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The Gospel and Orthodoxy

Thursday February 5, 2009

Categories: Gospel
In my recent research on the meaning of "gospel," I read Ted A. Campbell's new book, The Gospel in Christian Traditions. Here is a book that needs to be read as a primer to theology in the history of the...
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Mark Farmer
February 5, 2009 4:01 AM

What a great title and concept, tracing the way the gospel is articulated throughout church history. And showing how doctrinal orthodoxy is narrative-based. It would be interesting to compare the book to Jaroslav Pelikan's Jesus through the Centuries.

Does the author anywhere suggest that the basic narrative framework of the gospel might include I Cor. 15:20-28? These verses pick up where verse 5 leaves off, and extend the time frame by incorporating the beginning ("as all die in Adam," vv 20-21) and the end (vv 25-28). The Apostles' Creed, for example, includes all of this extended narrative (although the beginning of the narrative, the fall, is only implicit in the mention of the forgiveness of sins).

The Apostles' Creed as gospel gives a fuller picture that do "four law" and "four step" gospel presentations. The latter often leave out not only the final resurrection of all, but also the Holy Spirit, Christ's return and final judgment, and the church. Or else these are treated as add-ons, thus implying that they are not essential to either the gospel, the Christian life - or orthodoxy.

Scot McKnight
February 5, 2009 8:09 AM

Mark, that suggestion is made no where in the book.

Pau Johnston
February 5, 2009 8:59 AM

Is this similar to what CH Dodd saw as the common preaching in Acts?

Joey
February 5, 2009 9:16 AM
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What does this conversation look like in light of Marcus Borg's claim that orthodoxy, historically, has meant "right worship" rather than "right belief"? It would make sense in a Catholic setting where Mass is the most important practice in which a Christian can partake. Is there a Biblical correlation between worship and belief (Romans 12:1-2, maybe)? Is there any other precedent for early Christians differentiating between how one worships and what they believe? Is this the same conversation that comes up whenever James and Paul are compared?

Are we limited to calling only what we find in this passage in 1 Corinthians "gospel" or does the Biblical narrative give us anything more robust (not to say that this isn't very very good news!)? Sorry lots of questions!

Rick
February 5, 2009 9:53 AM

Thanks for this post. I have put it on my book list.

ChrisB
February 5, 2009 10:37 AM
http://homewardbound-cb.blogspot.com

Scot,

Re: #2, His life is not mentioned in that passage. I'm not going to say it's not important -- it's fundamental -- but the NT rarely points us back to His life; it's the death and resurrection to which the apostles consistently point.

Joey,

Borg and orthodox probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. He can claim whatever he likes, but if you look at the NT and the history of the church what we believe is what is important -- 1Cor 15, throughout Romans, 1John, Nicene creed ....

T
February 5, 2009 10:53 AM

Scot,

I like several of these points, especially the first, but I still have reservations about the combination of what is left out of traditional lists of teachings that make the cut for 'orthodoxy' and why, and what such ommissions lead to, formationally speaking. Rarely, if ever, do the commands of Jesus or the nature of discipleship generally (certainly important features of his life), for example, get included in the 'Christian orthodoxy' lists. What's more, everything not on these lists gets put, by implication, into categories of 'not central', or 'not necessary to enjoy God's salvation' (often sadly reduced to surviving judgment). It unintentionally creates or reinforces a distortion of the faith and, thereby, distorted faith communities. The inevitable, though unintended, side effect of the elevation of the specific content of the historic creeds has been to shift the church's focus from 'making disciples who do everything Jesus commanded to do' into making affirmers of the right historic facts about Jesus and about soteriology. I don't see how this could have been or will be any different unless and until we, at a minimum, adjust our 'essentials' (in fact, if not formally) to include the centrality of discipleship (learning to do what Jesus commanded) and a greater recognition of Jesus' own teaching priorities.

Barry
February 5, 2009 11:41 AM

"The foundation for Christian orthodoxy is 1 Corinthians 15:1-5".

If by orthodoxy one means "right belief or practice" then where one starts in the NT plays an immense role in defining the gospel. To consider one snippet of verses as foundational over and above the rest seems fraught with problems. Like ChrisB (#6) says, "His life is not mentioned in that passage". I think this is significant and makes me question the starting point since I agree with T (#7) in that discipleship is a key ingredient of orthodoxy (includes the practice of Christianity patterned after the life and teachings of Jesus).

