Daily Prayers:
- A. Book of Common Prayer
- A. Book of Common Prayer 2
- A. Divine Hours
- A. Evening Prayer (Anglican)
- A. Morning Prayer (Anglican)
- Celtic Prayer
- Creeds of Christendom
- Eastern Orthodox Prayers
- Lectionary
- Liturgy of the Hours
- Missio Dei
Emerging Movement:
- Andrew Jones
- Andrew Perriman
- Anthony Stiff
- Art Boulet
- Bob Robinson
- Br. Maynard
- Dan Kimball
- David Fitch
- Dogwood Abbey
- Ecclesia Network
- Emerging Women
- Eugene Cho
- Henrik Holmgaard
- Jamie Arpin-Ricci
- Jazz Theologian
- John Frye
- John Lagrou
- Jonny Baker
- JR Briggs
- Leonard Hjamarlson
- LeRon Shults
- Lukas McKnight
- Peggy Brown
- Sivin Kit
- Stephen Shields
- Steve McCoy
- Steve Taylor
- Tamara Buchan
- The Practicing Church
- Tim Miekley
- Todd Hiestand
- Tom Smith (RSA)
- Tony Jones
Other sites I frequent:
- Allan Bevere
- Andy Rowell
- Attie Nel
- Barna
- Brad Boydston
- Chris Ridgeway
- CC Blogs
- Don Johnson
- Ed Gilbreath
- Erika Haub (Carney)
- Faith Blogging
- Falsani
- Fr. Rob
- Hummers
- iMonk
- James McGrath
- Jim Martin
- John Stackhouse
- JR Woodward
- Karen Spears Zacharias
- Laura Barringer
- LaVonne Neff
- LeaderFOCUS
- LL Barkat
- Luke/Annika
- Mark Galli
- Mark Roberts
- Michael Kruse
- Nexus
- Owen Youngman
- Ted Gossard
- Tom Wright
Recommended Online Readings:
Scholarly Books I’ve written:
- Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels
- Hist Jesus Anthology
- Interpreting the Synoptic Gospels
- Introducing NT Interpretation
- Jesus and His Death
- Jesus in Memory (ed.)
- New Vision for Israel
- Synoptics: Biblio
- The Face of New Testament Studies
- Who Do They Say I Am?
Scholarship Online:
- Apollos
- Books & Culture
- ChristianityToday
- CS Lewis
- EAC
- Early Xian Writings
- Euaggelion
- Gospels
- Jesus and His Death Blog
- Karl Barth Online
- Mark Goodacre’s Weblog
- Online Journals Access
- Online Pseudepigraph
- Pete Enns
- Prime Time Jesus
- Theopedia
- ThinkTank
Stuff online:
- 5 Streams
- Big Muddy
- Catalyst Scripture
- Catching the Wave
- DaVinci Code
- Forgiveness
- Future or Fad?
- Gospel of Judas
- High Calling
- Interview on Emerging
- Interview with LL Barkat
- IVCF Eikons
- IVCF Gospel
- John Bunyan
- Keys of the Kingdom
- Lake Emerging
- Mary in CT
- Missional in Seattle
- Missional Matrix
- Nativity Story
- Never Alone
- New Perspective
- Pepperdine Interview
- Professor as Scholar
- Recl Mind Mary 1
- Robust Gospel
- Social Justice
- Trojan Horse 2
- WiredParish Mary Interview
- Word/World NPP















posted September 28, 2009 at 8:40 pm
I like this.
It’s interesting that we’re often taught that the idea of marrying for love is a later invention. Here, Jesus was stating unequivocally that love was the basis for marriage. This is a beautiful statement that affirms the full humanity of woman. She is not an object–a thing– that can be cast aside when she develops cracks. She is not to blame if her husband strays, even if she has “let herself go.” The same goes for the husband vis-a-vis the wife, but given the unequal nature of the marriage transaction until recent times, Jesus’ stand radically affirms women.
posted September 28, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“Marrying for love”, and learning to love the person to whom you are married are very, VERY different things. “Marrying for love” is not only a later invention, but in many parts of the world, the trend is in fact in entirely the other direction. And it is also true that arranged marriages do not universally reduce women to an object over which to be bartered. As the busy schedule of 21st Century life makes it harder and harder for up and coming middle class young people in India and Japan, more and more are returning to those countries’ ancient traditions of arranged marriages. They see the sky-rocketing divorce rates of The West and the casual attitude about infidelity and conclude that “marrying for love” probably doesn’t work very well anyway, and since they don’t have the time to find someone to love before they get married, they opt to get married, and learn to love the person to whom they’re married. But in neither country are women bartered for or traded or treated like property. In fact, in both of these countries, gender politics were far more enlightened than The West long before we had any claim to the idea of gender politics.
