Jesus Creed

Jesus Creed

The Future of Christian Eschatology 4

posted by Scot McKnight | 3:09pm Thursday March 12, 2009

Continued from yesterday.

Our second point: Jesus said that all these things would occur before that time.
Let me set this comment in context. In Matt 23:36 Jesus said to his
followers this: “Amen, I say to you, all these things will come about
upon this generation” – and he is speaking of the avenging of righteous
blood. Then in 24:2 Jesus asks if his disciples see “these things” -
and he is speaking of the Temple and its stones that are about to
crumble into a heap. And then the disciples ask him when will these
things come about (24:3). We have here the evidence: “these things”
must refer in these texts to the destruction of Jerusalem.

Third, we can put this together as this: Jesus predicts that all these
things will occur within a generation. Not “some,” but “all.” This ties
in very well with the term “immediately” in Matt 24:29 – immediately
after those things (the birth pangs, etc.) then the Son of Man will “come” – whatever that means. This means that Jesus thinks
the destruction of Jerusalem will occur before or around A.D. 70
. [Italics words accidentally omitted and now edited back in. Sorry.]


Fourth, this leads to what was for me the most startling revelation of what I perceived to be an honest reading of Matthew 24. When Jesus says “all these things” he includes the astral, heavenly wonders and the Son of Man’s so-called coming in Matthew 24:29-31. We could stop right here and the case would be made, but we need to go back now to the original quest we had – where does Jesus speak of the destruction of Jerusalem?

The answer to that question, simply put, is this: Matt 24:29-31/Mark 13:24-27/Luke 21:25-28 describe in apocalyptic and prophetic imagery (the) destruction (of Jerusalem) as the vindication of the Son of Man, that is, the vindication of Jesus as Israel’s Messiah who has been rejected. In this language, then, we see that the nation’s leaders have been judged as was Israel at the hand of Assyria and Babylon and now Rome.

Let me begin with the obvious: the word “coming” in Matt. 24:30 translates the Greek word erchomai, a term that means “coming” but not specific with respect to “descending” or “ascending.” To answer the direction of that “coming,” we need to look at the source for Jesus’ comments, and that source is Daniel 7:13 and there described the ascent of the Son of Man before the Ancient of Days to receive political dominion. I can’t tell you how significant this conclusion is for understanding the prediction of Jesus. The plain sense of these words, because Jesus is so clearly appealing to the Daniel text as somehow fulfilled in the future, is that Jesus sees the words of Matt 24:29-31 as his victorious, ascension-like reception of power as King and ruler over a body of people. Jesus is announcing the fulfillment of Daniel 7, that is his exaltation and authorization with power before God, and not his ‘return’ to earth. That event is in some sense his ‘appearing’ (parousia; 24:3, 27, 37, 39).

With the term coming settled, we can ask about the astral phenomena, the mourning, and the gathering of the elect. Very briefly, they are also about the same destruction of Jerusalem and the vindication of the Son of Man. When we read of the sun being blotted out, and the moon’s light being quenched, and stars falling out of the heavens those who read their Old Testaments will immediately think of passages such as the following: Isa. 13:9-10; 34:4; Ezek. 32:7; Amos 8:9; Joel 2:10 and 3:15. Perhaps one example will suffice: Ezek. 32:7 reads, of Pharaoh: “When I blot you out, I will cover the heavens, and make their stars dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give its light.” That happened already. In other words, astral disasters are celestial metaphors for earthly political disasters – when Israel, when Judah, or when Egypt falls, when a political kingdom collapses, the ancients resort to heavenly phenomena falling, to the sun and moon failing to give their light, that is to cosmic sympathy and correlation. Incidentally, when Pentecost occurred Peter saw what happened as a fulfillment of Joel 2:28-32, and there is absolutely no idea that the sons and daughters speaking was the fulfillment but the astral phenomena yet to come – in fact, the speaking in tongues was simultaneously political disaster for Israel. It began the ending of her national privilege.

As for the mourning … this much can be said. What Jesus predicts here about mourning sounds very much like Zech. 12:9-10 wherein we read that Israel will wail tribe by tribe over the political disasters occurring around her. But, in fact, that wailing is one of sympathy for the nations being vanquished by God in his battle against those who oppress his people. As the stars, sun and moon correlate with God’s acts, so also will Israel wail over punishment – but this time, so suggests Jesus, the wailing will be by those Israelites who follow Jesus and they shall bemoan those Israelites who experience God’s just judgment on Jerusalem. That Israel is in view here, and not the world, is virtually proven by the fact that the term “tribe” refers to Israel.

The gathering of the elect has drawn the most fire for this interpretation but I would preface my interpretation with this observation: whatever we make of the gathering of the elect, it occurs within one generation of Jesus and in conjunction with the astral phenomena, the mourning, and the vindication of the Son of Man. I think it most likely that the regathering is a metaphorical description of the re-constitution of Israel as twelve-tribe people – a significant theme among the prophets of Israel and Judah, but now in terms of followers of Jesus and the Twelve apostles he appointed. That is, the destruction of Jerusalem will result in the reconstitution of Israel under the Twelve apostles. A variant interpretation, under the influence of Matt. 13:41, is that this refers to an angelic gathering of non-believing Israelites to Jerusalem for judgment. And yet another view would see this as a metaphor for evangelism of the Roman empire.



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Becky

posted March 12, 2009 at 5:54 pm


You said “astral disasters are celestial metaphors for earthly political disasters…” Can you back that up Scot. That takes quite a leap for me.



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Leland

posted March 12, 2009 at 6:10 pm


Can you complete the sentence in paragraph 2? “…then the Son o” It looks like it was truncated in a cut-and-paste operation.



