Daily Prayers:
- A. Book of Common Prayer
- A. Book of Common Prayer 2
- A. Divine Hours
- A. Evening Prayer (Anglican)
- A. Morning Prayer (Anglican)
- Celtic Prayer
- Creeds of Christendom
- Eastern Orthodox Prayers
- Lectionary
- Liturgy of the Hours
- Missio Dei
Emerging Movement:
- Andrew Jones
- Andrew Perriman
- Anthony Stiff
- Art Boulet
- Bob Robinson
- Br. Maynard
- Dan Kimball
- David Fitch
- Dogwood Abbey
- Ecclesia Network
- Emerging Women
- Eugene Cho
- Henrik Holmgaard
- Jamie Arpin-Ricci
- Jazz Theologian
- John Frye
- John Lagrou
- Jonny Baker
- JR Briggs
- Leonard Hjamarlson
- LeRon Shults
- Lukas McKnight
- Peggy Brown
- Sivin Kit
- Stephen Shields
- Steve McCoy
- Steve Taylor
- Tamara Buchan
- The Practicing Church
- Tim Miekley
- Todd Hiestand
- Tom Smith (RSA)
- Tony Jones
Other sites I frequent:
- Allan Bevere
- Andy Rowell
- Attie Nel
- Barna
- Brad Boydston
- Chris Ridgeway
- CC Blogs
- Don Johnson
- Ed Gilbreath
- Erika Haub (Carney)
- Faith Blogging
- Falsani
- Fr. Rob
- Hummers
- iMonk
- James McGrath
- Jim Martin
- John Stackhouse
- JR Woodward
- Karen Spears Zacharias
- Laura Barringer
- LaVonne Neff
- LeaderFOCUS
- LL Barkat
- Luke/Annika
- Mark Galli
- Mark Roberts
- Michael Kruse
- Nexus
- Owen Youngman
- Ted Gossard
- Tom Wright
Recommended Online Readings:
Scholarly Books I’ve written:
- Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- Hist Jesus Anthology
- Interpreting the Synoptic Gospels
- Introducing NT Interpretation
- Jesus and His Death
- Jesus in Memory (ed.)
- New Vision for Israel
- Synoptics: Biblio
- The Face of New Testament Studies
- Who Do They Say I Am?
Scholarship Online:
- Apollos
- Books & Culture
- ChristianityToday
- CS Lewis
- EAC
- Early Xian Writings
- Euaggelion
- Gospels
- Jesus and His Death Blog
- Karl Barth Online
- Mark Goodacre’s Weblog
- Online Journals Access
- Online Pseudepigraph
- Pete Enns
- Prime Time Jesus
- Theopedia
- ThinkTank
Stuff online:
- 5 Streams
- Big Muddy
- Catalyst Scripture
- Catching the Wave
- DaVinci Code
- Forgiveness
- Future or Fad?
- Gospel of Judas
- High Calling
- Interview on Emerging
- Interview with LL Barkat
- IVCF Eikons
- IVCF Gospel
- John Bunyan
- Keys of the Kingdom
- Lake Emerging
- Mary in CT
- Missional in Seattle
- Missional Matrix
- Nativity Story
- Never Alone
- New Perspective
- Pepperdine Interview
- Professor as Scholar
- Recl Mind Mary 1
- Robust Gospel
- Social Justice
- Trojan Horse 2
- WiredParish Mary Interview
- Word/World NPP














posted December 24, 2008 at 1:51 am
No problem with this take. Adopting it would be revolutionary :^)
Triangulation can be life giving over the long haul.
Yet…
In real life and in the shorter run within the evangelical church (your readership, I assume) we need lots of credible prophetic voices who can challenge the arrogance from within. I know you’re trying to take on that task in a ‘reasonable’ way.
In my experience with the conservative church, though, we need some prophets who will scare the hell out of us until we embrace our other half. Until conservative Christians feel the really destructive consequences of our theological/political/practical narrowness I don’t expect much change.
posted December 24, 2008 at 8:28 am
Rather than addition, 1+1 = 2, perhaps a better analogy would be to use multiplication.
1*1=1
but all other combinations fall short.
1*0=0
0*1=0
0*0=0
We need both – or we lose. I don’t think this is gray – this is the way and the only way.
posted December 24, 2008 at 8:44 am
RJS – Brilliant!
