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         <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; "><font size="+2">A</font>lmighty and everlasting God, whose will it is to restore all things in your well-beloved Son, the King of kings and Lord of lords: Mercifully grant that the peoples of the earth, divided and enslaved by sin, may be freed and brought together under his most gracious rule; who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever. Amen.</span> 
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         <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Library.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Library.jpg" width="398" height="308" class="mt-image-right" style="float: right; margin: 0 0 20px 20px;" /></span>We will soon begin Saturday Afternoon Book Reviews, a new section at the Jesus Creed blog where we will have 3000 word reviews (1500 word summary; 1500 word interaction). Most of these will be written by you or by solicited reviewers.<div><br /></div><div>So, today I put forth this request: Which books would you like to see reviewed?&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>We can get a free copy of the book and send it on to the reviewer, but the question we have today is "Which books?"</div>
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         I'd like to announce a conference in London for all our European readers -- and for those who have the funds to fly off to London for what looks like a fantastic conference. It's called <a href="http://www.history.ac.uk/events/conferences/969">Christian Fundamentalism and British Evangelicalism: Exploring the Relationship</a>. Here's a brief clip from the website:<div><br /></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 16px; ">The Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism in Britain Project is hosting a one-day conference for scholars, ministers and the interested public at&nbsp;<strong style="padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">King's College Chapel, London, on Tuesday,15 December 2009.&nbsp;</strong>The conference will consider the ways in which Evangelicalism andFundamentalism have expressed themselves in the social and historical conditions of Britain and engage such questions as ...</span></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px;"><div><br /></div>Hope to hear good things about this conference. Great speakers -- McGrath, Holmes and Bebbington.<br /></span></font><div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div></div>
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         Every now and then I wander over to <b><a href="http://www.stevekmccoy.com/">Steve McCoy's photographs</a></b>, and I just love this one:<div><br />&nbsp; <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="SiloBlue.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/SiloBlue.jpg" width="498" height="239" class="mt-image-center" style="text-align: center; display: block; margin: 0 auto 20px;" /></span><div>Kris and I are in New Orleans at my annual academic meetings, but we found some links this week before we left ...</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34023406/ns/today-today_health/">No more burgers for me!</a> (HT: Laura)</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-111409-patrol-magazine-and-evangelicals-who-wont-get-over-it">iMonk</a> -- back at it, this time with someone else's words.</div><div><a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/11/orthodoxy-theological-maturity-and-the-development-of-doctrine-from-theological-dna-to-maturaty/">Michael Patton</a> -- maybe the most substantive post in the blog world I've seen this year.</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://thedigitalsanctuary.org/2009/11/14/5-trends-affecting-your-ministry-in-2010/">Cynthia Ware</a> on 5 trends now facing the church.</div><div><a href="http://karenzach.com/2009/ugly-up/">Palin and Ugly up-ping</a>.</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://gratefultothedead.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/phoebe-who-a-forgotten-woman-leader-at-the-root-of-the-pentecostal-tree/">Phoebe who? asks Chris Armstrong</a> -- a blog worth adding to your sidebar.</div><div><a href="http://daddyroblog.blogs.com/daddyroblog/2009/11/an-atheist-speaks-an-importanttruth.html">God what? ask Father Rob</a>.</div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0">Rick who?</a> don't ask me!</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6872519.ece">I may live forever</a> -- knock on wood. (HT: JC)</div><div><a href="http://www.faithandleadership.com/content/the-holiness-place">This idea is forever</a>.</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/zondervan-illustrated-bible-backgrounds-commentary/">Derek agrees</a>, and this second link to Derek is about <a href="http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/why-study-theology/">why we should study theology</a>.</div><div><a href="http://evotional.com/2009/11/unique-voiceprint.html">Mark Batterson</a> on the unique voiceprint: thoughts?</div><div><a href="http://markdroberts.com/?p=1015">Mark has a suggestion</a>.</div><div><a href="http://www.frame-poythress.org/frame_articles/2009Horton.htm">John Frame vs. Michael Horton</a>.</div><div><br /></div><div><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ysKAVyXi0J4&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ysKAVyXi0J4&amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;hl=en_US&amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"></object><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/13/online.church.services/index.html">This online church stuff isn't going away</a>: "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, Helvetica, Utkal, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px; ">In doing so, á Lava joined growing numbers of Christians worldwide who are migrating from the chapel to the computer. A map on the Church Online site showed users from 22 countries logged into a recent service."</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="arial, Helvetica, Utkal, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></font></div><div style="text-align: center;">Meanderings in the News</div><div><br /></div><div><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="JarsofClay.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/JarsofClay.jpg" width="216" height="216" class="mt-image-left" style="float: left; margin: 0 20px 20px 0;" /></span>1. <a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1934027_1934003_1933945,00.html">Top 50 Inventions in 2009</a>.</div><div>2. 10 days later: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/opinion/10brooks.html">Was David Brooks right</a>?