I don’t see how the order in which these things occur is remotely relevant to what Jesus has taught us, here. His point focuses on the marriage itself, not its origins: love your spouse to the point where you would not even dare to entertain the thought of an infidelity. It is unlikely that anyone Jesus knew had “married for love”. Yet his words were spoken anyway.
I think this says a great deal about the Western notion of “love” than it does about Jesus’ opinions on cultural rituals or gender politics.
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That aside, my one big concern when we get into discussions around “don’t even think about it” is the impact this has on young, unmarried men who struggle with physical self-control during puberty and young adulthood. The amount of guilt, anguish and occasionally self-torture that results cannot possible be “right”.
posted September 28, 2009 at 10:06 pm
It can be a really powerful thing to know WHY we aren’t supposed to do something. This is a great example. It’s not just a rule for the sake of having a rule, adultry is wrong because it hurts people.
posted September 28, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Our old pastor (Lutheran) and even studylight.org says that adultery “in Scripture designates sexual intercourse of a man, whether married or unmarried, with a married woman.” Fornication, on the other hand, is having sex with someone you are not married to. I thought Jesus’ pronouncement against “adultery” was a victory for women who were considered the property of their husbands as opposed to a glorification of the one-man, one-woman marriage. Polygamy was considered the norm or the “right” of a man while his wife “belonged” to him and no one else.
posted September 29, 2009 at 1:19 am
Jim #2,
Thank you for that comment about “marrying for love.” You said what I thought to say when I saw that phrase used, except in more detail and with greater eloquence.
As far as your last paragraph is concerned, I understand them all too well. There are several cultural factors at work in the lives of Western youth. One is the delay of marriage. The fact is that people are pursuing career/wealth before they pursue a mate these days. Another is the fact that puberty seems to be hitting children earlier and earlier (which I attribute to BPA). This means that in a post-Sexual Revolution world, boys and girls have as many as 15 or 20 years from sexual maturity to marriage. And you’re right, the enormous amount of pressure that church culture and popular culture put on them in divergent directions would be enough to drive most people tortuously mad.
The last factor in this that really comes to mind is our cultural emphasis upon individual rights and personal fulfillment. These twins create a toxic environment for the formation of true marital unions because they direct a person’s focus upon him- or herself rather than upon the other. Marriage is no longer about growing together as people in a union—now, I hear messages from all around me telling me that I need to “figure out who I am” and that “there’s so much I need to do just for myself” before I get married. But the point of marriage, to me, is to help me become the person I need to be—the person I already am in Christ.
I don’t know how the church is to deal with these issues. I know we need to start creating a true counterculture among ourselves—a culture that goes beyond having “Christian” movies and fiction books and music.
Sorry for rambling.
posted September 29, 2009 at 2:09 am
I am wondering if Scot’s “marrying for love” is being misunderstood. He made it plain that the “love” he has in mind–that Jesus had in mind–is Jesus Creed “love.” It is the farthest thing from any distortion of love either in the culture or the inculturated church. The post was not about the pros and cons of arranged marriages, but about the heart of the ones in marriage, arranged or not. Behind every command of God is *hesed* or *agape* and to commit adultery is a violation of love as well as the attendant commitments of faithful marriage. As King David learned, his sin was against God’s definition of love, not just a hormonal lapse in David against Uriah’s marriage to Bathsheba.
posted September 29, 2009 at 2:37 am
To Jim Marks (#2) and the return to “arranged marriage” taking place in India and Japan.
I would offer that is taking place here in the West as well with dating “services” such as Eharmony, Match, etc. To whatever extent it may be acknowledged, there is a trend toward seeking the wisdom of others in such significant decisions.
This trend may be a Spiritual “movement-not-yet-perceived” that is, in fact, aimed at the very heart of what Scot (and subsequently, John (#6)) seems to have indicated here. A return to understanding what Love is.
posted September 29, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good post, Scot, and amen to your comment, John Frye.
Yes, this is needed in our day when divorce is not only rampant in our society, but among us Christians as well. Though I know it’s not always avoidable when one party insists on doing their thing.
posted September 29, 2009 at 6:50 am
Well, folks, I didn’t use the marrying “for” love expression. I was talking about the love of a man and a woman who are married and that Jesus saw adultery breaking that love.
But, now that you ask, the Jesus Creed would transform “why” a man and a woman marry into a commitment of love.
