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A Hole in the Gospel

Thursday May 28, 2009

Categories: Gospel
Richard Stearns is the President of World Vision. When the President of World Vision speaks, people listen. When the same person writes, people read. On our trip to South Africa I saw a man sitting in the middle of the...
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Dan
May 28, 2009 7:45 AM

It has never been either-or. It has always been both-and. Evangelicals have been involved in charity organizations like Compassion International for as long as I can remember, have sent medical missionaries to distant lands, founded schools, hospitals. It may be true that focus on eternal matters (salvation) gets more attention than temporal matters (food, shelter, health), but I don't think the divide is quite so absolute as an either-or presentation of Luke 4:18-19 vs Romans?

BKF
May 28, 2009 7:50 AM

When I first read the article there was (I thought) a comment about coconuts, utilizing them for economic stability of poor I think was the main idea....but when I came back to the article to read in depth
it was gone! Where did it go and how could I find it.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 8:14 AM

Dan, I'm not so sure this is the case. I've been paying attention to this discussion for years, and I rarely hear anything but this divide when it comes to the meaning of "gospel."

BKF, I think you must have been somewhere else.

Amy
May 28, 2009 8:18 AM

I am really stoked to read this book. I need to get on that.

I think the biblical gospel is totally about justice for the world. It took me a while to realize it, but now it is so evident to me.

The way I see it, it's all about redemption. Yes, personal salvation is important, but that is just a part of the big picture. We are redeemed through Jesus as people, but God is out to redeem all of creation. As it groans in expectation, we know it will not be complete till Jesus returns again but we should do all we can to fight for that redemption everywhere we can.

And justice is all about redemption. Redeeming people, redeeming physical creation. That is our call as Christians.

I guess I don't really see personal salvation or justice as first or second in a line, but that personal salvation is a part of justice and it is all intertwined together. And I think we can glean that from the entirety of the Bible, not even just picking Jesus' kingdom message or Paul's message of personal salvation, although those definitely "big stones" in the big story of redemption.

Clay Knick
May 28, 2009 8:19 AM

Scot,

You are right about two things. The book could have been a little shorter, that's the first. Secondly, the book is fantastic! I read it a few months ago and it moved me deeply. I've been recommending it to friends all over.

Matt Barker
May 28, 2009 8:43 AM
http://seekersjourney.com

Sounds like a book I need to read next; right after I get done reading the Blue Parakeet (absolutely love this book)! We can and must do more for this world around us; not because it is on a checklist of ways to get into heaven, but because of who God is and the sacrifice He made for all of us.

Sometimes we get stuck in a rut of thinking "the bible says it is going to be like this" and we figure we can't do anything to stop it. Maybe that's the case, but does that mean that we shouldn't do anything about it? Should we just sit idly by while people suffer - when we have the opportunity to help? Hmmm... I think NOT!

Dan
May 28, 2009 8:49 AM

Once again, I agree there could be more emphasis on compassion and charity. But I have to push back. I sponsored a child with Compassion International after being challenged at a Phil Keaggy concert in about 1981. I went to school with kids who were training to be medical missionaries. I am teaching a Sunday School class on 2 Corinthians where we just discussed the collection for the Jerusalem church and the generosity of the Macedonians who were themselves poor and oppressed. Our very conservative baptist/calvinist is in the middle of a series on stewardship and is not shy about the stats on American wealth vs the rest of the world. My point is not that there is no imbalance in emphasis, my issue is portraying it as "gospel" vs "justice". There has always been an emphasis on compassion in evangelical circles, not enough, but never a complete separation between eternal salvation and present-tense charity. I think that overstates the matter in an accusatory way.

Robert
May 28, 2009 8:57 AM

The book is on the way to me now by mail. Very interested in reading it. I appreciate the review and comments. I was raised to believe that just an affirmation of Jesus as God's Son and that He died for me was enough. And as have read various books there are others that share Jesus with someone, receive the affirmation they want, and then move on leaving the believer to fend for himself but affirming that he is now saved.

Over time I have come to believe that the the Gospel is more than that. He must be the Lord of our lives and we must seek to right social justice and care for those in need. This may be just a reaction to my work as a social worker. Or maybe I'm a social worker because of my Christian beliefs. I can't separate the two.

Anyway, as an avid reader I await the arrival of the book and hope it is very thought provoking.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 9:04 AM

Thanks Dan, but I want to push back once again because your examples, while not typical 30 years ago (or even 20 years ago), still are not connecting Justice to "gospel." We will agree that evangelicalism has developed, esp in the last 15 years, a much more robust social vision in that justice and compassion are the call for Christians. On that I agree.

But, is justice "gospel" for these folks you are mentioning? Richard Stearns, while I think he sees a two-step process of salvation and commitment to global issues, connects the word "gospel" to doing justice work in this world.

Dan, look at Robert's comment above: that is the contrary position. This is not a compassion vs. no compassion, but a robust gospel vs. a personal-salvation-only gospel that, with proper instruction and proper growth in spiritual formation, will lead to compassion and justice.

Question: Do you know any gospel tract that summons a person to commitment to peace, justice, and compassion as inherent to the response to Jesus Christ?

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 9:17 AM
http://mysticallimpet.blogspot.com

Dan @ 7,

I think the problem is that although evangelicals frequently do things involved with social justice (about which you are quite right), many times there is simply no theology or teaching about it at all. Your church sounds like it's up to some really good stuff, but despite growing up in a similar milieu (as a minister's kid, no less) I didn't learn about God's concern for the poor until I took classes on Judaism at a secular university. That is a problem. And it's not one of emphasis. Many do fairly explicitly teach "a complete separation between eternal salvation and present-tense charity". Or (worse), charitable acts are a bait-and-switch tactic to get people to listen to a sermon or read a tract. To even see a separation between "eternal matters" and "temporal matters", between telling a person God loves them and giving them a sandwich, is, I believe, unfaithful to the Bible.