</div><div>3. <a href="http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/cafestage/05-12-2009">Jars of Clay likes coffee</a>... hey, by the way, what songs of theirs are well-known? I've heard of them but I've never listened to them. (HT: BK)</div><div>4. Will <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/13/google.phone.service/index.html">Google</a> be our next major phone company?</div><div>5. Will <a href="http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16036/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=sFu8swYe">Google</a> be our next major publisher? <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2009/11/google_might_have_conceded_on.html">Or will it not</a>?</div><div>6. <a href="http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16032/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=93RDDiQe">This guy</a> gets distracted by a pelican, drops his cell phone, and off the road he goes ... but his car is ... well, way too valuable.</div><div>7. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111401147.html">Very sad</a> but we hope for change.</div><div>8. <a href="http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2009/11/08/news/srv0000006751542.txt">Defying the odds</a> ... quite the story. (HT: CAS)</div><div>9. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2235773/">New York</a>, the possible trials, and unease. <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmVjNmU5YmU3ZjYxYjNmNGRjN2E4MGExZmRlZTg2Nzc=">Thomas Sowell</a>, never one to soften the sound of his steps, lands hard on the trial in NYC.</div><div>10. Did you see the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/16/AR2009111602822.html?hpid=topnews">change in medical advice</a> about mammograms?</div><div><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;">Sports</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Who has some advice for Bears fans? We are in need of some winter wonder. We can't cheer for the Packers because ... well, they're the Packers. And we can't cheer for the Vikings because they've got a Packer QB. No one cheers for the Lions. Tough sledding. C'mon Spring Training. Hurry.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">How in the world did New England lose that football game to the Colts?</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Speaking of QBs, I want to <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-17-mitchell-nov17,0,1193797.column">thank Dan Grossman</a> for speaking up.</div></div>
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         <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="RobBell.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/RobBell.jpg" width="191" height="223" class="mt-image-right" style="float: right; margin: 0 0 20px 20px;" /></span> <div>Rob Bell, <a href="http://burnsidewriters.com/2009/11/19/rob-bell-2-0-or-where-are-the-artists/all/1/">in an interview with Burnside Writers</a>, suggests sermons could get better if they got shorter...</div><div><br /></div><div><b>Any response?</b></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 20px; "><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; "><strong style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; ">BWC: You've already explored the "high content, low word count" concept with your book Drops Like Stars, and it's clearly a big concern to you at the moment. What inspired this "endless evolution" you're referring to?</strong></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; "><strong style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; ">Bell:</strong>&nbsp;The first century rabbis were not praised for going on and on and on and on. Great rhetoric has never been about how many words one can fill the air with, it's always been about how clean and uncluttered and lean an idea can be articulated. It's always been the short, crisp parable that has infinite layers of meaning that knocks around your head for days. The idea that you have to go on and on to prove that you're smart, it's relatively new. Mark Twain said, "If I had more time, I would write a shorter letter."</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; ">I was working on a new book this morning, and about whole sections I said, "There's so much there that can go."</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; "><strong style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; ">BWC: Do you think the church as a whole is embracing a more streamlined approach to message delivery?</strong></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; padding-left: 0px; "><strong style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; ">Bell:</strong>&nbsp;I don't know if the future is in 17-minute worship services, but I think there is so much more clutter in the world: more advertising, just more. One of the ways you honor people's time is that you get to what you're saying quickly, and well. Maybe "quickly" isn't even the word. Maybe just "well"--well intentioned, thoughtfully. Distilling an idea down to what it is, making its access easier.</p></span></blockquote>
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         <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="8.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/8.jpg" width="92" height="100" class="mt-image-left" style="float: left; margin: 0 20px 20px 0;" /></span>Nightline's series on the Ten Commandments moves to the 8th Commandment: "Thou shalt not steal."<div><br /></div><div>The commandment, or more properly prohibition, is general enough in Exodus 20:15 to include both kidnapping and swiping what belongs to others. According to the experts, the 8th Commandment included the notion of stealth.&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>Clearly, there is a sense of the integrity and security of personal property in the 8th Commandment. But property is not enough: property involves the person. Not to steal is not only to respect ownership and to live within the rights of ownership, but it is to respect the person who owns something.</div><div><br /></div><div>Jesus, I would argue, ups the ante here. In Matthew 19:18-19 ("<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman', helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif; font-size: medium; "><span class="vref" style="font-weight: bold; ">19:18</span>&nbsp;"Which ones?" he asked. Jesus replied, "<b><i>Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,</i></b>&nbsp;<span class="vref" style="font-weight: bold; ">19:19</span>&nbsp;<b><i>honor your father and mother,</i></b>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<b><i>love your neighbor as yourself</i></b>.") Jesus shows that the second half of the Ten Commandments are connected to loving your neighbor as yourself.</span></div>