I sense the marrying “for” love idea gets too easily connected to romantic love (as defined in the classical writings).
posted September 29, 2009 at 8:52 am
Yes, I may have spoken in a burst of unbridled and unreflective enthusiasm about love … I do deeply share the concerns mentioned above about the distortions of romantic love. There’s much to be said for finding someone and loving that person whether or not he or she is “the one.” I see figures–I think I got this from Jesus Creed–that say that 31% of people between 15 and 30-something? are single, and while that’s skewed–how many 15 or 16 or 17 year olds do we expect to see married?–it still supports other alarming figures about the growth of unwed parenthood, etc. On a more personal level, I see, for example, my husband’s 31 yo nephew, who has fathered two sons with a woman, still agonizing over whether she’s the “one.” They’re stuck in limbo–they live with their two toddlers in a bedroom in her parent’s house–while he tries to figure out whether he wants to marry her… to me, the die has long been cast–in reality and not fantasy, she IS the one …so I worry about long, long hurtful single periods in young people’s lives … I don’t think we’d suffer as a society to replace fantasy romantic love with practical learning of virtue (connection to the NT Wright post above) and practicing that in earlier marriages to produce a more hard-headed love and better society …
posted September 29, 2009 at 9:10 am
I’ve always thought that Jesus’ words regarding adultery were interesting. If looking at a woman to lust after her (desire) is the sin, we’re all in trouble. Scot, do you think that Jesus is suggesting that if a man lusts after a woman, while he is married, that he is refering to not simply the desire, but more so creating the oppurtunity to fulfil that desire? James seems to allude to this process as he explains temptation and its consequences. Thoughts?
posted September 29, 2009 at 9:17 am
I thought “Thou shalt not commit adultery” was the sixth commandment and the seventh “Thou shalt not steal”.
I know this is not on point but I could not help but wonder when the commandments changed? These are what I learned many years ago:
I am the Lord our God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember thou keep holy the Lord’s day.
Honor thy father and thy mother.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.
posted September 29, 2009 at 9:31 am
Old School,
Depending on what denomination you are in, the Ten Commandments are divided differently. And Judaism has different divisions too. I’m sure the Biblical scholars know more.
posted September 29, 2009 at 9:45 am
Samuel,
I don’t think that Jesus was referring to a kind of instantaneous reaction as “lust” – I think that he was referring to a conscious intentional continuation. And Scot captures this in his wording – married man looked at woman in order to ravish her, he had already committed adultery in the heart.
I don’t think that this means creating an opportunity to make it physical, but it does mean intentional dwelling.
posted September 29, 2009 at 10:09 am
I don’t like tieing adultery just to sex or thoughts. I think it goes to an alienation of affections. I once told a church member that he was commiting adultery with the church because he was using the church as an excuse to avoid having a relationship with his wife. Adultery is to my mind anything that interferes with the fundamental relationship between a man and his wife or conversely a woman and her husband.
posted September 29, 2009 at 11:01 am
Old School @12: in Judaism, adultery is #7 as it is in some Protestant versions. In Roman Catholicism (and some say Lutheranism, although that’s not my experience), it’s number 6 and stealing is no.7.
Either way, that reinforces the power of Jesus’ ability to turn “adultery” from breaking an oath or stealing another man’s property into faithfulness to another person.
posted September 29, 2009 at 11:28 am
Here is the original scripture:
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King James Bible
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7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: 9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, 10 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labor, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor’s.
posted September 29, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Scot,
Love this post. This is so true. Jesus did go much farther than to simply give a directive telling us all not to do this.
Your explanation here is a reminder than simply giving directives or moralistic arguments misses the point for not participating in a behavior that is wrong. The reason matters and I appreciate the way you have articulated this.
