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         <title>A Brother&apos;s Wisdom 85</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="JesusJames*.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/JesusJames%2A.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="291" width="343" /></span>  We turn to our last week on the book of James, which we have explored through the angle of it being the wisdom of Jesus' brother. Our next study will be on the Book of Acts, and we will be exploring Acts through the lens of missional praxis and theology. To facilitate that discussion, I recommend you purchase and read Beverly Gaventa, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/068705821X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=068705821X">The Acts of the Apostles (Abingdon New Testament Commentaries)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=068705821X" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" /></strong></em>. <br /><br />Now back to James. Some folks think James finishes off cleanly; I'm one of those who doesn't agree with that judgment. Instead, I think the book ends on various ideas, some of which bear slight resemblance to what precedes in the letter. Here are the last verses (5:13-20):<br /> <br /><blockquote>I<i>s anyone among you in trouble? Let them pray. Is anyone happy? Let them sing songs of praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to
pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make them well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so
that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful
and effective.<br /><br />Elijah was a human being, even as we are. He prayed earnestly that it
would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half
years. Again he prayed, and the heavens gave rain, and the earth produced its crops. <br /><br />My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring them back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the way of error will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.<br /></i></blockquote>Many suggestions of how these verses connect back to others are clever, some ingenious, but very few help us understand these verses unless we subsume them under those themes. James talks here about prayer and healing and welcoming back the wanderer.<br /><br />I like how James begins. It's as if he is saying "let's do things together or alike." Or, "let's be a fellowship." Or, "Let's share and care." If people are suffering, we care and carry. If people are joyous, let's share in their joy. So, if a person suffers -- that person should pray. If the person is joyous -- the person should sing songs of praise.<br /><br />What unites these folks, then, is that whether good or bad, sad or glad, they look to God -- in prayer or in praise. <br /><br /><br /><blockquote> </blockquote>]]></description>
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         <title>Marriage as Parable of Permanence 9 (Singleness)</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Singles.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Singles.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="136" width="262" /></span>In our last post in this series, John Piper has a chapter on singleness, and I didn't know what to expect. I say this for two reasons: some leaders in recent years have made some incredibly insensitive remarks about singleness and because I'm aware of the struggles so many have who don't want to be single. On top of this, culture has not made it a primary focus of our youth to pursue love and marriage. (More of that someday.) <br /><br />So, what does Piper say in his recent book, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1433507129?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1433507129">This Momentary Marriage: A Parable of Permanence</a></strong></em>?<br /><br /><b>Of course, I'm keen on hearing what singles have to say about this chp and how singles are experiencing the church today. And even having any image of "singles" can at times "define" some people in ways that are prejudicial ... but I risk that in order to get a conversation going here about singleness.</b><br /><br />Here's the theme: "God promises those of you who remain single in Christ blessings that are better than the blessings of marriage and children" (113). <br /><br />There are two major arguments in this chapter:<br /><br />First, Piper makes much of Isaiah 56:4-5, a majestic text where the prophet extols the inclusive grace of God, a grace that shows special promise to <b>eunuchs</b>, and takes this as a cipher for singleness (are eunuchs and "singles" the same?): <br /><br /><blockquote><i>Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, </i><br /><i>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people." </i><br /><i>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And let not any <b>eunuch</b> complain, </i><br /><i>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "I am only a dry tree.<br />For this is what the LORD says: </i><br /><p><i>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; who choose what pleases me <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and hold fast to my covenant- to them I will give within my temple and its walls <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a memorial and a name <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; better than sons and daughters; <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I will give them an everlasting name <br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that will not be cut off </i></p></blockquote> <br /><br />In a world shaped by marriage and procreation as the form of propagation of the seed of Abraham, this promise to eunuchs stands out. And what God promises is a blessing beyond what sons and daughters get. <br /><br />Second, Piper makes much again of the impermanence of marriage and the permanence of the church and this leads him to emphasize that singleness participates as much -- if not more -- in the church. Therefore, the single person can be dedicated to the church and can live for eternity as marrieds are called to do -- that life is the primary one. <br /><br />Why? Relationships in Christ are more permanent; marriage is temporary; faithfulness to Christ defines and transcends all other relationships; marriage doesn't.<br /><br />And within these is another point: the church is propagaged by spiritual rebirth and not by physical birth; this leads him to see a leveling of the playing field in Christ. (He thinks Paul himself was single, but that's not clear to me.)<br /><br />One more time: singleness in this chp is a special calling and has a special blessing.<br /><br />Piper has a second chp on singleness that emphasizes hospitality where he suggests that to the degree singles and marrieds mix reveals how committed that community is to kingdom ideals. Since we welcome one another as fellow disciples, we should reflect that universal community in our fellowship and hospitality.<br />]]></description>