Scot, this discussion on the Third Way has been intriguing to me. Where can I find more on this and does this go back to any other authors or theologians that would have something to say both pro and con on this issue?
Thanks.
Merry CHRISTmas!
Richie
posted December 24, 2008 at 10:38 am
Yes, but…
Particularly, I think he mischaracterizes conservatives here. Yes, there are aberrations, but conservative Christians believe the gospel requires us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, dig wells, distribute medicine, and protect the weak. As the saying goes, we’ve been saved unto good works.
There is a fear of the “social gospel,” but it’s based on the observation that, as he points out, its adherents tend to see it as all of the gospel.
Perhaps what he’s calling “conservatives” would be better described as extreme fundamentalists.
posted December 24, 2008 at 10:48 am
Richie,
Adam’s book is a good start; and I have a book called Embracing Grace that lays out in a readable format this understanding of the “gospel.” And in a more academic context, see my A Community called Atonement. Both are linked on the sidebar.
ChrisB,
Well, I’m not so sure it is that simple. I’d like to see some examples of some conservatives saying the “the gospel requires us to feed the hungy” without saying it like this: you first get saved and that propels you to do good works. Most conservatives see good works as separable from faith and as sanctification and not part of the gospel or gospel response itself. Hence, classic conservatives have trouble genuinely anchoring the Sermon on the Mount and James into their theological framework. The distinction seems to be this: faith (which saves eternally and securely) and works (which has nothing to do with salvation) are totally separable things. In Adam’s “gray” they are not totally separable.
Brother, you’ve hit upon the fundamental theology of this chp.
posted December 24, 2008 at 11:00 am
Yes, so true!
I’ve seen this from both sides now…
Yes, those who lean right must admit their gospel has had a tendency to overemphasize ‘just me and Jesus…’ but must those who lean left should admit their gospel sometimes needs a little more of that.
Without the gospel of personal transformation, our social activism can too easily become ‘our will be done.’
And without the gospel of social transformation, our personal faith might lack the justice, compassion, etc. of God… I had a bible prof who once said, ‘if it’s not social, it’s not gospel.’
That’s the well rounded gospel of the kingdom!
posted December 24, 2008 at 11:10 am
Amen. Though I fear there is a temptation to sit in between these two camps and still miss the Third Way. It is easy to be PC and yet stand for very little. The Third Way is not a passive allowance of both sides but an intentional and tenacious engagement.
posted December 24, 2008 at 11:33 am
“you first get saved and that propels you to do good works”
Yes, that’s exactly how I’d express it.
“good works as separable from faith and as sanctification and not part of the gospel or gospel response itself”
I’d say it is part of the gospel “response,” depending on how exactly you mean that. Justification creates in the believer a desire to immitate the holiness and love exhibited by Christ; sanctification is how that gets worked out.
This is another place where I think it sounds like you’re talking about a works-based righteousness. That’s fine if that’s what you believe. You will, though, need to stop calling yourself “protestant.”
posted December 24, 2008 at 11:54 am
ChrisB
We are not saved by good works; we are not damned if not in communion following penance; we need not fear dying after mortal sin, but before confession and communion; salvation is not purchased from, received from or denied by the church; there is no priest as mediator and no need for priest as mediator; there is no magesterium. This is why I call myself protestant.
But – it is not possible to separate the fruit of faith from faith. If one is not committed to living as a Christian, one is not a Christian. If there is no desire to imitate the holiness and love exhibited by Christ there was no justification. These are inseparable. The more I think about it, the more I like the multiplication example.
posted December 24, 2008 at 12:05 pm
RJS, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, and if that’s in line with what Scot means, then I misunderstood him.
I’ve heard people say, “We are saved by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone.” In other words, a faith that does not produce works does not save (ala James). But the progression of faith -> justification/transformation -> works can’t be rearranged regardless of Mr. Hamilton’s intentions.
posted December 24, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I remember Dallas Willard saying something about this in an interview a few years ago (with CT?) However he tried to articulate three parts…
1) Conservative: Jesus is our salvation from sin
2) Liberal: Social implications of kingdom of God
3) Willard’s Focus: Our character transforming to that of Christ likeness. (not behavior modification but character transformation)
I remember Willard saying that all three are apart of our gospel, and yet he feels that both sides (conservative and liberal) miss out on this more than they should.
