Daily Prayers:
- A. Book of Common Prayer
- A. Book of Common Prayer 2
- A. Divine Hours
- A. Evening Prayer (Anglican)
- A. Morning Prayer (Anglican)
- Celtic Prayer
- Creeds of Christendom
- Eastern Orthodox Prayers
- Lectionary
- Liturgy of the Hours
- Missio Dei
Emerging Movement:
- Andrew Jones
- Andrew Perriman
- Anthony Stiff
- Art Boulet
- Bob Robinson
- Br. Maynard
- Dan Kimball
- David Fitch
- Dogwood Abbey
- Ecclesia Network
- Emerging Women
- Eugene Cho
- Henrik Holmgaard
- Jamie Arpin-Ricci
- Jazz Theologian
- John Frye
- John Lagrou
- Jonny Baker
- JR Briggs
- Leonard Hjamarlson
- LeRon Shults
- Lukas McKnight
- Peggy Brown
- Sivin Kit
- Stephen Shields
- Steve McCoy
- Steve Taylor
- Tamara Buchan
- The Practicing Church
- Tim Miekley
- Todd Hiestand
- Tom Smith (RSA)
- Tony Jones
Other sites I frequent:
- Allan Bevere
- Andy Rowell
- Attie Nel
- Barna
- Brad Boydston
- Chris Ridgeway
- CC Blogs
- Don Johnson
- Ed Gilbreath
- Erika Haub (Carney)
- Faith Blogging
- Falsani
- Fr. Rob
- Hummers
- iMonk
- James McGrath
- Jim Martin
- John Stackhouse
- JR Woodward
- Karen Spears Zacharias
- Laura Barringer
- LaVonne Neff
- LeaderFOCUS
- LL Barkat
- Luke/Annika
- Mark Galli
- Mark Roberts
- Michael Kruse
- Nexus
- Owen Youngman
- Ted Gossard
- Tom Wright
Recommended Online Readings:
Scholarly Books I’ve written:
- Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- Hist Jesus Anthology
- Interpreting the Synoptic Gospels
- Introducing NT Interpretation
- Jesus and His Death
- Jesus in Memory (ed.)
- New Vision for Israel
- Synoptics: Biblio
- The Face of New Testament Studies
- Who Do They Say I Am?
Scholarship Online:
- Apollos
- Books & Culture
- ChristianityToday
- CS Lewis
- EAC
- Early Xian Writings
- Euaggelion
- Gospels
- Jesus and His Death Blog
- Karl Barth Online
- Mark Goodacre’s Weblog
- Online Journals Access
- Online Pseudepigraph
- Pete Enns
- Prime Time Jesus
- Theopedia
- ThinkTank
Stuff online:
- 5 Streams
- Big Muddy
- Catalyst Scripture
- Catching the Wave
- DaVinci Code
- Forgiveness
- Future or Fad?
- Gospel of Judas
- High Calling
- Interview on Emerging
- Interview with LL Barkat
- IVCF Eikons
- IVCF Gospel
- John Bunyan
- Keys of the Kingdom
- Lake Emerging
- Mary in CT
- Missional in Seattle
- Missional Matrix
- Nativity Story
- Never Alone
- New Perspective
- Pepperdine Interview
- Professor as Scholar
- Recl Mind Mary 1
- Robust Gospel
- Social Justice
- Trojan Horse 2
- WiredParish Mary Interview
- Word/World NPP















posted March 31, 2009 at 2:43 am
Scot,
I think you are right when many people still confuse or hybridize Christ’s natures. I also think that many still separate them. It is a very difficult box to stay in sometimes. Even you said the natures were separable in your last couple of words, when Chalcedon as you quoted says quite clearly they are without separation. It is hard for us to conceive of two things that are distinct but not separate; united but not mingled. Much like with the Trinity, what really happens in baptism, and a host of other mysterious beliefs, we don’t have the capability to express it precisely and accurately.
posted March 31, 2009 at 6:47 am
The mention of Eucharist here is interesting. When the discussion of the nature of Christ becomes tied up with Eucharist it always seems to me that we step into a place where we should not go – and way beyond where Scripture goes. One trend I think we see in the history of the church is a deep tendency to take the human elements out of the faith, to dehumanize it – and nowhere is this seen more deeply than in “theories” of Eucharist.
posted March 31, 2009 at 6:50 am
Will, thanks for that and I corrected it. I did have “separable” and I suppose “distinct” would have been better.
posted March 31, 2009 at 9:20 am
“The Church has always held this viewpoint.”