Maybe the foundation verse is really 1 Cor 3.11. "For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ." I believe to look for orthodoxy and gospel one need consider the entirety of Jesus, including his life and teaching (particularly about the gospel he proclaimed pre-crucifixion) and not just his death, resurrection and post-resurrection appearances.

T
February 5, 2009 11:43 AM

ChrisB,

How can you say that the NT rarely points us to his life!? All four gospels are clearly his life, death and resurrection, regardless of what the I Corinthians verses happen to focus on due to an error in Corinth.

That brings me to related concern. It's significant to me on this larger question of 'orthodoxy' and 'gospel' that of all the ways scripture talks about 'gospel', many of which Scot just finished working through, the I Cor. content is essential. This passage was written to a church that was questioning the resurrection of Jesus. So Paul corrected them and affirmed that Jesus was raised and that such is central to the good news of God's work. But he also would have said (and did so in other scriptures) that, for example, no one who continued in greed had any share in the kingdom of God--that his gospel required detaching from such idolatry. He corrected many beliefs and behaviors that were simply opposed to his gospel. His gospel required many new beliefs and actions. But we've made it seem, at least in significant part through our creeds, that affirming resurrection, for example, is essential to the Christian faith (essential to enjoy God's rescue, to having 'right Christian belief'), but letting go of the practice of greed, or growing in the way of agape, is not! This, I think, would shock Paul, let alone John or James or the other apostles. It's certainly contrary to several of Jesus' own statements. We've been invited to trust the whole person, everything he said and did. How can we make disciples of him, the man, if his own teaching priorities are not part of 'right belief?'

T
February 5, 2009 11:50 AM
http://www.getting-free.blogspot.com

Sorry, Barry posted while I was writing #9, which could have just read as "What Barry said."

stephen
February 5, 2009 12:58 PM

I think all of the NT points back to Jesus' life and teachings. Jesus is Lord. That is in all the creeds. It is claimed repeatedly in the NT.

I don't know how anyone can hear the claim 'Jesus is Lord' and not immediately understand that what the Lord said and did commands my attention. It is implicit in the Gospel. It may not be mentioned in the passage that Scot mentions in the post, but it is there none the less.

Joey
February 5, 2009 1:13 PM
http://joeyspiegel.wordpress.com

ChrisB,

Although I agree Borg has some beliefs that are very inconsistent with a historical and contemporary Christianity, that is hardly a reason to discount any of his study or research. That is just unwise. If he has learned something that we can also learn from we would be wise to consider, with humility, what we might learn. It would do you good to see what he says that is inline with "orthodoxy" before you completely discount him.

I would never say what we believe doesn't matter......but belief is kind of a ridiculous idea if it doesn't manifest itself in anyway other than ideas.

And, the NT does point to the life of Christ.
1 John 2:6 "Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."

Acts 20:35 "In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"

Then you have all of the Gospels, as T already pointed out. Jesus' death without his life and ministry doesn't really end up meaning much does it? Otherwise he would have just come and died.

ChrisB
February 5, 2009 1:28 PM
http://homewardbound-cb.blogspot.com

I was inexact. I should have said, "The epistles rarely point us back to His life." They are largely commentaries on the cross and resurrection.

We've had this argument before. Words mean things. "Orthdoxy," much like "creed," is about what you believe. "Orthopraxy" is about what you do. Fusing, or confusing, those terms adds nothing to the debate. If we all use the same terms, we can have a meaningful conversation.

Healthy Christianity requires both orthodoxy and orthopraxy. The former is the foundation and formation of the latter (I believe ... therefore I must...). The latter is the proof of the former.

T
February 5, 2009 3:40 PM

ChrisB,

Yes, we have had this conversation before. My hope in continuing it is not to confuse but to say that we have had and will continue to have some obvious and negative consequences by keeping out of the concept of 'Christian orthodoxy' the chief teachings of Jesus himself as well as the shape of the invitation he extends to people, namely discipleship as he defined it.