And I don't mind if that is accusatory. That's the point.

RJS
May 28, 2009 9:17 AM

Scot,

Through reading the various views on your blog, various books, and through face to face conversations with some people, I have come to appreciate the diversity of evangelicalism and fundamentalism over the last 50 years. The view you claim as "normal" certainly existed (and exists) as a substantial part of the conservative Christian church. It may have even been the larger part - but it was far from the only face of evangelicalism.

My experience matches Dan's - the gospel I was taught incorporated mission and justice along side of evangelism and personal salvation. This is what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's. It is, I think, a significant part of what kept me connected in the early 80's when I was questioning almost everything -- and it was important to my contemporaries in high school and college.

But...while I was raised within conservative evangelicalism, we were never classed as "fundamentalist."

John W Frye
May 28, 2009 9:20 AM
http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com

Scot, what fascinates me is that this is coming from a practitioner and a businessman, Robert Stearns, not a professional theologian (not that there is anything wrong with being a professional theologian).

Your question--"Do you know any gospel tract that summons a person to commitment to peace, justice, and compassion as inherent to the response to Jesus Christ?"-- brings it down to the nitty-gritty. Those who have championed "the-gospel-is-only-about-me-getting-to-heaven" are going to have to come to grips with the biblical, robust gospel.

Thanks for pointing out to Dan that this discussion is not about evangelicals avoiding compassion and justice ministries. The record as Dan points out is commendable. The issue is: are these ministries an embedded element of the gospel of the kingdom of God as preached by Jesus and Paul et al? I am aware that there is still a large segment of evangelicals who think "the gospel" is essentially about getting "souls saved."

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 9:21 AM

RJS,

When someone "evangelized" or used a gospel tract, was justice, compassion, peace, etc., involved in what was expected?

When you say it was incorporated alongside, was it a two-step process (saved, justice commitment), or integral to the saved part?

RJS
May 28, 2009 9:28 AM

Scot,

I think that is the wrong question. The right question is did it preach the faith as a total life commitment that included justice and compassion along with everything else. There is no "salvation" without total life commitment.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 9:31 AM

Au contraire, RJS, I think it is "a" right question to get to the nub of this issue: if your evangelistic strategy was to summon folks to total commitment, and if that total commitment involved commitment to community and to society and to world, then it was the right kind of total commitment.

I'm still looking for one evangelistic tract that does this, or should I say that did this?

My church of origin's gospel was total commitment, but it meant separation from sin and sinners.

RJS
May 28, 2009 9:32 AM

And..."total life commitment" did not mean separation - it meant engagement and involvement.

RJS
May 28, 2009 9:33 AM

My addendum was written before your comment, but appeared afterward, and is quite to the point.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 9:38 AM

RJS at #16 amd 17 -- indeed it is.

Now my question: Who has heard an evangelistic sermon that summoned the people to not only faith in Christ for salvation but also saw salvation as justice and therefore summoned folks into commitment to the kingdom?

[I'm using some of these words in less-than-fully-accurate but typical ways.]

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 9:49 AM

Scot @ 18,

Matthew 5-7 comes to mind.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 10:26 AM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

I haven't read the book but I've put it on my list. A big question here is what do you mean by "justice?"

"Justice" is a heavily loaded term in my Mainline PCUSA world. "Justice" is not far from a being a liberationist quasi-socialist ideology wrapped up in religious lingo.

I have experiences similar Dan's and RJS' but I'd suggest most Evangelical efforts until the recent past have been more about aid to the poor rather than a more comprehensive view of creating a just world.

ChrisB
May 28, 2009 10:27 AM
http://homewardbound-cb.blogspot.com

Scot,

Two things:

1) Define "justice." That's a loaded and variously defined term.

2) Your argument with Dan is one that's occurred here before. Many have taught charity as the natural result of the gospel. You seem to want it to be taught as part of the gospel. That's when I start asking if you're preaching a form of works salvation. Are you?

Evan
May 28, 2009 10:29 AM

Travis @ 19, nice... :-)

Scot, I would have to agree with your criticism of the generalized evangelical definition of the gospel. Most churches I am networked with (and the one I am on staff at) would define the Gospel as a call to personal salvation (get-out-of-hell-free card), not an invitation into a different way of living, a different way of seeing the world, a different kingdom to pledge allegiance to.

This is an important distinction. One that truly embodies GOOD NEWS.

Bill Crawford
May 28, 2009 10:43 AM

When I read Stearns' book recently, I felt uncomfortable with the title and thought "A Hole in Our Discipleship" might have been better.

To me, "the gospel" is about entrance into the kingdom, a new birth, being reconciled to God, a beginning. But it is not the end just as birth is not the "end" of life. The growth-process includes the justice and mercy issues Stearns compellingly writes about.

I think there is a distinction that is important between how one enters the kingdom and then what follows in the way of kingdom-living. Gospel tracts focus on the entrance. No doubt they should do more to spell out the cost involved in starting out on this path, and that not only includes justice and mercy, but much more.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 10:45 AM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

#21 ChrisB

Your second question seems to equate "gospel" with "personal salvation." The gospel, "good news," was about the Kingdom coming. Personal salvation is a part of that message that is important to each of us individually but that does not sum up the gospel. As I wrote recently on another thread, we are not only saved from sin; we are saved to God, into a community, to give witness to the coming Kingdom. "Giving witness" includes the call to personal salvation but it is much more.

The person who does not exhibit the Kingdom of God testifies that they are not saved, or they have not understood the nature of their salvation. (Read James.) That is not salvation by works.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 10:47 AM

Michael #20, this book doesn't define "justice" carefully. Mostly it means righting the world's inequities in response to the call of grace in our lives.

