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Spiritual Disciplines: A Critique

Friday November 7, 2008

Categories: Prayer and Formation
For some, the essence of the Christian life is the practice of spiritual disciplines. It's a kind of machine-like approach to the Christian life: get your life enmeshed in the disciplines and spirituality will be the product. I exaggerate. But...
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mariam
November 7, 2008 1:12 AM

I see spiritual disciplines like daily offices, meditations etc. as a means not so much of developing my inner self, but as reminders that God is in charge. It is easy to get distracted by the world if you do not have a spiritual routine.

David
November 7, 2008 1:59 AM
http://davidsdailydosage.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/where-is-the-emphasis-on/

Scot, I think you're spot on!
The funny thing is that two weeks ago I also wrote a piece related to this subject.

Cheers! David

RJS
November 7, 2008 6:59 AM

Brief diversion - Double click on comments shows all comments on a long thread, but still truncates the original post to the stub. Is it possible to show the whole post and all the comments? I expect this is a limitation of the software but...

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John Gallagher
November 7, 2008 7:06 AM

That's really interesting.

If we assume that the further down some kind of 'path of holiness' we journey along, we experience more of the (tangible) presence of God, then the whole communal aspect forces us to share this in some way. To not keep the gift of the experience of Christ but partake with each other.

Which, I suppose could be considered a fairly hefty 'death to self'.

It's cosy and safe and enjoyable to go into my 'closet' and spend time in Gods presence, cultivating the interior life. But if that is all I have, then you could argue that its sum is a life of selfishness - even if it does result in me personally changing and producing good fruit.

Maybe as we journey through to selflessness we ultimately learn that we need to give the individual experience away to some degree (not altogether I don't think) in order to genuinely and authentically share in the fullness of Christ's life in and through us. Perhaps that's where the body of Christ finds her true self. Hmmm.

I guess the key is bias.. it has been heavily towards the individual, are we now moving back to a more biblical bias of deep communal spirituality, and learning how to do that..?

I hope that makes some sense.. I apologise for my incohesive rambling nature.

Diane
November 7, 2008 7:07 AM

RJS,

I think I single clicked but I have the whole post and the comments. I only write this to say it is possible ... I don't really understand how I achieved this nirvana.

Scot, I do worry that the spiritual disciplines get too individualized ... will provide more on how Brazo says Jesus, Paul, James understood life and spiritual life?

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 7:17 AM

OK, I'd like to hear some reflections on these questions:

How did Jesus or James or Peter or Paul or John understand spirituality? If you had to put a few words on any of them to describe their understanding of the spiritual life, what would they be? How did they understand the spiritual disciplines?

RJS
November 7, 2008 7:28 AM

Being duly rebuked I return to topic at hand

Scot,

Starting with Jesus - in terms of "Spiritual Disciplines" the only thing I see is a deep prayer life. A spiritual life requires time to pray in solitude - a relationship with God.

Are any other spiritual disciplines actually modeled by Jesus?

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 7:34 AM

RJS,

He fasted; he practiced solitude; never told others to do the same.

I would say that for Jesus genuine spirituality was a love for God and a love for others and not a mastery of disciplines.

I fear the emphasis we hear so much today: "practice this discipline" and you will "become more spiritual." This leads to the view that a spiritual person is someone who practices the disciplines.

RJS
November 7, 2008 7:38 AM

In the practice of Jesus - wasn't solitude always for prayer? And other than the wilderness and temptation episode after baptism, is there any evidence that he fasted?

The wilderness episode was formational, not a regular spiritual discipline.

Nancy
November 7, 2008 7:57 AM

Jesus practiced the discipline of service and taught his disciples to do the same. Feeding, healing, washing feet....

Your Name
November 7, 2008 8:22 AM

I'm sure 1st century Jewish spiritual practices played the major role in the development of Jesus, but I don't know many resources that have built upon this. Keeping the Sabbath, following the Jewish calendar and Feasts of Israel, wearing Tzizit or fringes (Numbers 15:37-41), Jewish life cycles and rites of passage (birth, puberty, death, etc.), the Shema (see Jesus Creed by Scot McKnight), praying the Psalms, etc. Most of these practices took place within the community and I would think questions of personal spiritual autonomy and development apart from formation within the traditional practices of the community simply didn't exist.

Dan Brennan
November 7, 2008 8:50 AM
http://danbrennan.typepad.com/

I see a renewed emphasis of spiritual disciplines--for an impact upon the self--our inner selves. I also see more of a focus on the communal experience of spiritual disciplines. I think though, if we look at the overall biblical picture of the disciplines that a huge part of it, is the discipline of kingdom-advancing conversations with others who share the image of God.

Your Name
November 7, 2008 8:51 AM

"God has given us the Disciplines of the spiritual life as a means of receiving his grace. The Disciplines allow us to place ourselves before God so that he can transform us."
Richard Foster, Celebration of Discipline, p. 7


Among the displines Foster mentions (some already have been mentioned in the comments): meditation (Ps 119), and study (Deut 11:18, John 8:32, 2 Tim 3:16).

RJS
November 7, 2008 8:57 AM

But what evidence do we have that Jesus or the Apostles practiced these disciplines? (Other than prayer in solitude, for which I think there is evidence.)

Kristie Berglund
November 7, 2008 8:58 AM

I think John 13-17 gives us an interesting picture of Jesus' particularly Trinitarian spirituality and his desire for his disciples to join in that same abiding, indwelling relationship with the Father and the Spirit that he himself lived. We do see disciplines such as service (Jn 13) and prayer (Jn 17) interwoven into this, but they seem to serve this greater spirituality of union with Jesus and the Father through the Spirit. Just some thoughts.

