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Finding Faith/Losing Faith 1

Tuesday July 31, 2007

Categories: Books, Conversion

I let the cat out of the bag Saturday in the Weekly Meanderings and the nice conversation that followed from it. I linked to the story of the reporter named Lobdell who, after a conversion to the faith and after covering the religion scene for a good long while, has walked away from his Christian faith. I mentioned then that I was doing some research on conversion theory and apostasy, so here's the first in a series this month on loss of faith. My question will come up later in this post.

In 2002 "we" -- not Tony and I -- published a book on conversion theory and how that theory shows up in the Gospel stories of conversion. The book is called Turning to Jesus. The basic thesis is this: all converts go through a similar process. It begins in one's context, is prompted by a crisis, leads to a quest for a resolution, finds itself in an interaction and encounter with the advocates (Bible, charismatic evangelist, etc), leads to a commitment and to consequences. Conversions, of course, vary -- some have an intense crisis while some simply shuffle through a series of "gentle nods of the soul."

In that book, which is rooted in Lewis Rambo's monumental Understanding Conversion, I stated that all conversions involve apostasy -- and saying so is not so much a moral judgment or a theological position as a social description. To enter one faith system, one leaves another. (Children emerging into faith is a little different, but that is not the point here.)

I am working now on the last chapter in a book for Baylor University Press tentatively called Finding Faith/Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy. "We've" done one on why evangelicals become Roman Catholic, one on why Jews become messianic, one on why Catholics become evangelicals and the study I am presently doing is on why people abandon the Christian faith.

Today's post is a brief one but I'll do some more this month. I begin with the story of Charles Templeton, told in his Dawkins-like diatribe Farewell to God. Famously, Templeton was a close Canadian associate of Billy Graham and a powerful evangelist with Youth for Christ and church-building pastor in Toronto. Everyone knew of his legendary preaching abilities and the impact he was having in evangelism and preaching. In the 1950s, just before Billy's famous LA Crusade, Templeton revealed to Billy Graham that he was struggling with his understanding of Scripture, inspiration, and overall biblical commitment. He said he and Billy were on two different paths.

Well, I can't tell the whole story here. What I see in Templeton's decision to abandon the faith is the clash of scientific data with the biblical record -- in other words, Templeton had an intellectual crisis from the conflict of scientific facts with the biblical worldview. Templeton left his church, went to Princeton Theological Seminary, then was employed as a mainline evangelist but within a few years, because he could not with integrity continue to preach what he was no longer sure of, left preaching altogether.

For Templeton it was all about intellectual freedom. It was a hard difficult decision for Templeton, but here are his words: "The oft-postponed decision irrevocably made, there came a soaring sense of freedom, not least, intellectual freedom.... My mind could freely quest where it would. I could examine any question without a predisposition to harmonize it with the body of Christian belief. I felt loosed. Set free!" (222).

"In the end, one must follow the truth as one perceives it. Not to do so is to live a lie" (224).

While one cannot reduce Templeton's loss of faith to his problems with Genesis or the Bible, these issues for the heart of his crisis. What do you think the Church can do more to encourage genuine research on these issues and, what is far more important, bring such research into the local church? What does your local church do? What about your own journey?

This book is a record of his response, but it comes off as a lengthy diatribe against the Genesis accounts, the entire presentation of God in the Bible, the improbability of miracles, the moral hypocrisy of the Church in history, the strange stories of some pastors, how the Bible and Church understand women, and the Christian theory of good and evil. It isn't simply the rant of a disaffected Christian but it does turn into this at times. Most of his argument is by assertion and logic.

Templeton, who died in 2001 after a lengthy, successful career as a newspaper, magazine and TV editor and leader, was an agnostic -- not a theist (he doesn't think one can believe in a personal God), not an atheist (the evidence is the same against God as for God), but an agnostic (one can't know such things).

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Julie
August 1, 2007 4:18 PM
http://julieunplugged.blogspot.com/

Ha - we're in the same place via different paths:

These are my questions too: Is there a God and do I have to believe in one to be a Christian?” “If there is a God, what is his/her nature?”

I think it's a great place to begin and end, actually.

Mike Haubrich, FCD
August 2, 2007 7:44 AM
http://tuibguy.blog-city.com

Hey, I have read all of the comments here, and appreciate the responses to my post, and have also enjoyed reading the responses to Mariam's (who seems to have had similar experiences to what I have had; including a painful example of betrayal on which I don't wish to elaborate here.)

Brian #60. I am not sure what you are referring to in your question as to whether atheism better explains Christianity or if Christianity better explains atheism. Would you care to expand?

As to whether Christianity or atheism better explains the world, that is an open question as well and I would say a subjective one. Which part of the world do you want explained? I certainly trust the objective nature of philosophical naturalism; but while philosophical naturalism is by definition necessary for atheism it doesn't automatically lead to atheism (as I am sure that many of you have learned.)

The question of meaning is a personal one, and the answers are going to be subjective, based on personal experience and human authority. I find great meaning without God, and again the teachings of theologians, philosophers and prophet (for lack of a better word) can be either enlightening or infuriating; can be based on logic or based on "irrational" if heartfelt conclusions. I see them, though, as coming from human inquiry and have seen no convincing evidence that they come from a supernatural source.