posted September 30, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Kyrie @17: actually, the “original” is more like this:
1. Way?dabeer ‘Elohiym ‘eet kaal- had?baariym haa’eeleh lee’mor
2. ‘Aanokiy Yahveh ‘Eloheykaa ‘?sher howtsee’tiykaa mee’erets Mitsrayim mibeeyt `?baadiym
3. Lo’ yih?yeh- l?kaa ‘?lohiym ‘?cheeriym `al- paanaaya
4. Lo’ ta`?seh- l?kaa pecel w?kaal- t?muwnaah ‘?sher bashaamayim mima`al wa’?sher baa’aarets mitachat wa’?sher bamayim mitachat laa’aarets
5. Lo’- tishtachweh laahem w?lo’ taa`aab?deem Kiy ‘aanokiy Yahveh ‘Eloheykaa ‘El qanaa’ poqeed `?won ‘aabot `al- baaniym `al- shileeshiym w?`al- ribee`iym l?son?’aay
6. w?`oseh checed la’?laapiym l?’oh?bay uwlshom?reey mitswotaay
7. Lo’ tisaa’ ‘et- sheem- Yahveh ‘Eloheykaa lashaaw’ Kiy lo’ y?naqeh Yahveh ‘eet ‘?sher- yisaa’ ‘et- sh?mow lashaaw’
8. Zaakowr ‘et- yowm hashabaat l?qad?show
9. Sheeshet yaamiym ta`?bod w?`aasiytaa kaal- m?la’ktekaa
10. W?yowm hash?biy`iy shabaat la-Yahveh ‘Eloheykaa Lo’- ta`?seh kaal- m?laa’kaah– ‘ataah uwbinkaa- uwbitekaa `abd?kaa wa’?maat?kaa uwbhemtekaa w?geer?kaa ‘?sher bish`aareykaa
11. Kiy sheeshet- yaamiym `aasaah Yahveh ‘et- hashaamayim w?’et- haa’aarets ‘et- hayaam w?’et- kaal- ‘?sher- baam wayaanach bayowm hash?biy`iy `Al- keen beerak Yahveh ‘et- yowm hashabaat way?qad?sheehuw
12. Kabeed ‘et- ‘aabiykaa w?’et- ‘imekaa l?ma`an ya’?rikuwn yaameykaa `al haa’?daamaah ‘?sher- Yahveh ‘Eloheykaa noteen laak
13. Lo’ tirtsaach
14. Lo’ tin’aap
15. Lo’ tignob
16. Lo’- ta`?neh b?ree`?kaa `eed shaaqer
17. Lo’ tachmod beeyt ree`ekaa Lo’- tachmod ‘eeshet ree`ekaa w?`abdow wa’?maatow w?showrow wach?morow w?kol ‘?sher l?ree`ekaa
posted October 2, 2009 at 4:02 am
Adultery is a sin,every Christian believer knew this is the seventh commandment of God given to Moses at Mt.Sinai to guide all the people,the Israelites at the Exodus book of the Bible.But,when Jesus
came into the world,he modified the law by saying that when a man or woman wishes to get separated from his or her spouse,he or she must give him or her a certificate of divorce in order to be free.To me,since we all are sinners,the law is given and been modified so that we will not bear the curse that comes with that law,for jesus came down,i believe not only to save us but he gave us swords to strike whatever abuse that may hurt us.The law is given to protect
us from our enemy,we wrestle not physically but from principalities,darkness thats happening in this life.Above all,we were born because of love,and we shall die loved and have loved.
posted October 2, 2009 at 4:04 am
Love is the root of all the commandments!
“And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live” (Luke 10:25-28).
This is the teaching that this article is refering to, Jesus did not divide the commandments into two! Jesus was God Almighty manifest in the flesh (John 1:1) and He came preaching the law, the true intent of the law which was love! The religious folks of His day twisted the laws of God and mde them into doctrins and traditions of men which make the Word of God of none effect! (study Mark 7). Just like the religious folks of today do!
If you love your neighbor, you will not murder him! If you love your neighbor, you will not steal from him! If you love your neighbor, you will not lie to him! If you love your spouse, you will not commit adultery against her, etc, etc…
There is no such thing as big sin and little sin in God’s eyes, (this is a doctrine of man) you are either perfect or you missed the mark! “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all” (James 2:10). God’s law is like a glass, you can shoot a little BB hole in it or you can throw a desk through it, either way it is broken, doesn’t matter if it is a small hole or a huge one, the glass is still broken and has to be replaced! This is how God’s law is, big or small sin doesn’t matter, to God, sin is sin!
Notice that Jesus told the parable of the “GOOD SMARITAN” immediately after the religous guy asked Jesus, trying to justify himself, “who is my neighbor? (Luke 10:29).
The law was never given by God for us to keep in order to be right or righteous with Him, it was given to bring us out of a deception that we could ever be good enough to save ourselves! It was a ministration of condemnation and a ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Romans 3:19). God gave the law to show us that everyone is guilty before God therefore, driving us to our knees and crying out to Him for mercy, we need a savior, we can’t ever be good enough to save ourselves! Praise God for Jesus! Because of Him we are now the righteousness of God!