Keith Schooley
November 7, 2008 9:00 AM
http://www.schooleyfiles.com

Jesus may never have told his followers to fast or practice solitude, but he did operate in a Jewish context in which he could make the assumption, "When you give... When you pray... When you fast." I think the disciplines are a means of expressing love for God and love for others (remember that there are corporate disciplines too); a false dichotomy should not be imposed between the Disciplines and the Two Greatest Commands.

Paul relates spirituality to understanding spiritual truths, as contrasted with human intellectualism. How exactly we would come to this understanding he doesn't make clear; he evidently expects it to be reflected in obedience to God and in our interpersonal relations.

Certainly a mechanistic and individualistic view of the disciplines--or worse, a view of spirituality that is comprised of nothing but practicing one's "quiet time"--is wrong. But it is worth remembering that much of what we may now term "spiritual disciplines" was simply common practice in the first-century Jewish context, and for that reason may have been assumed, rather than specifically addressed, in the NT texts.

Rick
November 7, 2008 9:08 AM

If Scripture encourages these practices, and since Scripture was insprired by God (Trinity), and the N.T. by the Apostles (or those close to the Apostles), can we not assume they praciticed what they preached without actually having a specific account of them doing them?

P.S. Sorry for the "Your Name" in the Foster quote comment.

Erik Leafblad
November 7, 2008 9:14 AM
http://eleafblad.wordpress.com

Two things: Let's be careful not to rule out these disciplines (not saying we are) just because there isn't explicit evidence that Jesus did them. There isn't explicit evidence that Jesus went to church, sat in a pew, listened to a sermon, as we do. Christian practices need to have a grounding in the story of Scripture, of course, but they will evolve. There is, then, plenty of evidence that the church has practiced these spiritual practices for some time. That is compelling for me.

Second, and more to the point of this post, I believe that unless spiritual formation/disciplines are understood within a framework as formation for mission our notion of spirituality will be less than what it should be. That is, Jesus seemed to want his disciples (indeed his church) to develop a spiritual life (whether he used that word or not) for the sake of others, for sake of bearing witness to him in their communal life together and individually. Paul I think understands this (cf. Philippians 2). I've found Karl Barth very instructive on this point where in CD IV/3.2, paragraph 71 he writes about the benefits of Christ not being the focus of discipleship, but discipleship being about our vocation as Christ's witnesses. So, he reframes certain pious practices as all well and good, so long as they become a means to the end of being formed for God's mission, and not the end in themselves. A missional spirituality, if you will.

Nitika
November 7, 2008 9:20 AM
http://themoralcompassblog.blogspot.com/

"To begin with, the focus in the Bible is almost never on "my" personal, spiritual development and spiritual formation."

I would say the Bible is the story about God and his people. The personal/individual aspect gets magnified greatly with the American lens that values individuality so much.

I see spiritual disciplines as a methodology that we bodily humans have developed of interacting with the spirit world. There is certainly nothing uniquely Christian about most (any?) of them. They are practiced widely across the religious spectrum.

I would love to see you interact with Willard's "The Divine Conspiracy". He says something like, "we do something different with our body in order to be able to do something we are unable to do with direct effort." Disciplines are a means, not an end.

Brian McLaughlin
November 7, 2008 9:28 AM
http://triangularchristianity.wordpress.com/

Scot asked "How did Jesus or James or Peter or Paul or John understand spirituality?" When it comes to Paul, no one has mentioned THE most important study on this topic: Gordon Fee's God's Empowering Presence. For Paul, the adjective "spiritual" always has to do with the Holy Spirit. Even the term "Spirit" which is often lower-case in our English Bibles usually refers to the Holy Spirit (occasionally to the human spirit). So, for Paul, being "spiritual" is all about being a person of the Holy Spirit. We can grieve Him, Paul says, but we don't "develop" him.

I don't know that I've ever seen a similar study on Jesus or James...

Brian McLaughlin
November 7, 2008 9:35 AM
http://triangularchristianity.wordpress.com/

One more note to challenge Scot. You said "He fasted; he practiced solitude; never told others to do the same." Even if we don't have an instance recorded where Jesus told others to do these things, we are told to imitate Jesus in Paul. Furthermore, the Synoptics often give portraits of the disciples, positive and negative, to be instructional for the communities reading these accounts, right? So can't portraits of Jesus be instruction to us even if it isn't a command?

Saying that we don't do it just because Jesus didn't say it resembles those who only focus on the imperative tense, not the indicative, as if the imperative makes it more important (even though we ignore imperatives like greeting all the household churches in Romans 15!).

Am I off?

tscott
November 7, 2008 9:38 AM

In today's modern/post clash, a critique
of spiritual disciplines is in contrast
to the reformational means of grace.

Leaving aside the claims to is it
scriptural or not, don't you all think
the call to disciplines is a sort of
Christian muscle building, and a late
enlightment reaction to modern
Christianity.

I prefer the creedal approach, seeing
it as many, many feedings rather
than one big meal. Have you heard that
the library is also a place of prayer,
and the chapel is also a place of study.
I bring this up because the disciplines
we practice seem to blend into a way
of life. And how much more must we say of Jesus!
and the study


Daryl
November 7, 2008 9:50 AM

Doesn't Jesus explicitly avoid fasting while at the same time implying that it is a valid practice that his followers would use later? (Mark 2:18-20 and parallels). In that passage he doesn't explicitly say he doesn't fast (just the disciples), but I guess I've taken it to mean that.

