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Mumbai Attacks - Deepak Chopra transcript from Larry King Live

Thursday November 27, 2008

Categories: Politics

(CNN) -- The Indian city of Mumbai exploded into chaos early Thursday morning as gunmen launched a series of attacks across the country's commercial capital, killing scores of people and taking hostages in two luxury hotels frequented by Westerners.


Deepak Chopra says extremists could be reacting to Barack Obama's gestures toward Muslims.

CNN's Larry King spoke with author Deepak Chopra about the situation.

Larry King: Let's go to Dr. Deepak Chopra, the physician, philosopher. His new book is "Jesus: A Story of Enlightenment."

Where were you born in India, Deepak?

Deepak Chopra: I was born in Delhi, but I have been in these hotels many, many times. I have stayed there, so I know the scene; I know the restaurants. I have been trying to get in touch with my friends and relatives, some of whom I have spoken to, some of whom I can't speak to. The lines are jammed. We're texting each other.

A friend of mine from Egypt was in the restaurant at the Taj hotel when the firing started, and somehow she managed to avoid the fray, hid in a basement and is now holed up in a room which is right next to the Taj hotel and is waiting to be told what to do.

The situation is complex, Larry, because it could inflame to proportions that we cannot even imagine. It has to be contained. We now recognize that this is a global problem, with only a global effort can solve this.

And you know, one of the things that I think is happening is that these militant terrorist groups are actually terrified that [President-elect Barack] Obama's gestures to the rest of the Muslim world may actually overturn the tables on them by alienating them from the rest of the Muslim world, so they're reacting to this.

You know, this is Obama's opportunity to actually harness the help of the Muslims.

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You know, there's 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. That's 25 percent of the population of the world. It's the fastest-growing religion in the world. We cannot, if we do not appease and actually recruit the help of this Muslim world, we're going to have a problem on our hands.

And we cannot go after the wrong people, as we did after 9/11, because then the whole collateral damage that occurs actually aggravates the situation.

In India, this is particularly inflammatory, because there's a rise of Hindu fundamentalism. We saw what that did in Gujarat, where, you know, Muslims were scorched and they were killed, and there was almost a genocide of the Muslims.

India has 150 million Muslims. That's more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. So this is an opportunity right now for India and Pakistan to recognize this is their common problem. It's not a Muslim problem right now; it's a global problem.

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King: Do you think that this is just the beginning, that there's a potential impact, or more?

Chopra: There is a potential impact of a lot more carnage. But it can be contained. And right now, one of the questions, you know, after I heard Barbara Starr talking about how coordinated this is, that there are militant groups that cross international boundaries, is who is financing this? Where is the money coming from? We have to ask very serious, honest questions. What role do we have in this? Are our petrodollars funding both sides of this war on terrorism? Why are we not asking the Saudis where that money is going that we give them? Is it going through this supply chain to Pakistan?

It's not enough for Pakistan to condemn it. Pakistan should cooperate with India in uprooting this. They should be part of the surgery that is going to happen.

It's not enough for Indians to blame Pakistanis. Indians should actually ask the Pakistanis to help them.

And it's not enough for us to worry about Westerners being killed and Americans being killed. Every life is precious over there. We have got to get rid of this idea that this is an American problem or a Western problem. It's a global problem, and we need a global solution, and we need the help of all the Muslims, 25 percent of the world's population, to help us uproot this problem.

King: What does India immediately do?

Chopra: India at this moment has to contain any reactive violence from the fundamentalist Hindus, which is very likely and possible. So India has to condemn that by not blaming local Muslims. They have to identify the exact groups.

And the world has to be very careful that they don't go after the wrong people. Because if you go after the wrong people, you convert moderates into extremists. It happens every time, and retribution against innocent people just because they have the same religion actually aggravates and perpetuates the problem.

King: Are you pessimistic?

Chopra: I think Mr. Obama has a real opportunity here, but a challenging opportunity, a creative opportunity.

Get rid of the phrase "war on terrorism." Ask for a creative solution in which we all participate.

