Expanding Women in Ministry (in other cultures)

I'm with RJS. I think it is often divisive and counter-productive to focus on what what is wrong, in this case "inequality." Instead, call to a new vision. Emphasize Jesus' and Paul's prime metaphor of fictive family where we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and children of God, each called to ministry at baptism. Resist dwelling on who gets to be in charge and dwell more on the suffering servant. Help people understand the context of the NT and help them see what Jesus and Paul were doing in word and deed. Stay on these themes and walk with people as they wrestle through the implications.

I agree with RJS and Michael. The Incarnation means God starts with people where they are. I've spoken to missionaries in Brazil (which has an extremely macho culture) who say it's taken them years to get men there to realize they shouldn't cheat on their wives. While God will ultimately settle for nothing less than perfect holiness, he's thrilled at the tiniest baby steps we make.

And of course, you can never go wrong by treating people as Jesus treated them.

We have to pick which field we want to die on. Paul seemed to think our freedom in Christ was a huge thing, but it wasn't the ultimate good.

If telling women they don't have to wear headscarves (or whatever) is going to get either you or them killed, it's not worth it. More, if it's going to be an impediment to the gospel for the people in that area, it's not worth it.

We often have to start slow. We preached the equal value of all human beings in the sight of God for a long, long time before people finally applied it to slavery. You can teach the whole truth and let that culture work out the application in time as it grows.

I just have to comment on the irony of discussing freedom for women as a flash ad asking us to vote which version of Britney Spears we like best plays at the top of the page. No of course women aren't objectified in our culture...

I think that what Paul did in scripture was interesting. He set forth the vision for equality in Galatians 3:26-29. However History tells us that Romans were somewhat suspicious of Christians because of the way they were in community with slaves and women. I think Paul, in the interest of quieting the suspicions invited Husbands to radically love their wives and wives to submit themselves... of their own free will that the church would be less vulnerable to the charges leveled at them by society. The household codes were foundational to the Roman system of order and the Christians could have been suspected of promoting disorder. They had to walk a fine line between fully living the vision in the new community and navigating within the world system as it was.

If we think in terms of the new community in Christ, the church, and the world systems it is easier to see that in the community they lived out the gospel more fully creating a vision and esteem for women and what they could become in Christ. It could not be a complete reality in the social world.

I'm all for living the Word, not just preaching the Word, but I fear that good actions without good teaching may go unnoticed. It's the good teaching that gives us the framework for seeing, understanding, and ultimately integrating good action into our very being, and ultimately living out kingdom values in every part of our lives. So I cast my vote for both/and, NOT either/or.

When attempting to live counter-culturally (in a biblical way), whether in Africa or good ole Britney-saturated US of A, we need to remember that Jesus called ALL to himself who were invisible, for whatever reason. Women, children, lepers, Samaritans, tax collectors, thieves hanging from an adjacent cross... We don't have a feminist gospel, but rather a gospel of love that extends to every single being. I think when we remember the big picture and not focus on any one group, then it's a tiny bit easier to position the gospel into every culture.

Julie, many thanks for pointing out that bit of irony. Yep, cultural issues abound, even here, but I really didn't expect to encounter the Britney issue on Beliefnet. Maybe it's an "opportunity" for Beliefnet to take a closer look at what is popping up in those ads;-)

OMG, I hit the refresh captcha and it did NOT lose my text. !Gracias a Dios!