ChrisB, you're right. An old canard, and one I'm not likely to give in on. Here's why: Sermon on the Mount, the book of James, etc.. I believe many who use the expression "receive Christ" have a fullness to their meaning of "receive," but not all. And the moment one wonders if Jesus or James are teaching salvation by works, I get nervous. And then throw in new perspective on "works of the law" and the whole issue is turned inside out (or into an about turn).

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 10:57 AM

Bill @ 23,

Why should the entrance to the kingdom be unlike the actual kingdom? If we invite people to follow Jesus based on self-interest alone (of course, not all do this), why should we be surprised when they end up with a shallow, self-interested faith?

Evangelism speak to not just the stain of (original) sin with the offer of God's forgiveness, but the (even more original) God-sculpted human being who longs to do what he or she was created for, to live with purpose and in reconciliation with God and the world, carrying out God's mission. Our being transformed must be connected with being a transforming presence in the world. Not as an afterthought, not as an implication, but as the very good news itself.

Dan B.
May 28, 2009 10:57 AM
http://www.faithemergence.com

This is always a fascinating discussion and we've obviously seen some variants along this line. It goes to some of the issues discussed in relation to the challenging passages from James.
The reality is that we're trying to examine the distinction between justification and sanctification. Are these two things the same? No. Are they so intricately connected that any attempt to separate them is almost impossible? Yes. So when a person examines the Gospel in Scripture they're going to be intricately connected as well.
There are so many examples of Jesus calling people to new life and that call includes personal salvation, right relationship with God, and also the ramifications of that relationship with the world. In Lutheran realms we talk about the two kinds of righteousness. Vertical righteousness with God and horizontal with world and man. To separate them does injustice, but to confuse them is also error. That's why some writers refer to broad and narrow Gospel or broad and narrow righteousness or even justification. They're not the same, but they have to be connected. They have to come together and so as we speak to people, they should come together.
Of course sometimes we see one emphasized while the other takes a bit of a backseat. That's not completely inappropriate because sometimes people need to hear more about one than the other. To the person who's struggling personally with issues of forgiveness, they need an emphasis on personal justification or narrow Gospel. To another we might need to emphasize the broader meaning so as to make sure they're not trying to limit the Gospel implications in their life. That's probably a bigger problem in our world today.
We see Jesus, Paul, and others doing the same thing throughout the Bible, emphasizing what needed emphasizing, but not confusing.
People might also appreciate Bonhoeffer's discussion of Cheap vs. Costly grace in "Cost of Discipleship".

RJS
May 28, 2009 11:49 AM

Scot,

You win on this one ... the language used was to summon people to faith in Christ for salvation - it didn't see "salvation as justice" but it did see faith as life commitment to the kingdom.

But I think that while this may indicate a need for a change in focus in how we preach the gospel to the next generation, it doesn't really change the end result of how we are to live.

T
May 28, 2009 11:53 AM

Scot,

I'm glad you keep raising the gospel issue through so many different voices. And yes, yes, yes to the nervousness about Jesus, James (and John, and Paul) as teachers of 'works righteousness.' If anyone quoting Jesus, James, Paul & John ends up getting questions of heretical 'works righteousness' then we likely have misunderstood 'works righteousness' or 'faith' or something.

Travis (19), Awesome.

Dan & ChrisB,

'Gospel' has been, and largely still is in evangelical circles, about surviving judgment after life through appropriating Jesus' sacrifice (and that alone) now despite the larger NT way of using the concept. Signing up to become an extension of God's communal life of restorative mercy simply isn't part of 'gospel' in most evangelical circles. I just heard as much from Moody Church on the radio yesterday. I believe that justification through faith is good news. It's just not even close to all the good news presented by Jesus and his apostles as good news. We've often explained away the 'kingdom' formulations in the NT by equating them with heaven or a literal (millenial) reign of Christ entirely in the future, or as a potitical offer applicable only to the Jews of that day. These are the positions of several of the leading study bibles (not to mention seminaries) for the last several decades. However we get there, the end result of our various systematics has been that the gospel in the gospels and Acts isn't "gospel."

I think Amy (4) hits it on the head. This larger gospel is good news for the poor. Why? Because as people get on board with the new king's agenda (by coming to trust and follow him over other influences, powers, idols, etc.), the poor get taken care of and treated as equal value with Christ. The gospel is hard for the rich; it's a 'woe.' Why? Not because of justification by faith alone. Because the rightful king doesn't keep giving mercy to the unmerciful; he equates the treatment of others, especially the needy, with treatment of himself. New sheriff; new rules. It's time to bet our lives on whether we think Jesus is really the new Lord and judge or not, and how he'll judge. This gospel is still about trust, about mercy; but it's only about trust that is strong enough to reshape our lives and the lives of those around us.

Nick Mitchell
May 28, 2009 12:11 PM
http://thekingandhiskingdom.blogspot.com

Bill Crawford: You are right that part of the gospel is the good news that one can enter into the kingdom of God. However, this isn't the only thing that the gospel offers. In the gospels Jesus is announcing the Kingdom of God. When we move on to Acts we find that the early church is announcing Jesus himself. They are announcing that Jesus is the Messiah, the long awaited King, and true Lord of the world. They declare that forgiveness is available through this man because of his death on the cross but they equally announce that he has been appointed as Lord and Christ through his resurrection from the dead. So the question we need to be asking is, "Why is it good news that Jesus is the messiah, the king and the world's true Lord?" Well part of that answer is that, as Jesus own mother knew, when the Messiah came he would establish his kingdom of peace and justice. Jesus is the messiah who brings God's gracious rule to earth and dies to make that kingdom possible.

Randy
May 28, 2009 12:14 PM

In response to Scot's challenge in #18, I believe that both my wife and I have heard such sermons. My wife grew up in a Church of the Brethren congregation which had a very vigorous justice aspect to their view of the very core of what it means to be a Christian. While in graduate school at Michigan State University, our CRC pastor regularly and deeply challenged the congregation on these very issues. He had done doctoral work at U. of Michigan in ANE, and placed the Shema and very Jewish concepts of beliefs and justice at the core of his theology.