And I understand where Julie is coming from (#67) in needing a spiritual connection, and choosing Christianity because she had a basis and background in that religion whether she accepts the "pillars of faith." Atheism in America and most of the Christian world is depicted as an anti-Christian stance, and many atheists are anti-Christian because of the fact that it is such a dominant religion in our society. But remember that atheists are also non-believers of the other religions as well. So the apostasy of the atheist here, is the same as the apostasy of the atheist in the Muslim or Jewish worlds. None of the religions have provided the satisfaction we seek.

I recommend a series of posts by a Christian friend of mine, Alden Swan. He and I have clashed over whether Intelligent Design is a form of Creationism of the Genesis 1:1-11 type, while remaining friendly (and neither one of us is likely to convert the other to a new "apostasy.") He is conscious of the image that some Christians project which prevent people from listening to evangelization, and some of the things that they do to maintain a level of discivility between Christians and atheists. Check out his version of a "Letter to a Christian Nation." (4 posts so far.)

Part one.

Gary Amirault
August 2, 2007 10:38 AM
http://www.tentmaker.org

Speaking of conversions and apostasies:

Speaking of conversions and apostasies, I had a very dramatic and powerful conversion from atheism to Jesus Christ 22 years ago that has taken me to the highest mountains and the lowest of valleys. I say conversion to Jesus Christ because that is exactly what it was. However, I find most Christians very quickly are converted to some denomination of Christianity. Because I was extremely verbal as a result of the power of the Holy Spirit upon me, people wanted me to join their church. I was a natural magnet drawing all sorts of converts.

But through a long story I won’t relate, I found myself in hundreds of different churches from different denominations within a very short period of time which forced me to look into every doctrine, creed, and dogma Christians have anesthetized each other over for the last 2,000 years. This forced me into deep studies which brought me into deep church history. Of course any honest soul who looks into Church history will wonder why the church became one of the most corrupt murderous institutions on this planet! How could God have allowed this?

Then the digs into textual criticism, documentary hypothesis, contradictions, contradictory accounts by various translations. Oh the nightmares trying to sort all this out. I recall one day after expressing my pessimism about “church,” he gave me an audio tape by a Dallas Theological Seminary professor. Oh, how he could use those $20 dollar theological terms but when it was all said and settled, he didn’t say a damned thing to me. It was all theological rubbish, dog food! My soul was untouched by his rhetoric. I then proceeded to scream at the top of my lungs to God while driving down I70 in a tiny Ford Festiva, “That’s it, I quit, I’m not serving you anymore. Beam me up Scottie. I know I’m going to heaven if I die. Send a lightning bolt down right now, hit me on the forehead and take me home. This Christian life stinks. I was better off as an atheist than I am now. Kill me now, I’m tired of being a Christian.”

Before I went home, I visited an old man with a prophetic bend to me to let off a little more steam. He was the kind of man who let you be what and where you are. No condemnation. I spilled my guts to him and he chuckled. He thought my tirade quite funny although it wasn’t funny to me. “Gary, I haven’t read these booklets I got in the mail recently, but I think they are for you.” When I got home I instantly began to read all fourteen of them. They were a series entitled “Just what do you mean?” Some of the subtitles were “Just What Do You Mean ‘Eternity.” “Just what do you mean Hell.” “Just What Do You Mean, God is Love.” “Just What Do You Mean, Lake of Fire.” Etc.
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm

After reading those booklets and searching seminary libraries to see if what was in these booklets might be true, a huge weight lifted off of me. So many things that were weighing me down with doubt lifted off of me. I found that through my many years in “Church,” institutions pulled me off of the Vine, which is Christ’s true body. I was being grafted into theological nonsense, not into the Living Word. Most Christians have long been ungrafted from the Life in Christ and been grafted into various forms of religious bondage. Fortunately for me, God did send a lightning bolt to me that day I asked to die. I did die that day. I died to religion that I might live for Christ alone.

Oh, yes, I still have many questions and problems. God usually does not supply answers to my questions fast enough especially the big ones. But as someone on this blog mentioned earlier, there is a hook inside of me that won’t let me go. It’s not wishful thinking, it’s not human brainwashing, it’s not hypnosis, it is the Holy Spirit who Jesus promised He would send. He can be quenched, He can be grieved, He can be forsaken, He can be denied. When that spark goes out in one’s conscience (not the He ever leaves) then fear, doubt and unbelief begins to take root. Then one becomes a department head of the religious department of a university planting seeds of doubt about God into the next generation of lost kids.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/awesomelymade.htm

Gary Amirault
August 2, 2007 10:44 AM
http://www.tentmaker.org

I noted the term "emergent" here. It's a term I come across frequently lately. I always connect Brian McLaren with the term. Could you send me a brief definition of what the term emcompasses? Thanks, Gary Amirault

Scot McKnight
August 2, 2007 11:06 AM
http://www.JesusCreed.org

Gary,

Check here: http://www.jesuscreed.org/?p=1691

It is my Bloglossary in the Categories of my sidebar.

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