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         <title>How Old is Evangelicalism? William Andrew Tooley</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<i>&nbsp;</i><b style="">How Old Is Evangelicalism?<span style="">&nbsp; </span>
Andrew Tooley<br /><br /></b>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i>There is a dustup these days about the origins
of evangelicalism: is it to be traced to the Reformation or to the 18th
Century? (Never mind that many just say it goes back to the New
Testament itself!)<span style="">&nbsp;
</span>Andy Tooley, a friend of ours and this blog, is a student of
David Bebbington, who is Britain's leading light on the history of
evangelicalism, and currently works for the Institute for the Study of
American Evangelicals at Wheaton College. He wrote a niece piece on evangelicalism and emerging (<a href="http://www.catalystresources.org/issues/341Tooley.htm"><b>link here</b></a>). Bebbington anchors
evangelicalism (as we now know it) in the 18th Century where some major
influences reshaped Protestantism. Recently some scholars put
Bebbington's theories to the test. Thanks to Andy for this post.</i><br />
<span style="">&nbsp;</span><br />
In a recent review of Michael Haykin and Ken Stewart's edited volume
entitled The Advent of Evangelicalism, editor at large <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/juneweb-only/126-12.0.html?start=1">Collin Hansen at <i>Christianity Today</i></a> rightly observes that some sixteen authors
discuss several problems with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bebbington">David Bebbington's</a> descriptive framework in the
book.<span style="">&nbsp;</span><span style=""> </span>What Hansen does not point out,
however, is that <i>nearly all of the contributors end their examinations
by confirming the relative soundness of the quadrilateral and, most
importantly, affirming Bebbington's thesis that evangelicalism was a
new movement that emerged in the eighteenth-century.<span style="">&nbsp; </span></i>
[The now well-known Bebbington quadrilateral is that evangelicalism is
characterized by Bible, cross, conversion, and active Christian living.]<br />
<span style="">&nbsp;</span><br />
<span style=""></span>Interestingly, and revealingly, Hansen also chooses to grant authority
to a contributor who is not widely recognized to be an expert on the
topic on which he has chosen to write. 


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<!--StartFragment--><font style="font-size: 0.64em;"><font style="font-size: 0.8em;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"><font style="font-size: 0.8em;">He then incorrectly suggests
that this contributor makes the strongest argument as to why evangelicalism is
not an eighteenth-century innovation</font>.</span>
<span style="">&nbsp;
</span></font>Hansen emphasizes this, I believe, because both he and this
contributor are interested in shoring up Reformed theology and a
particular type of Reformed Evangelicalism, a trait they share with the
editors of the book.</font><!--EndFragment--></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style=""></span>In the penultimate
paragraph of Hansen's review he lists a series of "ifs" with which I
disagree. Why is Evangelicalism less credible <i>if it </i>is not completely
rooted in the Reformation?<span style="">&nbsp;
</span>Why also is it less credible <i>if it </i>happens to be more deeply
rooted in the various Enlightenment movements of the 18th century than
one would like or have thought?<span style="">&nbsp;
</span>Perhaps my failure to agree with Hansen on these "what if"
scenarios stems from my belief that the mixing of culture, in this case
the English and Scottish enlightenments, with Christian belief and
practice is not only inevitable, but it possesses the potential to
bring vitality to Christianity. <br />
<span style=""></span><br /></p><p class="x_MsoNormal">And I believe this mixture that characterized the emergence of Evangelicalism during the Great Awakenings of the 18<sup>th</sup> century did indeed bring a new vitality to Protestant Christianity as it became much more focused on activism through
 a devotion to missions.</p><p class="x_MsoNormal">There is, of course, much more to be said, but Hansen's review presents its readers with an incorrect picture of Evangelicalism and the dangers facing it if it is indeed an 18th Century innovation.<br /></p><p class="x_MsoNormal"><br /></p><!--EndFragment-->
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Walton.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Walton.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="304" width="239" /></span>We at the Jesus Creed blog, both Scot and RJS, are inviting one and all to enter into a conversation and discussion about John Walton's (professor at Wheaton) new book, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830837043?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0830837043">The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate</a></strong></em>. <br /><br />We will begin this discussion <b>at the end of July</b>. You've got plenty of time to get the book and begin reading it. <br /><br />This book promises to keep evangelicals and scientists and ancient historians engaged the whole time ... <br /><br />Join us!<br />]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<font size="+2">O</font> Lord, mercifully receive the prayers of your
people who call upon you, and grant that they may know and understand
what things they ought to do, and also may have grace and power
faithfully to accomplish them; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives
and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, now and for ever.