Peace,
Randy Gabrielse

ChrisB
May 28, 2009 12:16 PM

Michael Kruse & Scot:

"Your second question seems to equate 'gospel' with 'personal salvation.'"

...like 90% of evangelicals. Having a conversation where everyone uses the same words in different ways is not constructive. (Knowing how most people use the term "gospel," how might you rephrase today's idea?)

Hence my question about "justice." The term "social justice" has little resemblance to justice before the law. If we're talking about feeding the hungry, freeing the prisoners, and healing the sick, that's not the same as making sure rich and poor are treated the same under the law (the OT meaning of "justice").

"the moment one wonders if Jesus or James are teaching salvation by works, I get nervous."

Why?

And you never answered my question: Are you preaching a works salvation?

Why must we think of the gospel in terms of helping the poor, etc? Why can we not view that as part of sanctification and the natural -- and telling -- result of justification?

RJS
May 28, 2009 12:20 PM

Scot,

The gospel of Jesus (and Paul and James) demands a total life commitment. There is no alternative. Because of this I think throwing in the "works gospel" label as a dirty word is something of a cheap shot. We do nothing to earn what God through the faithfulness, life, death, and resurrection, has accomplished. We either buy into it or we don't - but if we do it is total life commitment.

It seems to me that this is your real question - and relevant to my experience:

Is the gospel what God has done to restore my relationship with him enabling me and requiring me to buy into his mission which includes justice and compassion.

or

Is the gospel what God has done to redeem creation and initiate the coming of his Kingdom. We buy into his mission, repent and follow him.

Certainly the teaching I absorbed was the first not the second. Does it matter?

Jjoe
May 28, 2009 12:28 PM

Isn't it inherently selfish to even think about salvation? The point of the gospels should not be what happens after you die, but what happens right here and now.

I'd argue we have not truly died to sin until we have stopped concerning ourselves with our personal concerns, if that makes any sense.

Perhaps doubt about whether one is truly destined for heaven or not is a good thing. My daughter is taking her finals this week, and I sure don't want her convinced she's made an A, even though that's her average to date. I want her worried, so she'll work harder -- and learn more.

(I was struck the other day by a post on a Calvinist blog that stated just the opposite: doubt is bad, because it means we're doubting the sovereignty of God, which then might imply we're not among the elect.)

This is why I tend to fall on the side of infant baptism, with the expectation that the baby is going to grow up working every day on being a better Christian, not be assured of salvation simply because they were saved at some point later in life. If someone comes to Christ on their deathbed, is that really Christianity?

I remember being in a bible study with my pastor who, after I'd made a comment about us all going to heaven, remarked that it was our *hope*.

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 12:35 PM

ChrisB @ 32,

Is equal treatment under the law for rich and poor really the extent of the OT's description of justice? When Jesus quotes Isaiah in Luke 4, "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..." he wraps up the work of the Spirit, his own Messiahship, gospel (good news) and poverty all at once.

The idea of "gospel" = "personal salvation" is exactly what we're talking about. I'm aware most evangelicals use it this way. This is a problem.

Nobody's talking about salvation by works. But salvation to works? Absolutely.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 12:38 PM

Good comments and conversation today, and I'm glad to be home so I can interact more.

We make a colossal mistake when we fall for the radical distinction between Jesus' gospel of the kingdom and the early gospeling in Acts by suggesting "the proclaimer became the proclaimed." That is, that Jesus preached kingdom but Peter and Paul preached Jesus.

I have for two years now pushed hard for connecting "kingdom" to "Jesus" and not letting "kingdom" be a code-word for simply "justice." No one can read the Gospels and miss the connection of kingdom to Jesus, and this leads to a huge and major point about the gospel:

The gospel Jesus preached was about himself and a kingdom that revolved around himself.

This means the gospeling of Peter only "expanded" the "me-reference" of Jesus to include an enhanced version of what Jesus already predicted -- his death and his resurrection and his vindication. That is, Peter and Paul expanded the significance of the death and resurrection, but his gospel and their gospel are centered in Jesus himself. To gospel for Jesus was to summon people to himself as the core of what kingdom is all about.

chad m
May 28, 2009 12:53 PM
http://resurrectingfootpaths.blogspot.com

love your last comment Scot...Jesus was all about establishing God's Kingdom. Jesus was all about a future that includes Christ's reign "on earth as it is in heaven." for those of us who claim allegiance to that Kingdom, we are to work and act to see that those kingdom principles are realized now. this is why we pray, "your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." well, i hope we pray this way!

for more of these thoughts, people have to read Surprised by Hope by NT Wright...
peace

Dan
May 28, 2009 12:57 PM

We do have a problem with definitions, specifically “justice” and “gospel”. Scot, I think what bothers me remains the dichotomy between Romans and Luke 4:18-19. You seem to be saying that the gospel is about advancing the Kingdom of God in the here and now and not just salvation in a future life. Can you clarify in what ways your view differs from the social gospel of the old religious left? Here’s my answer to the “gospel” question.

Luke 4:18,19 is a Jesus claiming to be the fulfillment of a messianic prophecy, not a statement about the gospel. "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor."

There are five items here.
1. Proclaim good news to the poor
2. Heal the broken hearted (only found in the KJV)
3. Proclaim liberty to the captives
4. Recovering of sight to the blind,
5. Set at liberty those who are oppressed

If the meaning of the gospel is about advancing the "kingdom here and now" (presented as an antithesis of the gospel of personal salvation) then there seem to be a number of questions that come up.