For Paul, is "in Christ" his favorite catch-phrase for spiritual life? E.g. he talks about the Corinthians being "mere infants in Christ" (1 Cor 3:1), and he uses the phrase frequently. Is this language about his practiced faith, or is it merely an objective belief (such as, following Christ in faith means "in Christ")?

Jim Martin
November 7, 2008 9:56 AM

One problem that I see in way some approach the spiritual disciplines today is that at times, the focus seems to be more on the self than on what is to be formed. Consequently, in at least some instances, the emphasis seems to be more on what one is practicing than on what is being formed. If one is not careful, the end result of such an attitude can be a sort of pride in what is being practiced.

In other words, the disciplines are a means and not an end.

RJS
November 7, 2008 9:57 AM

Keith (9:00 am),

Your comment on the sermon on the mount had occurred to me as well. Jesus doesn't seem to model these practices, but in this passage he assumes that his listeners do them and will continue to do them (fast, pray, give). But is this because the times have not yet changed - his followers are still Jews following Jewish law and practice - or is it a timeless expectation?

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 9:59 AM

One thought that responds to one or more comments or clarifies something:

The issue is not whether or not Jesus practiced or taught spiritual disciplines per se, but whether he (or Paul or James or John or Peter) looked at them as disciplines that developed our personal spirituality.

Jesus recited Shema (as Jesus Creed); he prayed along with other Jews three times a day ... so did Paul and James and Peter and John. Did they help them spiritually? Of course ... the issue is this: were they done in order to foster spirituality? My contention is that there is something unhealth-ily self-focused in too much of the modern discussion of spiritual disciplines.

Someone brings up Spirit in Paul -- bingo! And for Paul Spirit was a virtue development work of God, of course, but the Spirit propelled into a missional life.

Do we abort the spiritual process if we see disciplines as fostering our inner selves and not something that fosters in order to create a missional life of loving God and others? That's the sort of thing I'm getting at with how Jesus, et al, frame the spiritual life.

Mick
November 7, 2008 10:04 AM

I wonder if their relationship with the Holy Spirit was different from ours? Not that it is supposed to be or that theirs was a special dispensation. Neither am I referring to particular manifestations of charismata being the difference. I'm wondering if spending time with Jesus, learning who he was, what life in the kingdom of God was all about and what the role of this mysterious comforter would be when he came was still so fresh to them that, as they were waiting for the Spirit to come, they were ready to receive him. Not perfectly, or in a way not possible for us today but humbly open to receive the presence, power and ministry of the Spirit to form them into the way of Jesus. Perhaps they then took more naturally and by faith the commands to be "filled with the Holy Spirit", or "walk in the Spirit..." etc, because the Spirit was so personal, alive and real to them. I'm not referring to those today who may experience "manifestations" of the Spirit on a Sunday, yet seem to not be that different the rest of the week. I'm speaking of a "life and godliness" that may or may not have been built on a life of practicing the SD's or such Sunday experiences. I wonder if so much of our seemingly well intentioned desire and effort to learn more about theology, learn how to practice the SD's more successfully, try and generate a pentecostal epiphany, etc. are still all our efforts to do what the Blessed Father, Son and Spirit want to "gift" us as we gratefully believe, receive and live as children of God. Perhaps, to become a Spirit filled, Spirit formed man of God I must continue to become a child. I admit I am both drawn to and resist this way. I have seen glimpses of this way of living faith in poorer parts of the world. But overall, I must prefer to keep looking for the "latest and greatest" insight, book or plan to be like Jesus, one that I can implement when I have time and that fits best within my personality and schedule.

RJS
November 7, 2008 10:16 AM

Scot,

It seems to me that any fixation on the disciplines that is centered on "me" rather than "church" is misguided. So prayer develops relationship with God - and contributes to individual spiritual formation, but is worthless if that spiritual formation does not have concrete consequence for the church and community.

The measure of success is not internal emotional state, but external impact.

This is actually something that really bothered me about the Reveal survey. They asked a number of questions about service and mission opportunity - but asked the respondent to indicate how valuable it was for fellowship and personal spiritual growth in this highly individual feel good fashion. There was no expectation that a spiritual discipline or "service experience" should actually be for the good of the church and the world.

Erik Leafblad
November 7, 2008 10:21 AM
http://eleafblad.wordpress.com

Scot,

I'd say we don't abort them, rather we reframe them. I'm reminded of the timeless cliche: the antidote to misuse is not disuse, but proper use. Or something like that.

Lem
November 7, 2008 10:23 AM

I believe Jesus, Paul, John, James, and Peter characterized the Christian life as a life of obedience to Christ. If spiritual disciplines will lead to obedience to Christ then practice them. Our love for God should lead to obedience to Christ(John 14:15, 23-24, 15:10, 1 John 2:5-6, 5:13). Our hope should be on Christ and our faith should be oin this hope and this will lead to sanctification(1 John 3:1-3).

Darren King
November 7, 2008 10:42 AM
http://darrenbrett.wordpress.com/

I don't see this as an either "for yourself", or "for the church" issue. That seems to me a false dichotomy. We practice personal disciplines so we can more fully, deeply give ourselves to being the church.

In evangelicalism (which, as I've already stated previously, is a label that's been stretched almost to meaninglessness now) there is a decided LACK of disciplines, as opposed to an overemphasis.

I think of Dallas Willard's suggestion that rather than asking people "what would Jesus do?" - as if that's the magic solution to right living, we, as the church, should offer classes like "How to Turn the Other Cheek". Because the thing is, just like Michael Jordon shooting jump-shots, much of our spirituality is about honing the skills of our bodily being - bringing it into harmony with our other faculties. There's no short-cut in this process. Repetition is essential in order to condition ourselves to right responses in life.