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Phil Niemi

posted March 12, 2009 at 6:34 pm


Becky,
Through the OT that is a common theme, you can find D.A. Carson Backing that one up on an exposition of Rev. 12.
Phil



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Mike Clawson

posted March 12, 2009 at 7:28 pm


Becky,
As Phil mentioned, the evidence you’re looking for is all through the OT prophets. Go back and read the texts Scot referenced and notice that all of these prophets were referring to ancient political upheavals – especially the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions – when they use this imagery. This is standard, figurative prophetic language.



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Dave Leigh

posted March 12, 2009 at 7:45 pm


Even with part of paragraph 2 missing, you are quickly becoming my new hero on the topic of echatology! Thanks Scot for putting it all together so neatly and articulately. Can’t wait to read the conclusion!



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Chris E

posted March 12, 2009 at 8:46 pm


In the previous post on this topic, Scot skipped over Mk. 13:10, and in this post, primarily using Matt. 24, Scot skipped over 24:14. Both verses talk about the gospel being preached to all ethnic groups in the whole world. What metaphor is this supposed to be? This seems to me a great problem with the neat timeline presented here.



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Dave Leigh

posted March 12, 2009 at 8:59 pm


Re: Chris E #6
Pentecost?
Paul at Rome?



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RJS

posted March 12, 2009 at 9:03 pm


Chris E,
A frame of ca. 70 at looks to a time when the gospel had essentially spread to the known world. Perhaps we err when these verses are taken out of their context and assumed to apply to a world that did not exist as far as the audience was concerned.



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Scot McKnight

posted March 12, 2009 at 9:05 pm


Chris E,
It’s hard to discuss exegetical issues in a blog like this, but thanks for the pushback. It’s late for me, but let me put it this way.
I’m not sure they were “skipped” (as in ignored because they couldn’t be explained) and neither can we be sure that Mark 13:10 par means what you suggest. One solid explanation is that this, too, is included in the “all these things” (yes?) and therefore most likely refers to the evangelizing of the Roman empire (and Colossians suggests something quite like this). And the language, as all apocalyptic prediction can be, needs to be respected for its rhetorical intent — something like “we’ve got time but not that much time.” I’m not sure a non-preterist can explain “all these things” happening — including Mark 13:10 par in Matthew 24:14.



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ChrisE

posted March 12, 2009 at 9:57 pm


Scot,
>>>I’m not sure a non-preterist can explain “all these things” happening — including Mark 13:10 par in Matthew 24:14.



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Mike Morrell

posted March 13, 2009 at 12:34 am


Insightful series, Scot. I’d like to hear why you’re a ‘partial’ preterist and not a full preterist; and I’d love it if you were able to interact a little with Kevin Beck’s recently-released tome on a ‘Transmillenial’ eschatological vision, This Book Will Change Your World. (You can download it for free there if you don’t already have it)
I’ll keep reading…



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Mike Morrell

posted March 13, 2009 at 12:37 am


Oops! I forgot how Beliefnet reckons URLs. The booksite is http://thisbookwillchangeyourworld.com



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Dana Ames

posted March 13, 2009 at 11:49 am


ChrisE@11,
the close of the age/the end was the close/end of the pre-messianic age. This was a hot topic among the Jews of Jesus’ day; it’s a way of asking the question, “Who is the messiah?” Because when the messiah comes, the old age will be over and the new -the age to come- will be inaugurated.
The suffering and violence in Jerusalem in AD 70 was certainly the greatest tribulation the Jews of Jesus’ day had ever seen. Imagine how it was for them to see the Temple with no stone remaining on top of another, if nothing else. It was an unmitigated disaster, and still mourned by pious Jews.
Dana



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DonL

posted March 13, 2009 at 11:58 am


Scot,
I have enjoyed this series on eschatology so much, that I felt compelled to finally comment after spending the past couple of years merely reading the posts on this site. I just want to say amen! I?m very much encouraged by your comments, and looking forward to the rest of the series.
Chris E #10,
When Luke said that ?all the world? was registered in Caesar?s census, he clearly meant the Roman Empire (the NIV, for this reason, actually translates Luke 2:1 thus). The Apostle Paul said the same thing … ?all over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing … the gospel … has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven? (Col 1:6, 23).
The reason Jesus could describe the destruction of Jerusalem and of the temple as the greatest tribulation the world had ever seen is due to the covenant implications of that event. The passing from Old Covenant to New Covenant, from Israel to the Church, was a momentous, unique and eternally significant event. As it relates to God?s plan for the redemption of the world, the destruction of Jerusalem (and all the spiritual reality that was signified by this earthly event) truly was the greatest judgment of God the world would ever experience.



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John W Frye

posted March 13, 2009 at 12:49 pm


Scot,
I agree with the comments above that understanding the hermeneutics of biblical apocalyptic imagery will help diffuse the cultural fascination with tabloid eschatology in its current pre-Trib form.



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BenB

posted March 13, 2009 at 8:14 pm


Chris E,
I did my final research paper on Jesus’ Kingdom ideas in Mark’s Gospel for my Matthew/Mark course last semester. Needless to say, I’ve been overwhelmingly (as much as can be) convinced of a Partial-Preterist reading. Mark 13:10 par cannot be read literally as “all the world” or “all the known world” as a definite, and fit into the context. The context is about persecution, and faithfulness in the face of that persecution. The most natural reading is that the evangelism of the entire world with the good news must be a persistent goal, and nothing should stand in their way of accomplishing this.
As ar as “Greatest Tribulation the world has ever seen,” I still think we’re pushing for too literal a reading of the text. I think it is clear here that Jesus (or Mark) is directly referencing Daniel 12:1, it was standard language in such prophecies to speak of a coming tribulation as being so extreme. This just seems to be what i’ve gathered.



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