What portion of the "gospel" we should practice in 2009 is proclaiming good news to the poor in the sense of freeing them from poverty as opposed to preaching repentance? 60%? 90%? What portion of our time is to be spent proclaiming liberty to captives? What portion of our ministry is meant to be spent healing those who are physically blind? What portion of our work of the gospel is setting free the oppressed? And what portion then is to be spent calling men to repentance from moral autonomy?

And these become very open-ended questions. How do we set free the oppressed? By protesting the unjust social structure of capitalism? By resisting the corrupt government of Zimbabwe? Do we heal the blind through annointed charismatic prayer or medicine? Which captives are we to free? Captured by whom and for what reason? Does this mean we jump on the “close Gitmo” bandwagon? Are all "here and now" prisoners imprisoned unjustly? How then is the "gospel" about "justice"?

If that is what the "gospel" is there are additional questions. How many captives did Jesus set free from earthly slavery? Where was his political action committee? How did he organize to resist earthly slavery? How many did Jesus loose from the bonds of earthly oppression? How much of Jesus' ministry was about raising money for charities and feeding the poor? If it is not about personal salvation, where is the evidence of Jesus organizing a collective movement to correct the unjust social structures of the Roman empire? On the other hand, how many blind people did Jesus not get around to healing of physical blindness? If we don't have solid answers to these questions, was Jesus insufficient in his exercise of the proclamation of "gospel"?

The alternative is: does the more traditional understanding of Gospel make more sense, that the "poor" Jesus comes to proclaim the gospel to are the "poor in spirit" who are to be freed from the bondage and oppression of slavery to moral guilt before God? That the physical healing of the blind, sick and lame pointed not to what the "gospel" is, but to who Jesus is? That the care for the poor and the oppressed in this life is a vital extension of the eternal gospel and not the gospel itself? Dare we confuse the fruits of the gospel (real, but partial benefits in this world) with the gospel itself (the promise of a New Heaven and a New Earth where every tear is wiped away and death itself is destroyed)?

I’m all in favor of mercy and compassion in this world, don’t get me wrong. But in answer to the question, “what is the gospel?”, the gospel is decidedly not about earthly social justice. I think that is reading into the text and not exegeting it. His Kingdom is not of this world, though we as citizens of a more permanent country can certainly do much good in this one. Can Western Christians be challenged to do more for the impoverished? Absolutely! Is the gospel of salvation from sin and a hope for a more lasting kingdom somehow in opposition to compassion in the here and now? Absolutely not. Is the gospel primarily about earthly justice? No.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 1:04 PM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

ChrisB #32

"...like 90% of evangelicals. Having a conversation where everyone uses the same words in different ways is not constructive."

And what should be the arbiter in such matters: Scripture or Evangelical conventions and traditions? I suggest scripture has broader view of "gospel" than simply personal salvation.

Ann
May 28, 2009 1:15 PM
http://restoringsoul.blogspot.com/

I know so many people who simply do not want to listen to the words of the gospel, and will shut anyone down who tries to speak about their personal faith. The only response we can have to these people is to live lives that proclaim our faith in family, community and world-transforming ways. We, the church, need to look at ourselves squarely from the non-believers' POV and ask whether our "words" have become flesh, or not.

ChrisB
May 28, 2009 1:21 PM

Travis and Michael Kruse,

"I'm aware most evangelicals use it this way. This is a problem."

You don't solve that problem by wresting these terms away from people and imbuing them with the meaning you think they ought to have. That results in people talking past each other.

You solve this by talking to each other.

So, again, having a conversation where everyone uses the same words in different ways is not constructive.

T
May 28, 2009 1:23 PM

On this question: "if one thinks the gospel entails justice, how is that gospel to be preached? What does evangelism look like for a gospel without the hole?"

I think we always set our gospel presentations within some kind of context, generally it's whatever we conclude God's chief aim is. I think the context of evangelicalism's gospel has been the conclusion that God's chief aim is getting people, eternal souls, to heaven when they die. To follow ChriB's point, that's the "salvation" God offers (again despite how much more broadly the term is used in the NT. God isn't as focused on how lives actually go here--this world will all burn with the devil. It's a rescue operation into a burning building which is beyond putting out. Then the 'gospel' we see in the scriptures and present to others is oriented around that central goal of God. Our conclusion about the Big Story has shaped our gospel.

If, though, we become pursuaded that a complete remaking and reclaiming of the creation is the goal, a new, functional creation, growing out of and taking over the old like a good cancer (starting as the size of a mustard seed), which is led, powered by, and shaped like the Trinity in all ways, which will eventually result in the complete removal from the creation of all evil, death, and all who remain loyal to such things, etc. Then the 'gospel' we see in the scriptures and present to others is oriented around that central goal of God. This becomes "the salvation" God is offering--to the whole world. This gospel will focus on letting our prior selves and way of life die, and learning, as apprentices of Jesus, to be part of God's healing work and cease our destructive cooperation with the Enemy. It is still a rescue operation, but of a larger scope, and with more hope for the cosmos. The building is burning, but God's people aren't just firemen, paramedics & emergency workers, but also carpenters, architects, physical therapists, etc., both literally and figuratively, who are fixing what's broken, not just preparing to jump ship. This is part of the good news itself, at least if we honestly attempt to give Jesus' announcement, teachings & actions a place at the table.

Scot McKnight
May 28, 2009 1:29 PM

Dan,

Did you just deconstruct your first comment of the day?

Did Jesus preach the gospel? What was the substance of his gospel?

What does "good news" to the poor mean if it does not mean "gospel" for the poor?

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 1:29 PM

Dan @ 38, "If the meaning of the gospel is about advancing the "kingdom here and now" (presented as an antithesis of the gospel of personal salvation) then there seem to be a number of questions that come up."

There are infinite questions that come up, and we as the church are tasked with figuring them out by the power of the Holy Spirit. But the "kingdom here and now" is absolutely not an antithesis of the gospel of personal salvation. It isn't the old social gospel, because it's not just any kingdom. As Scot says, it's a kingdom centered around Jesus.