And Scot, I'd like to suggest one note of clarity: when you say Jesus never told others to practice disciplines, I think its helpful to clarify that we have NO RECORD of him doing that. We don't know for sure he didn't. And, it seems to me, its quite possible that this was personal teaching he might have given to certain disciples, that would not necessarily be considered pertinent to the larger thrusts of gospel-telling - and thus, not recorded.

I remember having a conversation with Frederica Matthewes-Green about this issue. Being Eastern Orthodox she clearly sees the disciplines as essential. And her sense was that evangelicals seem somewhat lost, knowing that they're missing something, and having a desire for a deeper transformative experience, but lacking the tools and the teaching to get there.

I think she has a point.

John W Frye
November 7, 2008 10:49 AM
http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com

1 John 2:6--"Whoever claims to live in him [God] must walk the way Jesus did." If that is an imperative, the question arises "How did Jesus walk?" We recognize the term "walk" as a metaphor for "a way of life." The Gospels show us the Jesus Walk (Creed) in action.

John's "spirituality" then would include living a life the way Jesus did (in terms of Jesus' modification of the Great Commandment).

For James, spirituality is wisdom in practice.

For Peter, spirituality is enduring in the face of opposition (very active).

I guess that Paul's spirituality would be similar to John's, i.e., to quote Dallas Willard, "to live as Jesus would live if He were in my place."

All this within a Spirit-empowered *community* for the sake of winning others to the Jesus Way.

Your Name
November 7, 2008 10:54 AM

Alright, I'll take the bait. I wholeheartedly agree that as machines, disciplines of any kind are horrible, but as practical and thoughtful ways of saying "no" to the influence of the world, our flesh and the kingdom of darkness, and simultaneously saying "yes" to God's influence, they are absolutely necessary. Like most things we should approach them intelligently (people ruled by their appitites might want to consider various kinds of fasts, people attached to cash might want to consider aggressive giving, selfish people might want to serve more, etc.), but also humbly--asking God for direction and guidance for what he knows needs done for all. I don't know that we can cut this undertaking thin enough to separate "our personal spirituality" from becoming what God has in mind to become. Because it's personal. And spiritual. And what I am is what I end up spreading to others.

The NT may not ask "how's your spiritual life going", but if we want to use the terms of the NT, one of its absolute favorites is disciple--a disciplined person in a process of transformation towards Christ, taking whatever steps are helpful toward that end. Personal response to this is a must. I share the concern about viewing disciplines as mechanical instead of personal, but I'm more concerned that "Christian" today doesn't implicitly mean "serious apprentice of Jesus"--a person in training, which is the main way the NT talks about what we are invited to be. Paul also expressly spoke of, and I think assumed in many places, a kind of training--similar to athletic training, but for godliness. He told Timothy to "pursue" various virtues and "run" from other vices. How exactly does one "run" from the love of money, or "pursue" hope if not through prayer, giving, meditation on God's purposes and ways, worship of God, obedience, etc.? And Peter talked about "adding" goodness to our faith (and adding knowledge and adding and adding some more)--essentially developing greater and greater character towards Christlikeness. Paul says "whatever is good," etc., "think about these things." He said to pray continually. Let the word of Christ "dwell richly" in you. He told Timothy to study to show himself approved, capable of rightly handling the scriptures. And don't forsake assembling together. None of these things happen by themselves, nor will God do all of it without our conscious cooperation in small but necessary ways toward the implicit goal of disciples. Of course, all this assumes that the goals of God (such as missional agape) are at the heart of what is being taken in and sought by the disciple. But we must take the planks out of our own eye, even to help our neighbor.

In a nutshell, the use of the term "disciples" is thematic, and disciples are "disciplined" people. Christ's invitation to become his disciple sets the tone for much of the NT. We are persons in training. A disciple without disciplines is a misnomer.

Your Name
November 7, 2008 11:19 AM

Aren't the Disciplines about helping us "abide in Christ" as we get bombarded by the daily distractions of life?

Only by abiding in Him can we see the fruit that impacts the "external".

Michael
November 7, 2008 11:37 AM

An interesting question. And I think that the disciplines have too often been portrayed as an obligation to do vs. a means to an end.

Scot, how do you propose then that Christ-followers place themselves in a place where God can begin to restore humans from the damage of cracked eikons into perfected eikons?

Scott Eaton
November 7, 2008 11:41 AM

Maybe I'm too simplistic about this. But it seems to me that Jesus just went about "doing the Father's business." What might this business be? "To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." In other words loving God and loving others.

How? By looking for where God is at work and by listening to the Spirit's leadership. According to the parable of the mustard seed and the parable of the yeast the kingdom of God is growing all around us. We just have to look for it and get involved.

So maybe we make it all far too complicated and we just need to open our eyes and ears to God's direction (this might require some time with the Father in silence and solitude) and our eyes and ears to what is going on around us.

When it comes to walking with God maybe we can "just do it."

Carl
November 7, 2008 11:45 AM
http://www.whateverthings.org

I guess I never thought of the disciplines as something that were designed to merely develop personal spirituality (I'm not even sure what that means). I understand them as something that we practice to grow as disciples of Christ, to become conformed to the image of Christ. This will change the way we act, including our love for God and others. Can we really grow closer to God and not love others more? Maybe, it's about more properly defining spiritual formation and spirituality. Jesus, Paul, etc. didn't practice disciplines to foster spirituality, unless we mean by that walking in step with the Holy Spirit. They practiced disciplines so that they could better live their lives in a way pleasing to God - obeying his commands.