God made Jesus to become sin, who knew no sin so we could be made the righteousness of God in Him! (2 Corinthians 5:21). HALLELUJAH!
posted October 2, 2009 at 7:07 am
I completely agree with this blog and am truly blessed by it! Amen!
posted October 2, 2009 at 7:52 am
Let us help each and everyone make it home, no one deserves Hell!! Help get the Good News out Jesus loves me and you and you can come home, no matter where you are at.. or what you have done you can call on our Lord Jesus!
posted October 2, 2009 at 9:26 am
Love takes effort. Love ia a choice and it is controlled by the mind. Weak minds commit adultery. Love can be maintained through the Bible and its teachings. Yes, God does not want us bound to someone who does not love us. Therefore, HE gave us permission to divorce and free ourselves from a person who does or cannot love as HE commanded. I have divorced two adulterous husbands. I loved. They didn’t. Thank you, God, for giving me the choice.
posted October 2, 2009 at 10:35 am
To “Your Name” lol, I believe you have misquoted Jesus. In Matthew 5:31 Jesus said “It is said (Deuteronomy 24:1. He was quoting Scripture)but then he goes on to say “But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marred the divorcede woman commits adultery”. Please make sure you don’t take verses out of context to satisfy your thinking.
posted October 2, 2009 at 10:45 am
David Johnson I like the last thing you said…i totally agree with you
posted October 2, 2009 at 11:24 am
Eric
Thank you for your assessment. Thank you.
posted October 2, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Genesis 2:24. The man shall lie with his wife and the two shall become one flesh. This is pretty clear in this verse.Lying with someone who is not your wife clearly violates Scripture. This does not apply to me personally, but a brother in Christ was guilty of this and was forced to resign from several committees. His wife sent shock waves through our church. He has now repented and will most likely never break this commandment again.
posted October 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I have always belived strongly in the ten commandments and i have made three bad chioces in my past regarding marrige thus my three divorces which the theird on i am in the prosses of right now. My exes neather realy belived in god or the ten commandments they all had afairs one with my brother which they had a child together even thoug he say no not his all you have to do is look at a pitcher to now the truth. as for me i hold the ten commandments very close to my hart and although i did have the chance to have one as well my strength in god keep me true and the love of my wife. so to those who stay faithful i give a big thumbs up for your love of god and his laws.
posted October 3, 2009 at 1:17 am
Deb,im sorry if have misquoted what Jesus said about divorce.I don’t
wish to satisfy my way of thinking by my misenterpretation but why
should we make a great deal out of this issue,what the world needs is
love,a good love,God kind of love if it’s possible.Just keep loving,our heart will never grow tired of that thing,and leave all things to God,aren’t we serving a God that’s full of love?
posted October 3, 2009 at 4:43 am
I totally understand what you are saying. I myself was involved with a man that was married. I had always promised myself that I wouldn’t do that to another woman, but I had a period of weakness, and had lost my way. It was one of the biggest, hardest mistakes I have ever made. Even now 16 years later, I still don’t understand why I did it. I did love the man, or so I thought. It was the most disaterous relationship I have ever had. I believe that God put this person in my path to teach me a lesson, and to get me back into His world.It was my worst mistake, but my biggest life lesson. Now I make sure to include God in all of my decisions. He has given me the opportunity to write beautiful poetry. I never knew I could write until God allowed me to fall. I now have about 15 poem published now. I will leave you with the very first one I wrote. It speaks the whole truth.
“Friends Again”
Since I started talking to God again,
I have discovered a long lost friend.
As silent as He may be,
There is always a sign to see.
I had to wipe my eyes of the Devil,
And take myself back to God’s level.
Now I try to talk with Him each day,
Looking for the signs of His way.
Even if life begins to look dim,
I must remember to keep faith in Him!
posted October 3, 2009 at 6:37 am
I am going through a transformation. I was recently involved with a married guy. We were together for three years. He said that he love me and that he was going to marry me. For a while, I believed it. Time went on and my heart(Spirit) began to change. I began getting into the word more because I reconnected with God. It has been painful because I love him too. You can not serve two masters. God is faithful us even when we are not faithful to him. It is because I know He is truly faithful to me. It became easy to walk away from the married guy.
If we allow God to come into our life, then we will receive revelation for your life. This is my testimony. God bless!
posted October 3, 2009 at 10:05 am
Yes, it’s true! Adultery is a violation of GOD’s commandments, as well as a violation of a marriage vows. I was a victims of adultery, my husband being a womanizer. But since I firmly believe in that phrase “For better or for worse, until death do us part”, I am still married to him. I could call myself a martyr, and this is because of LOVE. But it’s not only because of “carnal love” as they say, but because of sacrificial love, isn’t this a form of great love? We have 3 grown up children and a grandson, and they are the reasons why we are still considered a family. We as people from SE ASIA, don’t really believe in divorce. The only reason i think why people from these countries divorced their spouses once they are cheated is because of pride, which is another form of sin. These are just my opinions. GOD BLESS EVERYONE…
posted October 3, 2009 at 10:15 am
but could it be possible that god knows and understands your bad situation & knows you’ve asked for help.that he has sent this other person to you in your time of need to help you with a safe way out for you and your children?specially if you have never cheated before and have prayed for help and all the sudden out of the blue this man contacts you with the means to help you.