To quote the missionary E. Stanley Jones, "An individual gospel is a soul without a body; a social gospel is a body without a soul. One’s a ghost and the other’s a corpse, you can take your choice. I don’t want either one. I want both."

T
May 28, 2009 1:40 PM

ChrisB,

I agree that "salvation" ought to be discussed more thoroughly and with grace. One thing that gets me thinking that biblical "salvation" means more than just justification is that the NT writers use the same word we translate into 'salvation' in some places into 'healing' in others. People in the NT are "saved" or rescued from God's wrath, yes, but also disease (and possibly demons, I can't remember now). The point being that I don't think that NT authors would use the same word for both kinds of rescue, not to mention how similar ideas of 'redemption' and the like are applicable to the whole creation, and only thought of 'justification' when they thought of the multi-faceted rescue(s) brought through Jesus. In any event, I agree, that gospel and salvation inform each other.

Nick Mitchell
May 28, 2009 1:52 PM
http://thekingandhiskingdom.blogspot.com

Scot,

I think my wording was poor. I was not suggesting that Jesus and the apostles preached a different gospel. What I was trying to get across was exactly your point, namely, that part of the content of Jesus' kingdom proclamation was himself, the king. I think your language of a 'society' is very helpful as it implies that there are people who are gathered around this great king and experience his gracious reign.

Jjoe
May 28, 2009 1:53 PM

"What portion of our work of the gospel is setting free the oppressed? And what portion then is to be spent calling men to repentance from moral autonomy?"

This gets at the ultimate flaw I see in Christianity: That someone like Ghandi, who walked the way of Jesus more than anyone I've heard of, goes to Hell while (for example) a slaveowner who beat his slaves to death goes to Heaven.

Perhaps God in his ultimate wisdom that we cannot understand sees that as just, but I do not. What type of children would we raise if we parents worked that way?

It's enough to make me seriously consider Buddhism, where there is a relationship between good/bad actions and the consequences thereof.

RJS
May 28, 2009 2:23 PM

Dan,

I don't think that the gospel is about "social justice." But part of the gospel message is that each and every human being is of equal value before God. Probably Scot disagrees, but this is the way I read the beatitudes - blessed are those who are "out of favor" woe to those who give themselves airs and count themselves superior. This is integral to the way I read James and John as well.

God through his action in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus saves us from our sins and restores our relationships with him and with each other. The life and teaching of Jesus demonstrates that our biggest sins are manifest in our relationships to each other. If we do not love our fellow man, we do not love God. If we do not forgive, we are not forgiven. God enables us to live the greatest commandment - Love God, Love others. But this means that compassion, concern, abhorrence of systemic injustice are not simply "fruits" of the gospel - they are inseparable parts of the whole. Of course we won't carry through perfectly in this life, but if we are not aiming for the ideal and teaching the ideal we are not part of God's people.

Paul
May 28, 2009 3:31 PM

ChrisB (#32)

Maybe we one way we could understand the word "gospel" is in terms of both justification & sanctification? (instead of justification only)

At least, i think that might get at some of what is being discussed here today

Travis Greene
May 28, 2009 3:44 PM

Parallel to all this is the concept of the church. Every individual Christian is of course not called to single-handedly work on the problems of Darfur, peace in the Middle East, human trafficking, abortion and euthanasia, poverty, hunger, healthcare, calling nominal Christians to repentance and deeper commitment, the elderly, cancer, racial reconciliation, converting non-Christians, political engagement, crime and violence, the pornography industry, mental health, scholarly study of the Bible...

But the whole church is, by the power of the Spirit that dwells in us, which we are promised we receive when we repent (turn from sin) because we hear the good news that the kingdom is near.

Edmond Smith
May 28, 2009 4:25 PM

Jjoe asked the following:

"What portion of our work of the gospel is setting free the oppressed? And what portion then is to be spent calling men to repentance from moral autonomy?"

First the definition of Gospel:

Translated from Greek work euangelion: Good News

Glad tiding, concerning salvation and the kingdom of God as announced in the world by Christ.

The oppressed that the gospel is telling us that Jesus will set free are us. Because of sin in our lives and breaking the laws that God has set before us we are headed toward Death. Death of not only of our bodies but also of the Soul. Jesus is the only way to salvation none other.

The wages of Sin is Death.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Gospel is the law of the Spirit of the life of Christ.
Which makes us free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

And what portion then is to be spent calling men to repentance from moral autonomy?"

The whole portion is to be spent calling men to repentance. Everyday those of us who are Born Again, should be out and about the Fathers business seeking and saving those that are lost.

There is no hole in the Gospel. Just a hole in how we present the Gospel in it's true form.

Jesus came here to Save us...but from what? Ever thought of that. What did He come to save us from. Not our sins...that's the action His Blood does..Cleanses us white.

If your in a fire, and I come in with my hose and put the fire out...did the water save you or did I...I did..The water removed the heat from the room and you so that the fire could not consume you anymore.

Christ comes while we are in the throws of death with the fires of sin in our lives. Living a lawlessness life. His death and the shedding of His blood is like the water used to put the above fire out. it cleanses us from all unrighteousness and makes us whole.

The justification the Gospel speaks of is the Judgment that God will dispense of on those who have not repented and trusted in Jesus Christ.
You break the law of God...Love thy neighbor..you break all of the 10 commanded us to do..If you break one of the 10...you've broke them all.
And because God is a Just God, and hates sin and the sinner then he must justifiably punish those who sin directly against him...for that is what you do when you sin.

Repent and Trust in Jesus.