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 11:47 AM

Michael,

Yes, a means to the end of loving God and loving others. The issue is whether "spirituality" is defined exclusively in terms of relationship to God and the disciplines as designed to foster intimacy with God. They are more than that.

David
November 7, 2008 11:54 AM

Here's how I've seen/used spiritual disciplines in the past: When I look at Jesus, what are some things HE did to stay in tune with the father? For example, Jesus practiced solitude after he had been with large crowds. OK, I don't know about you, but when I've been bombarded with lots of interaction with folks, I get irritable, I lose my cool, and I need to be away for a while. Or rest/sabbath - we know Jesus practiced the Sabbath. I should do the same, keeping my focus on what I see Jesus focusing on. Prayer? Jesus would withdraw by himself and pray. Fasting? We see Jesus fasting at the beginning of his ministry, but Jesus also "fasted" by leading a very simple life.

So for me, these are examples of how traditional "disciplines" fit into Jesus' life and example, and my life practice.

Rebeccat
November 7, 2008 12:59 PM

Here's my take on the issue: I think that the disciplines, when practiced freely and focused properly, are really how we learn to lean on God, listen for His voice, follow the lead the of the Holy Spirit. They are probably also a way that we recharge and refocus. I also think they are helpful in kind of "unburying" the Holy Spirit. It seems to me that there is a tendency to not be able to access the power of the Spirit when we need it because we have buried it under all of our earthly concerns, and unwillingness to forgive or sins we have not given up. Then we are more vulnerable to sin, anxiety, inaction, discouragement, fear and unforgiveness. Which means we cannot live in community as God intends us to do. Without taking time to deliberately clear such things out, we cannot operate out of the Spirit as we ought to.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but there is a story from the later part of Jesus' ministry where the disciples were sent out to cast out demons and heal people. They came across one demon possessed person who they could not exorcise, so they brought the person to Jesus. Jesus quickly cast out the demon. His explanation to the disciples for why he was able to do it when they had not been able to was, "this kind takes prayer." But of course, in the moment, Jesus hadn't stopped for a time of prayer. He had already prayed so that when the time came that he was able to call on the full power of the Holy Spirit to cast out the demon. It seems to me that this is what spiritual disciplines ought to be about: helping us get to state where we are able to live in the power of the Holy Spirit. And we live in the power of the Holy Spirit exactly so we can relate with others and act in our communities in such a way that we are bringing the Kingdom of God to bear.

Perhaps the issue is not that we view spiritual disciplines and development as being focused on developing us as individuals. Perhaps it is that we see it as ending there. I think (and granted I am an American talking here, so I could be off) that in Jesus' and Paul's time there was an assumption that whatever one did, it was done in service to and for the benefit of community. So, spiritual disciplines and "growing in Christ" weren't done just to make us better, more spiritually alive people. Instead, we need to be better, more spiritually alive people for the specific purpose of living as community in a way which reflects the Kingdom of God. So it's not that our view of spiritual disciplines is wrong, necessarily. It's just terribly truncated and incomplete. Like building a structure with no intention of it ever being used. It does miss the point.

Mick
November 7, 2008 1:02 PM

Why do we eat, sleep and bath everyday? Why do we stay(mostly) in our traffic lanes? Why do we keep certain foods in refrigerators? We have both basic human and cultural ways of living as individuals and persons in community. There are both natural and sometimes unnautural ways we live as human beings in this world. Some have ways, means, practices, customs, etc. that they engage in order to be formed into the kind of person and reality they want to live in. For some its an atheistic world, a Wall Street world, a scientific world, a gang world, a Muslim world, etc. If I want to live in a God-breathed world/reality, especially as Jesus spoke/revealed/lived it, then I will find those ways of knowing, being and doing that will help me stay present to it, just as the 1st century Jew practiced those things ind. and communally that helped them live the Shema and the commnandments. We were created to be creature of ways and habits. I believe it was Lewis that said we are all being formed into something, the question is what?

John
November 7, 2008 1:27 PM

I'm good with spiritual disciplines as long as they are a means to the end of conforming us into the image of Christ. As we touch the heart of God, we can't help but be transformed by his love, and the more time we spend in his presence, the more likely we are to naturally outpour this love (be 'missional').

It's not actually possible to love God but not love others.. is it?

Your Name
November 7, 2008 1:40 PM

Jesus practicing the sabbath - he was criticized for picking heads of wheat on the sabbath. Was that practicing the sabbath. Or healing a sick man on the sabbath.

John says we love others because God first loved us. There may be a discipline that strengthens that in us. But sd's haven't ever appealed to me.

Dana Ames
November 7, 2008 1:46 PM

Because of my perfectionistic/codependent tendencies, one of the good things about being in the low-church Protestant milieu was the minimizing of the value of spiritual disciplines, for whatever reasons, especially in the early years. I needed to let go of old ideas about what it meant for me to practice them. They would have little benefit for me until I got to the place where I no longer expected to "get anything" from them at all: no brownie points from God, no brownie points from me inside my own head, or recognition from others, and no "direct spiritual benefit". I have only been able to take them up with some regularity within the last few years. I believe they do benefit, but that's not why I do them. Willard's ideas apply to the disciplines as a means, too: you don't do them because you directly benefit from them, but because, when done with as much honesty as one can muster in any given moment, they align you a certain way and help with your integration as a Person. This outcome is not "instant" in any way; it is only observed over time, through a life lived in cooperation with the impetus of the Holy Spirit. The ultimate goal is to be able to love better.