This is just what came to my mind when I read this post
posted December 24, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Scot:
I would call myself a theological conservative, and most of the conservatives that I know would welcome adding the liberal insights as presented here. We’re not “afraid” of adding the liberal emphasis on the social gospel. What we oppose are the liberals who refuse to incorporate our conservative insights. In this way we think we already have a both/and, a third way, and are arguing against those who attempt to reduce it to an either/or, whether that be liberal or conservative.
posted December 24, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Mike,
Thanks for this; and reading your stuff I’d say you side with the Third Way side. But now answer me this one:
Do you know one gospel tract from the conservative side that blends the personal encounter with personal faith and commitment to (say) justice? That commitment to the kingdom vision of Jesus is central to what one is committing oneself to?
posted December 24, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Just off the top of my head, I’m pretty sure that the Centre for Public Christianity in Australia publishes some that combine the themes. I’ve also read plenty of Chinese tracts that emphasize both personal salvation and social justice with the purpose of renewing the world on God’s behalf. I think I saw some with this theme in Malaysia over the summer as well.
As I told you in an e-mail Scot, the reality of the situation is that the organizations doing the bulk of social justice initiatives, helping the poor, etc. (outside of the Catholic church which unquestionably does the most) are evangelical. They may not necessarily be American evangelical, but they are evangelicals from Africa, China, Singapore, Korea, etc. As Mike said, those of us on the “conservative” side of theology in the worldwide church are already doing both. There are some fundamentalist Baptist (I’m not talking SBC, but actual fundamental Baptists) who refuse to do social programs, and there are some liberal organizations that refuse to say anything about individual salvation, but most of us working around the globe are already “Third Way” in this sense, and most of us are evangelical.
posted December 25, 2008 at 12:47 am
Kyle makes an important point.
Our evangelical brothers and sisters outside of the US have tested the third way for a long time. Our own peculiar religious, political and cultural history seems to drive us toward extremes.
posted December 25, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Scot,
I’m still not sure someone isn’t trying to justify through faith + works. (Perhaps this is returning to our question “what is the gospel.”)
If I had to put the “social gospel” in a nutshell, I’d say it’s “transforming the world.” If I had to put the conservative version in such a shell, I’d say it’s “personal transformation.”
If you wanted a “third way” gospel, I think it would be fair to say “transforming the world by transforming people.”
However, if you switch it around — transforming people by transforming the world — you’ve gone out of bounds. We’re back into a works righteousness.
So the fundamental question of any “gospel” is, how do people become right with God, and how do they get to heaven. (I know you don’t want to make the gospel all about heaven, but that’s a fundamental issue and the best way to make sure we’re not talking past each other.)
posted December 25, 2008 at 8:55 pm
ChrisB,
The question here is how did Jesus talk about the gospel. Did he speak of it as you outlined in this last comment?
posted December 25, 2008 at 10:04 pm
@ChrisB
I appreciate what I think you’re trying to get at here, though I disagree with your take.
I’m good to go with the ‘get right with God’ part of your ‘fundamental question.’
The rest of it, not so much. If heaven is some place in the sky discontinuous with the real world we live in each day, then your perspective makes more sense. If heaven is simply the real world we live in each day transformed in a way none of us can see without the eyes of faith and the transforming power of God, then maybe your apparent point of view is less compelling.
I’m no fan of the way ‘salvation by faith’ is normally understood by conservative Protestants. We want to divide faith and works and make ‘works’ a poor cousin. I don’t think the bible speaks that way at all, and especially Paul.
Physicists feel comfortable describing light as both wave and particle. None of them exalt one definition over the other because that’s what the evidence suggests.
I hope theologians can be at least as flexible and honest about the biblical and experiential evidence re faith and works.
posted December 26, 2008 at 10:11 am
Scot:
My conservative friends don’t use tracts, so I’m not sure how to answer your questions. But I do agree that the conservatives who do are unlikely to say anything about the social implications of the gospel–which is why my third way also triangulates against them. In sum, I wholeheartedly endorse the liberal emphasis on loving your neighbor–especially the poor and disenfranchised, but I’m not sure that they always agree with my emphasis on the need for personal faith in Jesus.