Rebeccat
May 28, 2009 5:21 PM

Edmund Smith,
with all due respect, I would suggest that you read a little more deeply into the discussion here and the various posts on Justification and the New Perspective. Most of us here would probably disagree with your presentation of the gospel and your understanding of justification from a biblical perspective. In fact, this whole discussion is really about whether the presentation of the gospel which you just presented has a big hole in the middle of it. If you read through what Scot wrote and the responses, you'll find many explanations for why many of us would say that yes, in fact there is a big hole in the middle of it. If you disagree with the thinking behind that argument, that would be interesting to hear. All of us are familiar with the version of the gospel you are presenting and have probably made a similar one in the past. However, the argument is that this presentation of personal salvation from the wages of sin gives a much needed body for the gospel to inhabit, but misses the heart of that body when it comes to what God was about when He came to live among His people. If we provide the body without the heart which desires the restoration of all of creation - including this world - then we have a gospel with a big old hole in the middle of it, I would say.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 6:16 PM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

ChrisB #41

"You don't solve that problem by wresting these terms away from people and imbuing them with the meaning you think they ought to have."

I have been in a Mainline denominational setting for the past 25 years. Gospel as "the good news of the coming Kingdom" is prevelant in my world. I know of other Christian traditons that share this idea. What is it that makes your evangelical experience authoritative and my experience and interaction with the scripture "imbuing them with the meaning you think they ought to have?"

I thought Evangelicals were supposed to reject creeds and human traditions in favor of the Word. During the Reformation, Luther and Calvin challenged all sorts of understandings shared by 90% of the people. They took people back to the Word. Declaring primacy of evangelical tradition over what is in the Bible doesn't strike me as very reformed. :-)

Your Name
May 28, 2009 6:34 PM

Dan #38

"Luke 4:18-19"

This passage is referring to Isaiah which is in turn referring back to the Jubilee. As with many quotes, a portion is quoted in order to bring mind the larger context. The Jubilee was exceedlingly practical concerning justice: land returned to its rightful owners, debts canceled, indentured servants set free. The Luke passage was not about the "poor in spirit" but the actual "poor." Go back and read Mary's song about the lowly being lifted up and the powerful being brought down. Justice elements are elsewhere throughout the NT.

No we will not usher in the fulfilled Kingdom but one of the ways we give witness to the coming New Creation is by living according to its future reality in the present. We pray "Thy Kingdom come thy will be done one earth as it is in heaven," and seek to see a measure of the Kingdom realized as a witness to what is to come. Only when Jesus returns will we be bodily resurrected into a new material world where justice will reign.

The gospel is that this decaying earth is not all there is and we need not go down with it. A new creation is coming. We invite people into relationship with God who saves them from sin and decay, and then makes them a part of the witness bearing Kingdom in the present that works for justice and thereby gives witness of the Kingdom to come.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 7:26 PM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

Rats! #54 was me.

Dan
May 28, 2009 8:13 PM

Scot. No deconstruction of my own post. I was digging deeper into your suggested disconnect between evangelicals basing the definition of the Gospel in Romans and your centering it on Luke and the "Kingdom". While care of the poor and the captive are good things, calling them "gospel" does sound a lot like and echo of the social gospel to me. And I still think it paints the "hole in the gospel" with too broad a brush.

Your Name 54. As I stated in my long post, I don't think that the Luke passage is saying "earthly justice" EQUALS "gospel". I am saying that earthly justice is certainly in keeping with the character of God and certainly is an outworking of righteousness. No question about that. But I do object to the suggestion in Scot's initial post that evangelicals who pay a lot of attention to Paul's long exposition in Romans regarding sin, judgment, and culminating in "no condemnation" are somehow wrong about the true meaning of gospel while those who emphasize the "Kingdom of God on earth" have corrected their error. Many who see the Gospel through the lens of Romans and Hebrews do seek to alleviate earthly suffering. They just see that as an effect of the gospel and not the gospel itself.

The gospel is first and foremost about Christ dying as an atonement for sin, "he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." This can and should lead us in response to acts of righteousness, charity and justice. But practicing "kingdom" principles and failing to emphasize the moral guilt that separates from God is getting the cart before the horse. And I fear that shift in emphasis will lead to seeking "structural" solutions to spiritual problems without addressing the rebellion against God that leads to the injustice in the first place.

I am just very uncomfortable with anything that sounds like the equating of "gospel" with earthly justice.


Rebeccat
May 28, 2009 9:34 PM

Dan,
If I may respond, imo there are many problems with the gospel of personal salvation as commonly taught. But fundamentally, I think that one of the biggest, most anti-biblical problems which comes from it is that it doesn't address what we are saved for. As someone points out above we aren't simply saved from something (hell), we must be saved FOR something. That something, according to scripture is a life dedicated to the redemption which the arrival of the messiah heralds. It is personal redemption to the image of God which we were created to carry and social redemption to bring about communities of peace, healing and justice. If we tell people that they need to get themselves saved so they can stay out of hell, imo, we are in very serious danger of creating people who do no more than demons in knowing that Jesus is Lord but will be turned away with the accusation that when their Lord was in need, they did not feed, clothe or assist him. We need to preach to people that they need to get themselves saved so that they can participate in the restoration of the whole of creation (which includes themselves, their communities, their families, their environment, etc).

Dedicating your life to God in order to avoid hell can hardly compare to dedicating your life to God so that you can play your part in the redemption of all of creation. It's like telling people that the point of driving a car is to push the gas pedal. Yes, you push the gas pedal to drive a car, but fundamentally, you are pushing the gas pedal to go somewhere - not just so you can say you pushed the gas pedal. Seeking a personal relationship with God is a first step in the process of restoration, but if our gospel says that this relationship is the whole point of the good news, then we are not giving due to the very things which Jesus himself said he was here to accomplish.

Glen
May 28, 2009 10:01 PM

Dan (#56), If I can give my two cents, when the 4 gospels say that Jesus preached the gospel, as in Luke 20:1, what exactly was he preaching? Often there is no elaboration, but nowehere in the gospels do you find Jesus preaching substitutionary atonement, or telling people that they must "ask him into their heart" or "pray to receive him as their Lord and Savior" in order to to avoid hell and go to heaven.