posted October 3, 2009 at 10:27 am
What did Jesus say about homosexuality?
posted October 3, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I am Divorced now for 3 years. My husband was very abusive.But, with Aides out there, Adultry was the end. We didn’t sleep together anymore, and he controled money, everything.I was trapped, but I also believed in staying together for the kids. ? But, he ended up hurting us by planning to run off with the same woman he’d been with 13 years earlier, taking everything we had with him.I was devastated.I asked my sister who is more educaded about God and his word,( before he left ) what can God expect a person to do in a situation like this ? She simply said; ‘ God expects us to follow the laws of the land, as well as his laws.The laws of the land say that Adultry is grounds for Divorce !!! And as for the kids ? They now say we should’ve Divorced him a long time ago, and we’d be much better off than we are now. Lesson Learned.
posted October 3, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality. But I think He does expect them to keep the same laws of morality as heterosexuals. I have a son who is homosexual. Our church is soon to pass laws regarding church ordination and marriage. Love is love. How one physically expresses that is not as important as keeping the moral laws and to love deeply one’s life pardner. No fornication—and committement to a life pardner—the same as heteros. That’s my thinking.
posted October 3, 2009 at 1:09 pm
what does the BILBLE say lusting?
posted October 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm
The Bible is full of scripture related to homosexuality. First, let me say that God loves everyone….. God does not love the act. God has called same gender sex act an abomination and contrary to nature. Reference: Lev 18:2, Romans 1:24-27. 1Corthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10 ( there are aothers also). First you must beleive that the Word is true, because that is prerequisite to believing what the Word says… I can tell you what the words say all day, but unless you believe it’s true, it doesn’t matter. It has to be either all true or all false. It cannot be both. To be partly true requires that I disregard the validity of it all. If I do not beleive what part of it says, then I cannot say with confidence that God even exists. If his statements on proper conduct, so clearly expressed in scripture, are no longer valid, then I must admit that something as fundamental as salvation through faith in Christ is equally open to question. And if that is so, I have no foundation upon which to stand, no rock upon which to lean, no anchor to hold me secure. I must question not only if I have a savior, but if there is one, or if it even matters. Therefore the only option to me is to believe that He IS – all the word say He is ( as He proclaimed when He called himself I AM ), and that His Word is true.
posted October 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Well put CR. God/Jesus hate the sin, but love us because we are His creation. Homosexuality is a big debate and I do not except the type of lifestyle. We cannot use part of the Word for it to fit the situation and not use it all. A sin is a sin if it doesn’t line up with the Word of God.
If I had a child that is homosexual, I would love him/her, but would not except the lifestyle. For me to embrace it, is saying I agree with it. Sometimes we have to make tough decisions and the outcome is not to the liking of others. But, when you stand, believe and live what the Word of God says, there will be times when you will be alone.
Just remember, when it does happens, He will never leave you, or forsake you. So, He is there all the time and you will not be alone.
posted October 3, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Joy is letting her love for her son cloud her thinking so far as homosexuality is concerned. Check the bible a bit more closely and you will find things expressing Gods rebuke of such things. Start in Genesis……God created man and he was pleased but he also saw fit to create a partner for man and he created woman. I believe that alone shows what God expects regarding this subject.
posted October 4, 2009 at 12:00 am
I was eighteen, a virgin bride only twenty seven years ago..My husband was to be for life. He stepped out, broke my heart, and it ended. I gave my virginity, love and life to him for what in return. But, other love has come into my life, because I believe in Love. Trust your heart, love one another, but, be careful to whom you share yourself with. Take your time and really have fullfilling love for each other before you promise yourself to any one. God would want it this way, I believe.
posted October 4, 2009 at 12:45 am
am i commiting adultry or is she by haveing sex we are not just lusting to one another we are showing our love in a way that if we were married and met others and had sex would be called adultry , whoats the answer you have my e-mail address please answer me artie
posted October 4, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Isn’t sex with another person outside of marriage to THAT person adultry? From what I have read here…….it sounds as if adultry only pertains to married individuals.
I would sure appreciate an opinion on this. I have been divorced for 20 years and believe that I would be committing adultry if I were to have sex before marriage……is this not true?
posted October 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Trish, according to the Word, it is adultery for married people to have a sexual relarionship outside of their marriage. Read Matthews, what chapter, I can’t remember. It is important to study the Word for yourself. Sometimes, you can be mislead by people.