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</strong></em>.&nbsp;As I said Tuesday, this book touches on themes I discuss in more popular form in&nbsp;<em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310284880?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310284880">The Blue Parakeet: Rethinking How You Read the Bible</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0310284880" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />&nbsp;.</strong></em><div><b><i><br /></i></b></div><div><b><i>What do you think of Doriani's take on gambling? I wonder if the stock market, etc, are seen as gambling?<br /></i></b><div><div><br /></div>The first model was that of Walter Kaiser and he called his approach "principlizing" which moves from particulars to timeless principles back to particulars in a Ladder of Abstraction. The second approach comes from Daniel Doriani, who wrote a nice exposition of James, in what he calls the "redemptive-historical approach." He affirms the authority, sufficiency and clarity of Scripture.</div></div>
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recently went through her annual mammogram, the discovery of a change from last year with development of a cluster of microcalcifications, another mammogram and a consultation, and then a biopsy and a consultation with the radiologist to be given a
clean bill of health. Whew! As her husband, the days of praying and waiting and wondering
and worrying ... some ups and downs ... yes ... a normal pattern for those who first learn of
potential cancer. And wonderful relief to learn that she's fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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... maybe it was all for nothing. In fact, when Kris first read these reports she was not too happy. Are these doctors putting women through too much needless anxiety? Or, is this just a rogue report and finding?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:
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shifting in the testing of women with mammograms. Some are saying no need for
tests before 50; others are poo-poohing the idea that self-testing does much
good ... and this recalls a debate all the way to Congress about a decade ago.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
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telling us that mammograms aren't needed, and some pushback by saying insurance
companies don't want to pay the fees. Others are saying science is showing more
today and ... well, here's stuff from <i><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/17/AR2009111704197.html">The Washington Post.</a>..<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman', helvetica, hirakakupro-w3, osaka, 'ms pgothic', sans-serif"><i><b>What do you think about these changes? Any stories to tell?</b></i></font></p>

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         <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="JerusTem.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/JerusTem.jpg" width="471" height="225" class="mt-image-center" style="text-align: center; display: block; margin: 0 auto 20px;" /></span><div>What a fascinating set of issues arise in Derbe and Lystra. Jerusalem looms large on the horizon of church building in the Diaspora.</div><div><br /></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;">16:1 He also came to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple named Timothy was there, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but whose father was a Greek. 16:2 The brothers in Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. 16:3 Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him, and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was Greek. 16:4 As they went through the towns, they passed on the decrees that had been decided on by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the Gentile believers to obey. 16:5 So the churches were being strengthened in the faith and were increasing in number every day.</blockquote><br /><div>As we proceed, we are reading Beverly Gaventa, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/068705821X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=068705821X" style="text-decoration: underline; ">Acts Abingdon New Testament Commentaries</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=068705821X" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border-top-style: none !important; border-right-style: none !important; border-bottom-style: none !important; border-left-style: none !important; border-width: initial !important; border-color: initial !important; margin-top: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; " />&nbsp;</strong></em>, for her expert insights into the Book of Acts.</div>
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         <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; "></p><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Lawbook.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Lawbook.jpg" width="273" height="223" class="mt-image-right" style="float: right; margin: 0 0 20px 20px;" /></span><i>I announced last week that we are beginning a new series this week with David Opderbeck, a professor of law. He will educate us on law -- should be fun.</i><div><i><br /></i><div>What is "Law"?<p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; ">My question for the opening post in this series is <b>"what is 'Law'?"</b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; "><b>Here's the questions for this post: Which approach - formalism or realism - better accounts for "law" and for the role of "law" in society?&nbsp;&nbsp;As Christians living in a post-industrial, scientific, and/or postmodern age, are there approaches to "law" we can adopt without falling into either an extreme formalism or an extreme legal realism?</b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; ">Many people respond to this question with what legal scholars would call a "formalist" definition:<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><i>law is a set of rules or principles that govern behavior.</i><span><i>&nbsp;</i>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>This sort of definition raises important questions about the sources of "law" and the functions of a legal system.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.75em; margin-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 1em; font-weight: normal; ">In the Western tradition, "law" historically was rooted in metaphysics - for the Greeks, in the realm of pure thought (Plato's "forms"); for the Romans, in the divine authority of the Emperor; and for Christendom, in God, particularly as God's will was mediated through the Church, reason, and the King.<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>During the Enlightenment, "law" was still mostly conceived of in formalist terms, but the primary source of law became reason, or "Natural Law."<span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>This is why the Declaration of Independence grounds universal human rights in the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God."</p> </div></div>
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