For me, it has largely been a question of, "What has the praxis of Christians been?" That includes the teaching in the SothM, what Jesus is seen to have done, what the first disciples did (as Jews), and what subsequent serious Jesus-followers have done. Interestingly, I see a tie to questions from "emerging" Christians about praxis. (This is one of the many questions that spurred my theological re-think. The "emerging Christian" context gave me a safe space in which to say them out loud, think about them, and talk with people who had the same questions.)

I also see a relational connection of the disciplines Jesus described in the SotM to Scot's four directions of "cracked-ness" as well: praying has to do with our relationship to God; fasting with our relationship to ourselves; giving with our relationship to others and the world. But they all have ramifications that extend to both the individual and the corporate (church & wider world).

Dana

jane spriggs
November 7, 2008 1:46 PM

Spiritual disciplines and the disciples? I think when Jesus was alive, it consisted of 'being with' Jesus - walking with him, watching, practicing, and learning to do the things he was doing.

Apostle's view (in addition to everything already mentioned)? I still like Paul's view in Galatians - (which, admittedly, was directed at believers who had headed off-track and into slavery to legalism) - that he would labor with them until Christ is formed in them (Gal. 4:19). Disciplines as discipleship/leadership with others? Disciplines that, as Keith quotes Foster, place us before God so the Holy Spirit can 'have at us' - and the result? How about the fruit of the Spirit? And Micah 6:8, James 1:27?

Yes, Scot, loving God and loving others - out of the 'true self' (new person in Christ), the person God created us to be.

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 1:50 PM

Dana,

Yes indeed! A major issue for me in spiritual disciplines chat is "benefit-itis" which is something I address in the book of fasting I have coming out after the New Year. I can't see any emphasis on doing disciplines for your own benefit in the Bible. Thanks for the good points you make.

Florin Paladie
November 7, 2008 1:54 PM

It is important as in any interaction to be clear what do we interact with, what do we respond to. In hermeneutics there is a talk about doing EXE-gesis, not EISO-gesis. We have to let the text (the author) set the topic of discussion, not use the text as an excuse/frame to bring our own. Unfortunately it seems a lot of the people who commented here did EISO-gesis with Scott post. So Scott had to come along and remind us WHAT he wants us to talk about (after all, it is his blog !!!).

Scott does not question the importance of spiritual disciplines, only their focus and context in which they are practiced. The key word that we need to center our discussion is “personal”. Is our “personal” ... fill in the blank ... the end, the goal we have in mind when we practice the disciplines or there is something/someone beyond our self that drives us. The Bible challenges and invites us to pull away from a self-centered life to a God-centered one. Our dynamic and strong connection with God is what fuels our formation into the people God had in mind when he created us. “Spiritual disciplines” are great exercises when employed in this context. They help us develop in the right direction.

Something must be pointed out here. “Spiritual disciplines” as exercise are inherently neither good nor bad. They are neutral. What are they used to accomplish is what gives them their value. What is absolutely true is that every single time they are used, by whomever, they are always effective, they produce results (hence the reason they have been practiced for generations and generations by such diverse people). So the question is not, do they work? The better question is what do they help us become? This brings us back to Scott’s point. Are we, in the Christian sphere, practicing these disciplines in a God-centered framework or in a self-centered one? This is an important diagnostic question that is meant to prevent us from shifting away from what we were created to be.

Florin Paladie
November 7, 2008 2:11 PM

Dana Ames, love your comment. It truly enriches this discussion. It seems you have posted it while I was writing my own.

Michael
November 7, 2008 2:12 PM

Scot,

I think I'm on the same page with you.

How do ancient practices like the Eastern Desert Fathers fit into this? For instance, on the surface, it seems as if their practices were all about "themselves." How do you learn to love better when you rarely interface with others?

Do you just chalk this up to the idea that "individualism" isn't just North American, but transcends time? Or is it possible that spiritual disciplines are a both/and endeavor where we are engaged in practices that open ourselves up to God that ends up over time impacting both "ourselves" and others and the world?

RJS
November 7, 2008 2:14 PM

With respect to spiritual disciplines, perhaps an even better question is neither God-centered framework or self-centered framework - but church-centered or kingdom-centered framework. So what do they help us become is the right question. And what they help us become should not be self-focused.

Do the spiritual disciplines as they are practiced contribute to the mission of the church? Does the practice of a spiritual discipline or several spiritual disciplines lead me to active participation in the mission of God?

As an example, practice of solitude leading to the avoidance of involvement in church or community or with my neighbor is likely missing the point. Solitude as a discipline to reconnect to God and recharge (thanks David 11:56 am) is a valuable exercise.

Although I am not sure fasting has benefit...I guess Scot's book is another for the to be read list.

RJS
November 7, 2008 2:16 PM

Michael - I agree. I have a hard time with the desert fathers or some of the monastic practice in light of the mission of the church.

Scot McKnight
November 7, 2008 2:23 PM

Michael,

While I love the Desert Fathers, and have a colleague who teaches them, there was an unfortunate dualism that crept in with these folks -- both a body-spirit one and a world-heaven one. Some of their stuff is just not consistent with the Bible's Story.

Randy
November 7, 2008 2:35 PM

Certainly spiritual disciplines can become self-centered and self-serving. However, they can also provide stability and reminders of our faith in difficult times. I am finding Celtic Daily Prayer from the Northumbria Community invaluable as I go through a forced and uncertain job change in these difficult economic times.

I appreciate the way that Richard Foster's Prayer: Finding the Heart's True Home, is structured to move us from self to God as center and finally to prayer for others. In Celtic Daily Prayer, the scripture readings and the reflections are not self-centered and the morning prayer specifically offers a place for "prayers for others."

