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Justification and New Perspective 17

Friday June 12, 2009

Categories: New Perspective
We are looking at the new perspective debate and to do that we are working our way through Tom Wright's Justification: God's Plan & Paul's Vision.  Wright's argument is that one can't simply read 1:18 and then 3:19-20 and...
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Ted M. Gossard
June 12, 2009 4:30 AM
http://communityofjesus.blogspot.com/

Naturally I would be interested in the translation question, and not to say I'm not interested in the one highlighted here, but the NIV/TNIV translation's "justice", I can see will carry the reader along the lines of the old persepctive, whereas "righteousness", probably the more literal way of translating opens the way to see that part differently, in terms of God's righteousness in acting in salvation. Which then fits the faithfulness of Christ.

John Frye
June 12, 2009 8:10 AM
http://www.jesustheradicalpastor.com

It is ironic that Wright shows that the OPP for all its claims to be about the "glory of God" has reduced justification to an intensely anthropocentric concept (me and my faith) and the NPP spotlights justification as intensely theocentric (God and God's faithfulness).

Scot, this is a stimulating series. Thanks!

T
June 12, 2009 9:26 AM
http://gettingfree.wordpress.com/

Scot,

After you reviewed Michael Gorman's latest book here, I ended up purchasing a different one from him, and he discusses this issue (maybe in all his books on Paul). He's also convinced that the phrase 'pistis Christou' refers to the loyalty of Christ to God (where all others had failed in that loyalty). It reminds me of the Marines' motto. Of course, it is easier/appropriate to trust someone who is always faithful.

I'm enjoying Gorman's stuff a lot. Thanks for the recommendation.

tscott
June 12, 2009 9:51 AM

I'm totally off subject. John Frye's OPP/NPP has me back
in organic chemistry. Long story short, the recently
discovered mevalonate-independent pathway via deoxyxylulose
phosphate yield monoterpenes with these isoprenoid units.
(the regular monoterpene to achieve OPP/NPP notoriety is
from Artemisia absinthium producing the drink absinthe, banned
in many countries.)

Peter
June 12, 2009 10:09 AM

T (#3) - I am in the midst of reading Inhabiting the Cruciform God by Michael Gorman. I agree that it's a great help in understanding much of this justification issue (and more) as well as having an impressive God-glorifying devotional quality. I second your thanks for the "hot tip."

Brian McLaughlin
June 12, 2009 11:33 AM
http://triangularchristianity.wordpress.com/

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but pistis cristou is NOT an OPP vs. NPP debate. It is an exegetical debate that has proponents from both perspectives. Case in point: James Dunn. While Dunn has said repeatedly that this subjective/objective genitive is ambiguous, listen to his words in his conversation with NT Wright (on the NT Wright page):

"The other is that it’s pretty clear to me in some key passages, particularly Galatians 3, that pistis language is being used of Christian faith, to use that shorthand. The problem with Richard Hays’ presentation, as I recall, is that once you refer one of the pistis phrases, one of the “faith” phrases, to Christ’s faith (“the faithfulness of Christ),” it’s difficult to avoid reading all of the pistis references in the same way – the agreed presumption being that he’s using pistis consistently. But what strikes me again and again is that Paul starts his talk of pistis in Galatians 3 with Abraham: “Even so Abraham ‘believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.’ Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith (ek pisteos) who are sons of Abraham” (Gal. 3:6, 7, NASB). It’s pretty obvious to me that this means “you believed as Abraham believed”; and it is that pistis reference which sets the pattern for the pistis references throughout the chapter. That would be one of the lines of argument I would want to develop."

To claim that this is a failure of the OPP or yet another example of OPP being anthropocentric and NPP christocentric is to miss the reality of the debate (in addition to the fact that Paul has both an anthropology and a christology, so to pit those against one another is wrong).

So this is a case in which Wright's exegesis is framed by his larger understanding of the metanarrative (in a similar way that Piper's is). I'm still with Dunn (and Piper) on this one...

david yates
June 12, 2009 2:29 PM

One of the difficulties I have in trying to understand Wright is that he seems to characterize OT Israel in two contradictory ways. One way is as a saved nation graciously with God's help keeping the law, and the other way is as a nation without faith needing to be saved. How does he reconcile these?

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