ananda is the way that the static and the dynamic are dual and non-dual. so the answer would be equally solved and unsolved through the same answer to the nature all things being yes and no simultaneously. Let us be appreciative that we can experience it in whichever way we choose in the current lasting everlasting. Aum Sri Ganeshayeh Namaha.
Yes I believe that they are the same. The reason I say that is I could not understand why so many people think that the only way to dispurse passion is only through sex.I hear so many people have so many sex partners & they are still unhappy or they feel they need to lie about what their intention are towards others. Sometime people think that if you are not using the passion for sex that you maybe weird.
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