That was not the thrust of the good news Jesus preached. Rather, as in Matthew 24:14 (also Matt. 4:23 and many other places), Jesus preached "the gospel of the kingdom" - a kingdom that He said is near you (Luke 10:9), has come to you (Luke 11:20), and is within you (Luke 17:21). Jesus' gospel message was not primarily focused on where we go when we die, but whose Lordship we are living under now.

Michael W. Kruse
May 28, 2009 10:22 PM
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com

Dan #56

I wouldn't equate justice or personal salvation with "the gospel." They are essential complementary (not antithetical) qualities/implications of the gospel.

What I can't get my head around is why the full orbed view of the gospel, which includes personal salvation and justice, is such a threat to the idea of personal salvation.

RJS
May 28, 2009 11:26 PM

Dan,

I agree with you - practicing "kingdom" principles and failing to emphasize the moral guilt that separates from God is getting the cart before the horse.

But I lose you when you say things like This can and should lead us in response to acts of righteousness, charity and justice.

or Many who see the Gospel through the lens of Romans and Hebrews do seek to alleviate earthly suffering.

I think that we must be much more firm - I think both Jesus and Paul (if you read all of his letters, even all of Romans) teach that words like "can" and "many" are inappropriate here. This isn't an optional outworking of righteousness - this is how we are to live period. So it is not that this can lead us to in response to acts of righteousness, charity and justice - if it does not lead to such something is wrong. No one can do everything - but love must govern all choices.

Frankly I don't care what we call "gospel" and what is consequence of gospel as long as it is realized that the consequence is not optional. Romans 12:9-21 is not Paul giving a suggestion, nor is 13:8-10 and I could continue marching through the NT.

The problem with many expressions of the gospel in my opinion is that they don't actually require even an attempt to transform one's live in the direction of the clear NT teachings toward justice and compassion and love. And this is a perversion of all that is taught by Paul, not to mention Jesus, James, Peter, and John.

BenB
May 28, 2009 11:54 PM

Dan,

"I am just very uncomfortable with anything that sounds like the equating of "gospel" with earthly justice."

It is comments like this that just scare me. Because it is so easy for this mentality to choke out justice efforts. Not only that, but even justice efforts that are merely "response" and not PART OF "Gospel" in my opinion, are misplaced.

The Gospel for Paul is the work God had done in Christ dying AND raising. The work God had done (and was working out) was restoring his world to himself.

Within this... reconciling humans to himself through remission of their sins and guilt through Christ's death is PART of restoring the world to himself.

But only PART.

The other PART is God's world operating God's way through God's people empowered by God's spirit.

It is not a response.

It is in fact part of the "Gospel."

BenB
May 28, 2009 11:59 PM

Furthermore...

I find this to be important because Paul is the only NT writer who stresses the guilt/sin issue to the extent that he does. That is not to say it is not stressed/important/part of the Gospel.

However, to Jesus, James, Peter, and John...

The life of the Christian lived in love, justice, and compassion for this world of larger importance (in terms of their writing/speaking about it).

Even Paul is HUGE on the issue... but he just seems to stress other things more than others. This is a good thing because we need it. However, since the reformation it seems that Paul's writing has become first place in establishing "Gospel." I feel the whole of the New Testament should speak to what "Gospel" is.

Too many reformed don't do this.

Jim Martin
May 29, 2009 7:13 AM
http://www.godhungry.org

Scot,

I need to read this book. Like you, my background includes a definition of the gospel that was far too limited. Limited to one's own personal salvation, etc.

Just read through this fascinating conversation that took place here yesterday. I had read through almost all of the comments when I was struck by the last comment of RJS #60. I do appreciate her words and her caution regarding how we are to live as Christ-followers. She responds to an earlier comment and then says,

"The problem with many expressions of the gospel in my opinion is that they don't actually require even an attempt to transform one's live in the direction of the clear NT teachings toward justice and compassion and love. And this is a perversion of all that is taught by Paul, not to mention Jesus, James, Peter, and John."

Very good.

Michael Awbrey
May 29, 2009 8:05 AM
http://www.michaelawbrey.com

Thank you so much for pointing this book out, Scot! I have long seen and felt what you have, that many have made the transformed life of the believer some secondary, optional matter. It's not! If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creature! No, its not perfected in this life, we know, but it should reorient our aims, goals, purposes, and intentions.

This book is now on my wish list! Thanks!

Mike
May 30, 2009 4:14 PM
http://www.preachermike.com

Thanks so much, Scot. I just got this book and it's wonderful. I love this quote: "The whole gospel is a vision for ushering in God's kingdom -- now, not in some future time, and here, on earth, not in some distant heaven."

Mick Porter
May 31, 2009 10:47 PM
http://www.citygospel.net/

Hi Scott,

Great review - I'll definitely check it out.

We've just completed work on a DVD called:

"A Question of Mercy: Gospel Application to Issues of Justice and Mercy".

The DVD is aimed to help churches work through some of these issues. In our interactions with churches over such themes we tend to see them either lean hard to the left or hard to the right - but we're quite sure the issue is NOT "justice versus gospel"!

Steve
May 31, 2009 11:41 PM
http://www.citygospel.net/content/view/45/1/

Thanks for the review Scot, looks like a really good book - I'll definitely check it out.

FYI, a friend and I have just finished producing a 6-week DVD course called "A Question of Mercy". It's intended for use in small groups and deals with exactly these themes. I.e. how justice and mercy are indeed part of the full biblical gospel of the kingdom, and how this should both shape the content of our gospel witness and lead to mission that encompasses working for justice!

We felt it would be really helpful to have these themes presented in a DVD format that's more conducive to working through in small groups.

If you're interested you can check it out here...

http://www.citygospel.net/content/view/45/1/


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