Fornication comes in when you are not married and have sexual contact before marriage. That is why He tells us, it is better to marry than to burn. Even though you have been divorced for 20 years, it is still a sin if you have a sexual relationship before marriage.
Seek God’s face, He will direct you in the right way. Talk to your Pastor or a person(s) who you believe is a real and true Christian.
I still say, read the Bible, any answers you need is in there.
posted October 5, 2009 at 7:37 am
What about “Emotional Affairs,” I saw a high school boyfriend from 20+ years ago. My spouse doesn’t believe we saw each other as friends. There was no physical contact. I’m SO grateful to the Lord that the friendship did not end up that way. My husband and I are currently seperated and woking on reconciliation. I had never heard of this term, until this occured. Anyone have any input?
posted October 6, 2009 at 7:55 am
God did not pose any restrictions as one man only to love one woman. Anyone can love any other. Mutual consent is a must. So, enjoy yourselves.
posted October 7, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Adultery is clearly laid out in religious terms in both the Old and New Testament as well as defined with in legal terms for divorce proceedings. I think anyone who has to tip toe around what it is must be feeling guilty. Better to ask for forgiveness from God and aknowledge you sinned.
People who commit adultery are selfish. Rationalizing it is wrong. There are plenty of single people out there. If you are unhappy in your marriage you should seek counseling or get a divorce before looking elsewhere.
posted October 8, 2009 at 12:46 am
my husband commit adultery, what shall i do to patch up our relationship
posted October 9, 2009 at 10:13 am
my husband is committing adultery,he decided to file for a divorce. which is fine with me, this is how i look at it god never intended me to stay in this painful relationship he has given me the strength to stand on my two feet.the thing is the women who is with him now, well she hasn’t caught on he has a few more that he has the nerve to keep showing to me driving by. this is my thought she will go through what i did maybe worst, i can’t say nothing to her we all know im the bad one here. even though i still dont have no one by choice! im strong enough to wait. what i find is sad is that no one really listens or pays attention. he just figures sence he has military training he can get away being cruel to humans and animals ( NO LAW COULD STOP HIM )some how he has showen that also to be true!!!
posted October 18, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Marriage is a sacred vow between two people. In the bible, it states, what brought them together, no one shall destroy. If the husband or wife has an affair, their is something wrong in their relationship to have that affair. Love is very powerful. Love should be trust, and
communication. The weak will be sucked into the den of evil. Only the devil can detroy people and things. The aftermath of destruction from evil is so devestating. There are rules and regulations no matter what we do, and also there are rules and regulations of man, that Jesus gave us. If we do not abide by these rules, and do not resist temptation, Jesus stated there are consequences. So whatever road one takes, evil or good, there are consequences to be paid.
posted October 27, 2009 at 9:20 am
I have bee doing research on all the sins of Galatians 5:19-21. The one sin that stands out is adultery. There are so many variations to it. Some say that you commit adultery by only having sexual intercourse with somebody other than your spouse. Does this mean if you have other sexual actions like a kiss that it is not adultery. Can you love 2 people? How do we know Jesus wasn’t talking about looking at another man woman in Mathew 5:28. The Old Testament talks about adultery can only be committed by a woman who has an affair outside her marriage. Or a man that has an affair with another man’s wife.
So what is adultery? What is the true meaning? Maybe the Holy Spirit is the only guidance you have with all these different translations of what it is.
The above article explains it best and that is the violation of love. Jesus is very clear about loving others and not breaking that bond.
posted November 5, 2009 at 1:19 pm
(1) Adultery is also when a man marries a divorced woman (Mathew 5).
(2) Adultery is also when the diorced woman whether its her fault or not marries another man.( Mathew 5 states: if a man divorces his wife unless for marital unfaithfulness CAUSES HER TO COMMIT ADULTERY)
(3) Adultery is also when a woman who caused the divorce by cheating on her husband marries another man. (Mathew 5)
posted April 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm
If we could only learn to love in our marriage as God has designed and as Christ loves the Church, Infidelity and divorce would not be an issue today. Unfortunately, the world with all its temptations (media, print, peer pressure, internet, etc.) keeps telling us we need and want more, better, and deserve greener grass.