Why do you keep saying this? There would have been no need for any council to decree it a heresy if it hadn’t become a popular belief within the church which needed to be corrected.
posted March 31, 2009 at 10:32 am
Let me be a little provocative here (relax Scot):
I think the deity of Christ is affirmed in so many places in scripture in so many ways it cannot be denied without doing violence to the scriptures themselves.
But this issue seems to be more about protecting our understanding or interpretion of certain issues — namely, if we have understood redemption correctly, and if we have understood the eucharist correctly, then Christ’s human and divine natures cannot be mingled too closely.
So was this protecting a critical Christian doctrine or simply the dominate interpretation of the scriptures?
posted March 31, 2009 at 11:34 am
Re: #4, commenting on this bit,
The Fourth Council, at Chalcedon in 451, decreed this view incompatible with our gospel and salvation. The Church has always held this viewpoint.
Indeed, the most we can say is that “the Church has always since held this viewpoint.” The very need for the Council in the first place proves that the Church hasn’t always had a definitive opinion on the matter.
posted March 31, 2009 at 11:45 am
Mark (#6)
I think that some of these “heresies” involve details such that it is not correct to say that the church always held this position either before or after the relevant council verdict. So the first two heresies – about who Christ is/was – involved real heresies. Jesus was both human and divine and attempts to deny either are wrong.
On the other hand the decrees of heresy that deal with how the divine and human natures are interrelated seem to me to tread on shaky ground much of the time. I agree with ChrisB – this seems to me more a case of protecting dominant interpretation than protecting critical doctrine.
posted March 31, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I am trying to follow this so I do have a question what is the problem with accepting scripture when it says that Jesus the Christ, “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” Luke 23:46 By that I mean that he became a man who lived a life oof perfection and then sacrficed that life for the salvation of many?
posted March 31, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Scot,
Isn’t Eutychianism just another form of docetism? It seems to be another way of saying “Jesus seemed to be fully human” but really he has a hybrid nature so he isn’t fully human–he is something else than us.
As well, should our understanding of how communion works inform our understand of Jesus? Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
Does this heresy stem from incorrect theology about Jesus or about theories regarding bread and wine actually becoming flesh and blood?
I think the former but as we get into these heresies I wonder what philosophy or rational drove them.
posted March 31, 2009 at 1:44 pm
This is what the Church has always believe, as Scot said, because the Church has always understood Jesus as fully human and fully div
posted March 31, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Sigh. Apparently can’t get more than a few words through again.
posted March 31, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Scott M (##10-13): Maybe that’s a sign from God!
posted March 31, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Although I think that the definition of Chalcedon is superior to its competitors, I don’t consider adherence to the definition a legitimate test of orthodoxy.
It is extremely doubtful that the non-Chalcedonian Orthodox (aka Oriental Orthodox) are actually heretics. The Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox viewed each other as heretics for centuries, but over the last few decades they actually started to listen to each other.
Check out the official statements of the Eastern Orthodox-Oriental Orthodox dialogue:
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state01.php
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state02.php
BTW, Copts and other Oriental Orthodox consider the label “Monophysite” akin to calling a Catholic a “Papist” or a Muslim a “Mohammedan.” The Oriental Orthodox call their own view “Miaphysitism.”
posted March 31, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Phil: and the new, updated Eastern/Greek Orthodox NT in English is now available: http://www.orthodoxanswers.org/eob/
posted April 1, 2009 at 2:45 am
The Intelligence that created the entire Universe is going to sit like a petty bureaucrat and check off the beliefs of people before letting them into Heaven. Yeah, right.
The idea of Heresy is medieval nonsense.
posted April 1, 2009 at 7:17 am
Charles,
You’re language prejudices the case because you’ve equated any view that God cares what one believes with a petty bureaucrat.
The issues are these: Does one have to believe in Jesus Christ? Let’s say yes. Once one admits that, one has to ask what one has to believe about Jesus Christ for it to be the real, apostolically-understood Jesus Christ.