The Jews, for instance, would have said the command to love God with all heart, soul, strength, etc. is the most important command of God. This is something someone either believes or doesn't, just like one believes there is one God or many. In that sense, I think the primacy of this command would be rightly part of Jewish 'orthodoxy'(whether defined as right teaching or right worship) regardless of how well one did or didn't do in following it (orthopraxy). And from looking at the NT, including the letters, Jesus' own central commands are obvious as well. It strikes me as both counterintuitive and formationally harmful to leave Jesus' central teachings out of the concept of Christian right belief or right worship.

RJS
February 5, 2009 3:53 PM

ChrisB,

The letters are largely commentaries on the cross and resurrection - they leave out birth and life, in fact I don't think that elements relating to the birth of Jesus are ever mentioned. Does this mean that one need not accept the virgin birth to be orthodox?

Scot McKnight
February 5, 2009 7:49 PM

I've been teaching all day...

#8 Barry: it is an indisputable fact that the early framings of (proto)orthodoxy used 1 Cor 15:1-5 as a template. That's the point Campbell is making.

Dodd, yes. But not directly using Dodd.

T, yes this is a point ... but a strong case can be made that discipleship (to the point of persecution) was assumption at the moral level while these framings were central to what was to be believed.

Marc Borg never claims to be "orthodox" in the historical sense.

Rebeccat
February 5, 2009 8:12 PM

I think that a question which is rarely examined well, but may be central is when the gospel speaks of salvation, what is it saying we are saved from? Everyone says hell, yet hell is not mentioned at all in the epistles and only rarely by Jesus and then only to the religious leaders of the day. I've been looking at Eastern Orthodox beliefs and they have an interesting conception of salvation being tied to theosis, or the transformation of the believer into the likeness of God through full indwelling of God in the believer. The idea is that a wasted life (ie one without God or without growing in God) is what we are saved from. In this thought process, right belief matters not for its own sake, but because it provides instructions for the journey towards theosis, and thus salvation.

I do think that the evangelical tendency to focus on right belief for its own sake, is a hair's breath away from the religious ruler's belief in the importance of the law and temple practices for their own sake. The point isn't to believe the right things (or in the case of the religious of Jesus' day the right ritual practices). It is to live a life transformed by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, imo.

T
February 5, 2009 11:13 PM
http://www.getting-free.blogspot.com

Scot, I think you're saying (not sure) that discipleship, both the process and content (Jesus' commands), was assumed either at the time of the NT or of the making of the creeds or both. If so, granted; and that's part of my point. But I wouldn't at all say that such is the common assumption now. I don't think that a person who affirms the creeds today necessarily thinks that by doing so that they are simultaneously deciding to be a disciple of Jesus who will learn to do all he commanded. I don't think becoming a disciple is even a part of the soteriology in many camps; it's a second-tier, sanctification issue, regardless of how Jesus framed it. The assumptions have changed, but the creeds stay the same.

shanemagee
February 6, 2009 10:12 AM
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i think it is important to note that this is PAUL'S summary of the faith. as has frequently been noted paul seems to have been utterly uninterested in the life and teachings of jesus. for him, jesus' death and resurrection were all that mattered.

this belief is reflected in the nicene creed.

"the events in Jesus' life are his life, his death, his burial, his resurrection and his appearances"

this is an incorrect summary of paul's position. the 1 cor 15 passage makes NO mention of jesus' life. if this is the kernel of orthodoxy, what jesus did when he was alive is utterly irrelevant.

it strikes me forcibly that were herod to have suceeded in the slaughter of the innocents, evangelical theology would be utterly unaltered. this CANNOT be right. i've written more on this here if anyone is interested. http://tinyurl.com/cqpzu5

Richard
February 6, 2009 11:58 AM

Borg's arguments regarding "orthodox" stem from the etymology of dox(a), regardless of his beliefs and teachings. Doxa also carries with it a sense of glory/honor/worship, hence we sing the Doxology.
Our contemporary definition (which Borg holds shifted during the Reformation from the ancient definition) promotes belief or thought as in the philosophical sense, rather than right worship/lifestyle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxa

I would also wonder how the litmus test of knowing false and true teachers by their fruits plays into this conversation (Matthew 7). The context (verse 21 and following) seems to imply that the fruit in question relates to obedience and lifestyle more than proper doctrine.

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