Men traditionally have been the guilty party when speaking of infidelity, but shockingly, wife infidelity is on a rapid rise and sees no sign of slowing. Lookout men, 70 to 75% of divorces now are initiated by women actively involved in an extramarital relationship. Men are confused on how to hold the marriage together and our children are the real victims. We need to get back to real love in our families. And reject the self-serving philosophies of todays culture. Wake up world!
posted January 23, 2011 at 10:22 am
Okay, divorce is bad. Okay. But what is marraige anyway? Marraige in New Jersey is a piece of paper at the courthouse and $100 bucks or so. Catholics (like me) celebrate the ritual in the church before God, family and friends. Just about everyone on earth would agree marraige is somewhere between the two customs. So if you are a “courthouse marraige” person, there were no such things as marraiges before there were courthouses. If you are a “priest/minister marraige” person, then there were no marraiges before there was enough of a church to have a leader and record the marraiges. Adam and Eve weren’t married, and the first part of the list of names in the book of Genesis weren’t married. Any of them could have had a divorce and not be guilty of sin? How about the people married by sinner priests, child molesters who may not even believe in God. You know there have been religous leaders like that in the all the world’s churches. Any of the people married by them were’nt married????
I think I’d like a better understanding of marraige throughout the world and I’d like to offer one up here.
I think looking at divorce can shed some light on marraige. My ex cheated on me for three years before leaving and we got a divorce. I believe our marraige dissolved when she began cheating, and NOT when the courthouse registered the divorce. Likely when she first lusted after the airplane flight instructor she was seeing regularly. I believe from that moment, her love for him-divided us. I think maybe our marraige vows, taken in that small church, went up to heaven and were held like a promise and dwelt there until she fell in love with him. And then the promise simply dissolved-went away in God’s eyes. I dont think God thought of us as married during the three years it took me to find out and I don’t think God waited for the divorce paperwork to be notarized. If the promise that goes up to heaven to love honor and cherish in sickness and in health till death do you part is the marraige, well then okay, we can use the promise as the definition of marraige. That makes sense, cause those people in Genesis probably felt love for one another and meant to care for the other one their whole lives and the county courthouse doesn’t matter. If two people have in their heart of hearts, a true everlasting love, well then an evil priest cannot make the marraige less valid, because the priest isn’t part of the bond between spouses. It’s about love and a heart so in love, that you mean what you say in the vow with all your heart.
So then what about a man or a woman who says the words but doesn’t mean it? The married couple has the paper from the courthouse and maybe paid the priest the hundred or so dollars for the marraige ceremony. Are they married? It seems likely that God knows the promise is one-sided and the one spouse didn’t really mean it, in the same way God knows when you’re just reciting a prayer and don’t really mean it. The same way I think God doesn’t even hear the prayers you say when you’re just reciting the words while doing something else. I think God doesn’t hold that marraige promise in heaven because God knows its not true.
God knows all things. Period. I also believe God knew before me that my ex wife was going to cheat on me. That God knew that as I stood there promising with all my heart to love honor and cherish her till death did us part, that what I thought was a marraige, was a temporary thing, that I would be devoted to it, but that it would end just the way it did. I’m not sure God bothered to hold the marraige promise in heaven as a special sacred vow, knowing full well it was going to fail in the way and on the day it did. I think God takes your half of the promise and see’s how well you keep it and judges you on it at the end of your life. If I promised to love honor and cherish her with all my heart and then 7 years later I choose to cheat on my her, then I don’t think God punishes her for my choice. I don’t know if God counts her as having been married at all. If she promised and kept her word, then God uses that to judge her favorably at the end of her life. If you get married, you should keep your promise to your spouse out of kindness and love for him or her, but also for God’s sake becasue it’s God’s heart you break as well as your spouses.
One last thing. The whole “Love honor and cherish in sickness and in health till death do you part.” vow, I don’t think is violated only by lusting after another person or just by having physical relations with them although this is the most painful thing you could do. If you are speaking to your spouse or carrying on in the house in a way you wouldn’t have the week before the wedding… If you aren’t opening the door for her like you used to or not picking up after yourself like you used to before the wedding, please ask yourself is the new behavior proving your love for her, or showing that you honor her. Or maybe drinking and smashing holes in the wall shows you cherish her… Or maybe you two did some special vow thing where you listed you would make a ham sandwich for yourself and leave the rest of the ham out to spoil overnight in your vows. Maybe you listed lying and smoking Marijuana and getting arrested and hiding it from your wife in your vows.
See, I don’t think God bothers to hold marraige vows up in heaven for a couple like that. I think the space in heaven is far too precious to be taken up by promises made empty by ugly behaviour here on earth. Adultery is bad, but who amongst us is really married anyway?
posted November 11, 2011 at 3:37 am
AS YOU SAID ADULTERY IS SIN AND IT CAN’T BE FORGIVEN ,SO WHY HAS JESUS DIED FOR AND WHAT WAS HIS PURPOSE TO CAME TO EARTH.
WAIT FOR RESPONSE
HENRY