Peace,
Randy

Your Name
November 7, 2008 3:04 PM

Scot wrote:

"My contention is that there is something unhealth-ily self-focused in too much of the modern discussion of spiritual disciplines."

I agree with that statement as written. An overemphasis on the self is one of the ills in modern (especially American) spirituality.

At the same time, I don't think we can throw out *some* emphasis on personal spirituality. One could argue that Paul's writing at times is plenty self-focused, as Paul laments the fact that he can't seem to do what he wants to do, and finds himself doing the very things that he doesn't want to do. "Who shall deliver me from this body of death?" As discussed above in several posts I've understood the disciplines to be part of the answer to this common human dilemma - as means, not ends, and with personal spirituality also not merely being the end but rather part of a whole life directed toward loving God and others. We are surely not merely meant to live merely as isolated individuals, but some attacks on individualism seem to imply that we are *less than* individuals rather than calling us to be *more than* (but including) individuals.

Karl
November 7, 2008 3:06 PM

I'm sorry, the "Your Name" comment above is from me. I'm still not used to the new posting format.

Chaplain Mike
November 7, 2008 3:33 PM
http://mikesstudies.blogspot.com

Scot, I think you are on to something when you link spiritual formation with mission. Perhaps this what Jesus was getting at when he called disciples and said, "Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." Spiritual formation through relating to Jesus each day with the outcome being a missional life.

Derek Leman
November 7, 2008 4:10 PM
http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com

I think for the apostles, as in the Hebrew Bible and in later Judaism, the emphasis is on deeds of lovingkindness (g'milut chasadim) in every sphere of relationships, with God being the highest relationship. Thus, acting out of love to others and God is the core of praxis.

Derek Leman
November 7, 2008 4:14 PM
http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com

I think that for the apostles deeds of lovingkindness in every sphere of relationship is the emphasis. The apostles would not recognize an inactive spirituality. Study is about knowing how to act in love. Prayer is about loving God and enacting his peace in the world.

Derek Leman
November 7, 2008 4:15 PM
http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com

Oh, great. The delay in posting my first comment tricked into redoing it :-)

Erik Leafblad
November 7, 2008 5:14 PM
http://eleafblad.wordpress.com

I think the language of personal too often connotes a sense of privacy, which is antithetical to the missional life. However, I still think we need a sense of the personal in our spiritual formation. After all, the truth of the gospel is that its true also for me. Yet, we cannot use this to mean a type of private, self-focused personal faith. In a very personal sense our spiritual life helps us practice what is true of me in Christ, but precisely because we realize so deeply that this is true for me, a proper understanding of the personal nature of our discipleship is that it ushers us outward, away from ourselves because it is also true for others. Does that resonate with anyone else?

Deb
November 7, 2008 5:33 PM

I just finished a course on Spiritual Formation; found these two books helpful when thinking about the spiritual disciplines - "Dissident Discipleship" by David Augsburger and Glen Scorgies "A Little Guide to Christian Spirituality: Three Dimensions of Life with God". Both books discuss three dimensional spirituality at some point - God and me, God and others, God and the world (my paraphrase). Augsburger was particular helpful - there are a number of helpful references on blogs if you want to do a search.

Deb

Rick in Texas
November 7, 2008 7:04 PM

http://theultrarev.blogspot.com/2008/09/i-want-you-to-grow-spiritually-1-give.html

The above link is a friend's site and part 1 in a 20 part series on spiritual growth. He's up to #8 I believe. He writes: If you feel like you are not growing deeper in your faith or relationship to God, if you are not loving and serving others more, if you have a sense of 'stuckness' in your spiritual journey, and you really want to grow ——— the answer might not be to try harder. All too often I have heard the same solutions offered over and over — 'All you have to do is have daily devotions, pray more, read more of the Bible, be in worship every week and get more involved in the church.' In other words try harder.

This post reminded me of what Steve is doing.

Mike
November 7, 2008 10:34 PM
http://foxswanderings.blogspot.com/

you mentioned jesus, peter, paul, james, and john, which is terrific, but we also have this larger portion of scripture called the old testament. proverbs says quite a bit about personal spirituality, psalm one speaks to the individual (the person/man who does not walk in the way of the ungodly), other psalms offer lots for individuals (as well as the community of faith), etc. etc. i think we as westerners lose sight of the community all too often, but sometimes when we fight against spiritual disciplines, characterizing them as "machine-like" and such, we may be in danger of minimizing personal responsibility.

i say this, of course, as someone who DOES NOT keep a spiritual journal, or pray at specified times for specified amounts of time, or keep talley marks for evangelistic encounters lol. but, i try not to use phrases like "machine-like" for those who do. those same people might look at "all those books" you keep writing in "machine-like" fashion and scratch their heads.

just some thoughts, thanks for the thought-provoking blog

non-metaphysical stephen
November 8, 2008 4:52 PM

I'm glad I found this post. I've been very much influenced by the Spiritual Disciplines, especially via the work of Richard Foster and his anthologies of classical spiritual literature. And I believe that spiritual discipline is something we desperately need in the modern church.

BUT....

I have to agree that I don't see this as a biblical topic -- at least, no where near as important a topic as social justice, idolatry, grace and faith, etc. Many of the writers mention spiritual practices, but very few of the biblical texts are "how to" manuals of the type so common to us. Other than the Psalms, we don't really get anything resembling a devotional text.

So I'm torn. How to reconcile the lack of emphasis on spirituality in the scriptures with 1) the long tradition of spiritual (post-revelation?) literature in church history, and 2) the clear need for spiritual discipline in our modern culture?