King: Is it because the war on terrorism really can never be won because the terrorists (inaudible)?

Chopra: Because it's an oxymoron. It's an oxymoron, Larry, a war on war, a war on terrorism.

You know, terrorists call mechanized death from 35,000 feet above sea level with a press of a button also terror. We don't call it that, because our soldiers are wearing uniforms. They don't see what is happening, and innocent people are being killed. So, you know, terror is a term that you apply to the other.

King: Thanks, Deepak Chopra, as always, extraordinarily enlightening.

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Your Name
November 28, 2008 7:57 PM

Dipak belongs to the part of good world, who is above and beyond cynicism. I hope and pray that good world unite against the bad world and win over evil - whether institutional or not.

Darcy
November 29, 2008 2:41 AM
http://www.magicofhealing.com

Thank you Deepak, as always, for your insightful perspective.

My thoughts and prayers go out for your friends and relatives that you have been trying to contact in Mumbai.

Sensible Person
December 2, 2008 1:11 PM

What an idiot. At a time like this, he chooses to spout meaningless platitudes.

Chopra should be ashamed of himself.

Your Name
December 7, 2008 9:54 PM

All words are thoughts.
All thoughts are based on either a fear or a desire.
A fear is a thought of losing something that is not real.
A desire is a thought of wanting something that is not real.
Now see everything you read here. Are they real enough to create more comments here ? Are your interpretations free from your wants or fear?
Life happens to us and world appears as interpreted to minds. Mind does not make the life happen otherwise we all would be millionaires. Mind does not understand what the real life is. Mind has waves after waves of thoughts.This world has many versions. Each conditioned mind has its own version. We are what we think we are. One mind describes its version of the world using its own selection of words. From words many more words and thoughts arise. Again they all are interpreted by many minds. Accepting the 'now' moment is the only reality ...real peace ... real oneness. Peace is not out there. Peace is here now, not in ideas, not in news media and not in revenge theories or blaming games.
Can we accept that all our minds are conditioned? Can we let go the conditioning that we can change the world. Then see if we have words to comment upon ? Someone who reads this email may not even display it on the web. It all depends on how one is conditioned to accept this world or words. Change happens when the unknown grace wants it.
Life happens to us as the grace provides it but various versions of the world happens to our minds. Mind can not cease to exist at its own. It is the grace that makes a man mindless. Till then words will continue to put meaning to the world. Mind can not understand life. It tries to comment and explain like the posting of the comment is happening. Please guess who is writing a URL to the above comment. Guess who is moving these fingers.
The same unknown grace makes Deepak to write,Larry to ask questions and you to read. Who is reading interpretations based on inverted images on your retina ? You are reading this here and now because you could not be anywhere else. Deepak too was on Larry's show and words happened because he could not be anywhere else.
Right or wrong are interpretations. They too happen as mind happens to function.

Ari Saja
December 16, 2008 7:27 PM

Chopra's main point is that atrocities committed by Islamist extremists should, and can, be ended by appeasing Muslims. This ignores the reality that most terrorist acts are organized by the Pakistani military and funded by the US taxpayer (through ignorance) and the Arab oil shiekh (through malice and greed). Chopra's stupid notion is extremely insulting to the millions of Indian Muslims who are just as patriotic and peaceful as their Hindu or Christian or Buddhist or Jain compatriots. On top of that he brings in an utterly one-sided and false view of the horrible events of Gujarat 2002, which started with the burning alive of 58 Indians (including people of all religions) by a rabid Muslim mob. In the ensuing riots, a few more of the dead were Muslims than Hindis, but many of the dead were policemen trying to stop violence. Chopra obviously made his comments to sell more books to the terminally clueless, of which there is no lack in the US or India. He knows that he is no danger of being asked to go try out his "solution" with the Lashkar-e-Toiba and suffering the sort of horrible death by torture that so many innocents have suffered at the hands of those whom he asks the rest of us to "appease". Hope you enjoy the blood money, Dr. Chopra.

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