Blue Parakeet Passages in the Bible

Hi Scot,

Funny how i just started the book about two hours ago... the above sounds quite familiar. To be honest with you, i am greatly looking forward to the read because you are looking at the bible through the same set of 'question asking glasses' that i have been; and as many of your students have as well over the past couple years. I am now a part time seminary student and a full time youth pastor, and have been confronted in my study by many parakeet passages over the past couple of years. I am grateful for the book and will look forward to any blog conversations that involve looking directly at some of the blue parakeets of yourself and others who are enriched by the dialogue on this blog. Here are a couple of mine, that i know are not new:

Gen 1-11 (Still haven't found anyone who discusses this in a way that has answered questions that arise out of this from a theological standpoint [noah, babel, etc. epic's that weren't historical? Adam historical?]... maybe you address it in the book?... if not, any good places to start?);

militant passages such as Joshua (how do i dialogue about a God of liberation without simply jumping past this part of the Exodus story?... I love Bell's new book, but he and everyone else I have read seem to gloss over this difficult parakeet)

Anyway, i will look forward to the book and to further conversation. Thanks for making room for us young evangelicals to ask questions and to seek new ways of being the community of Jesus!

Scot,

I just purchased your book -- even though I've been participating in this blog for about a month and had seen some of your posts via RSS for the last several months. Plan to read it over the Christmas holiday if not before.

So, whatever write now is totally in ignorance of what you have written in The Blue Parakeet.

I have attempted over the last 3 years to introduce to my students applying the Bible by "Principle" and not just by plain sense reading.

Additionally, I have tried in my own way to deal with difficult passages (such as the massacres of the Canaanites by Joshua) by appreciating the cultural context in which those events occurred.

I don't know if I've gotten all these explanations 100% correct to my students, but, then again, a lot of us are still sorting out all the details and the implications of switching from a more literal view of Scripture to a more "wholistic" and culturally appreciative view.

I look forward to seeing more in this thread and learning more of the things that God has revealed to you (and the other contributors here).

Note to Kurt #2 : RJS blogs in this blog about Gen 1 - 11. We've been having some wonderfully energetic discussions there.

Scot,

You mentioned this passage in a post recently, but I've been reading the Epistles of Cyprian lately and the interpretation of these gospel passages is key:

Mt 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

Mt 18:18 Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

Jn 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.

In time of great persecution (ca. 250 AD) Cyprian (and the church) interpreted these verses to say that if the church did not forgive the sin and receive back into communion the repentant fallen brother or sister that person would be forever condemned by God.

On the other he had reasoned that if the Church erred and was fooled by an unrepentant person God would see the truth and condemn the person despite the verdict of the church.

In other words - he took the ability of the church to bind and retain sin very seriously; but qualified the ability of the church to loose and forgive.

Pick and Choose (practicing discernment) is a practice of long tradition. (And a necessary practice of course.)

naural -> natural, sorry.

Scot,

Finally finished the book...took lots of notes which I will be blogging through. I appreciated the way in which you discussed the process of discernment.

Having spent 10 years in a church that practiced footwashing, I must say that the pondering I have done actually points away from "normal hospitality" as an updated form of "footwashing" ... and leads more to the riskier hospitality that calls for the embracing of serving tasks that most people feel are "beneath" them ... or even more pointedly, that most people feel are beneath their exalted leaders!

Footwashing was the lowest of the low jobs ... and yet it is the one that Jesus chose to teach his disciples about becoming "the least". It is almost like the old joke about there being a task that "anybody" could do and "somebody" should do but "nobody" did it.

We are called to be the "nobody" that actually does what "could" or "should" be done but is too often neglected. Like loving the unlovely or the enemy ... living the Jesus Creed.

This is part of what I have come to call the Purple Martyrdom. It is the very common cross that we are all called to pick up daily as we follow Christ ... to be the "nobody" in the "body" of Christ is to be one with each other and one with Christ. And that is the very essence of being "somebody"!

...let those with eyes to see....

Well, Bob ... I do think it takes lots of pondering to get to solid discernment -- and I tend to be open for regular updates to previously discerned issues. ;^)

Footwashing can be a powerful experience of grace and mercy and love. It can also be a dangerous experience of fawning over the privilege of washing leaders' feet. I wish it was more frequently and consistently practiced from the position of leaders to followers.... I think it has sometimes been overtaken by the example of the woman who washed Jesus' feet with her tears and dried them with her hair ... and I don't believe any of us should receive that kind of worship.

Just my two cents, of course....

Scott, I've lurked your blog for awhile now with little, if any, comment. I read Parakeet last week and wanted to tell you how helpful and powerful it was to me. Thanks.