Peggy
November 8, 2008 10:16 PM
http://abisomeone.blogspot.com/

Scot,

Great post ... lots of good comments.

Thanks to Derek Lehman (starting at 4:10) for saying what I was thinking as I read. The point of spiritual disciplines in the New Covenant is to faithfully keep covenant (practice hesed) with God and with each other/the Body of Christ/neighbors. Faithful hesed is essentially the Jesus Creed -- loving God and loving others -- but it is firmly grounded in relationship.

This kind of relationship calls each other to responsibility. It stand behind and encourages. It defends and provides for those in need. It allows the Spirit to knit individuals (parts) into one Body (church) so that the world will know we are Christians by our love for one another. Too bad this is so hard to do, eh? ;^/

Our disciplines must be grounded in authentic relationship if they are to result in "doing justice, loving mercy (hesed), and walking humbly with our God."

Thanks for the conversation starter, Scot ... and to the Jesus Creeders for the thought-provoking comments. It is such a shame that so many of us want to formula-ize everything.... Sigh :^(

Peggy
November 8, 2008 10:22 PM

Hey, RJS!

Thanks for finding a way to identify comments: the time stamp! Way to go, sister :^) I think it is even better than comment numbers, because when someone's comment is delayed or deleted, all the rest of the numbers change ... and that can be very confusing. But the time stamp is not something that will change.

Hurray!

Simple pleasures ... I have to take them where I can get them.

randy shafer
November 9, 2008 5:39 PM
http://www.fogparty.blogs.com

while i share the same concern that the disciplines have become too individualized and benefit driven... i struggle with concluding they are to be done with no personal motive.

we see Jesus, Paul and James eating and drinking, but there is no emphasis on those things for the sake of enjoying their taste or the nourishment they provide. yet, we acknowledge that the tastebuds in our mouths are gifts from God that serve to bring pleasure to an activity that we need to regularly participate in to receive energy to love Him & others in tangible ways. certainly it would be gluttonous to eat purely or mainly for enjoyment. but i cannot separate the enjoyment from the activity.

an aging friend of ours is fond of saying that she no longer lives to eat, but eats to live. by "living" see refers to the ability both to enjoy life and more of it... but also to serve and help others. must we negate one?

having said all this... i acknowledge a time in my life when it seemed G*D took away all pleasure in order to help me follow him more purely. it was a dark night to be sure. but when he raised me from it, i began to look at life differently... with a greater freedom and better appreciation for his beyond me-ness. i had lived for intimacy... and still do in many ways thrive on it. yet now, i recognize that in that intimacy and friendship, i still am a man who must follow, obey & serve. the disciplines are not, however, something i necessarily stop and go do. i can no more separate them from my relationship of love with him than i can my tastebuds from eating a butterscotch sundae.

qb
November 10, 2008 10:25 AM
http://qbsblog.wordpress.com

A cursory read of the first 33% or so of the comments here was dispiriting. The criticism of spiritual disciplines as "machinery" for "personal development" is a terribly unfortunate caricature of disciplines' modern proponents (Foster, Willard et al.). Not a single one of them - Ortberg (a Willow Creek product) included - would set forth a philosophy of spiritual discipline that leads to the hyper-individualistic cartoons being decried here.

Ortberg, for his part, once wrote in _The Live You've Always Wanted_ that if an immersion in [any particular one of] the disciplines does not make one a more loving person - by which he clearly means in particular instances with actual people who have names and stories and who may in fact be hard to love - then that discipline should be abandoned. Surely we are wise enough to see that such a result would indicate not that the discipline itself was to blame, but rather that the exercise of it had become corrupted in some way.

Willard has translated one of the Hebrew verbs in Deuteronomy 6 as "you will be muttering them..." in reference to the statutes and ordinances of God. It is not a stretch at all to view the entirety of Deuteronomy 6, as well as Psalm 119, as a reminder to immerse oneself individually, then in community, in those statutes and ordinances as a way of burning them deeply onto one's heart and soul.

Eugene Peterson has linked up with Webb, Foster, Willard, and Ortberg under the Renovare banner and will bring a fresh word of reminder to us that the gospel, the Shema, and all of the rest of what constitutes bona fide discipleship to Jesus are (and must be) lived out in concrete, daily life with actual people in a living, breathing, struggling, sinning, redeeming community of faith. But it will not be a *corrective* to Renovare's approach to discipleship, it will be a reinforcement of it.

Thus the disciplines, as propounded by those modern teachers, are not at all what they are being portrayed to be by some of us here.

To borrow a well-worn phrase from _The Blue Parakeet_, the idea of the spiritual disciplines could be reasonably known as reading the Bible *with* tradition, as many, many disciples throughout the ages have found them helpful in centering the mind and heart on those things that are central to apprenticeship to Jesus (including those aspects of discipleship that facilitate other-directed, divine love toward one's neighbors in the ordinary circumstances of life). One could argue, moreover, that the "Jesus Creed" is the didactic result of a deep, personal reflection on the Hebrew scriptures...which is difficult to distinguish from the spirit of _lectio divina_.

qb

Jane
November 10, 2008 10:59 PM

First, a correction - Jesus is alive - not just was alive (I was referring to his life on earth....well, you get the point.)

Then, I agree with QB - placing ourselves before God is not to become individualistic or more-like-a-Pharisee - it is to learn to hear God's voice, learn God's ways, and follow Jesus. I like the 'Jesus Creed' linking to the Old Testament and to Lectio Divina....I need to ponder that!

That said, I need to approach the disciplines with a conscious focus on us/we/community - not me/I/mine like it is my penchant to do.

Thanks for raising the question, Scot.

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