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         <title>Obama and the Pope - on abortion</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="ObamPope.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/ObamPope.jpg" class="mt-image-left" style="margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt; float: left;" height="224" width="325" /></span>Yesterday President Obama and Pope Benedict XVI met and discussed, among other things, ethical concerns like abortion. Below is an extract from <a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/godingovernment/2009/07/pope_and_president_on_abortion.html"><b>Newsweek</b></a>. I hope the Pope pressed him on two things: (1) that talking about reducing either the need for or number of abortions can be measured -- is it happening? and (2) that Obama's personal view that it is wrong and his political support are not consistent for a Christian.<br /><br /><blockquote><i>Obama's assurance to the pope that he would read the Vatican
document on bioethics ... on the plane to Africa. <a href="http://www.usccb.org/comm/Dignitaspersonae/Dignitas_Personae.pdf">"Dignitas Personae"</a> (dignity of a person) condemns abortion, artificial fertilization and embryonic stem-cell research. </i><p><br /></p><p><i>"He sure seems to signal to the Vatican that they are going to attend and listen" on these issues, said Schneck. </i></p><p><i>It was a far different picture of Obama's relationship with
Catholics than before his speech/honorary degree at the University of
Notre Dame commencement, when more than 60 bishops wrote letters
objecting to the event and Catholic protesters turned the area around
Notre Dame into a circus. </i></p><i>"What a long way we have come in two months," said Schneck. He
predicts we'll see a "pragmatic, businesslike and cordial" relationship
between the Vatican and Obama--unlike relations between Obama and some
American Catholics.</i><br /><br /></blockquote><a href="http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/does-obama-have-a-friend-in-the-vatican/">NYTimes pieces on this topic</a>.<br /><blockquote></blockquote> 



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         <description><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: center;">Picking the very best of this week's stories for you!<br /><br /></div><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Ostriches.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Ostriches.jpg" class="mt-image-center" style="margin: 0pt auto 20px; text-align: center; display: block;" height="224" width="499" /></span><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/07/02/sears.family.divorce/index.html">A Judge questions the no-fault divorce</a> policy and wants to do something about it. <a href="http://karenzach.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/pray-for-poe/">A writer questions the sanity of her dog </a>and has done something about it. <a href="http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2009/07/sarah_palin_andrew_sullivans_p.html">Christine questions Andrew Sullivan's criticisms of Sarah Palin</a> and does something about it. <a href="http://karenzach.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/truth-or-fiction-robert-mcnamara/">Her father was killed in Viet Nam</a> and this stuff is deeply personal. <a href="http://vanguardchurch.blogspot.com/2009/07/get-free-review-copy-of-gospel-centered.html">Gospel -- and an offer</a>. <a href="http://markdroberts.com/?p=893">Missional thinking </a>and someone who is doing something about it.<br /><br />Frank Beckwith explains t<a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/julyweb-only/127-53.0.html?start=1">he Pope's newest encyclical</a>, and we will be having a conversation about it on this blog soon.<br /><br /><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="MarkTwain.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/MarkTwain.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="264" width="216" /></span>I'm a huge fan of Mark Twain, and here's my request for you to <a href="http://www.wgem.com/global/story.asp?s=10648633">drop a donation</a> to the preservation of his <a href="http://www.marktwainmuseum.org/">Boyhood Home and Museum</a>.<br /><br />I'm seeing much <a href="http://www.madison.com/tct/news/457520">more of this too</a>. Sometimes at the point of hubris.<br /><br />I hope more churches will commit to doing a series like <a href="http://www.dankimball.com/vintage_faith/2009/07/summer-at-vintage-faith-church.html">this one at Vintage Church</a>. (via Twitter) <a href="http://mycontemplations.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/extreme-fundamentalism-and-extreme-relativism/">Cobus</a> compares extremes. (via Twitter) Great image from <a href="http://renovatechurch.blogspot.com/2009/07/hearing-music.html">Dave Diller </a>at Renovate. (via Twitter)<br /><br />Tweet of the Week (from Tom Ward): "Once heard a preacher say that a sleepless night is a call to prayer. Sometimes a sleepless night is a reminder to order decaf next time."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/">Codex Sinaiticus online</a>. <a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paabo09/paabo09_index.html">Ancient genome mapping</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/07/06/explicit.iphone.apps/index.html">Open source implications</a>. <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/first-second-and-third-thoughts-on-the-cstone-09-gay-rights-and-wrongs-panel">Future implications</a> with the iMonk. <a href="http://jibstay.blogspot.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-sacred-space.html">Sacred space implications</a>. <a href="http://livelydust.blogspot.com/2009/07/review-secrets-to-happiness.html">Unfazed implications</a>. <a href="http://stackblog.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/facebook-worse-than-a-waste-of-time-but-with-photos/">FB implications</a>. <a href="http://www.tgdarkly.com/blog/?p=863">Slavery's implications</a>.<a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paabo09/paabo09_index.html"></a><br /><br />1. <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/07/04/journalistic-narcissism/">Journalism and narcissism</a>. (HT: cas)<br />2. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/06/snoring.sleep.apnea.help/index.html">Ubersnoring</a>.<br />3. <a href="http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#1HWBWQ/www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/google-drops-bomb-its-own-operating-system/">Google's Chrome OS</a> ... does this have promise for Macs or are we still ahead of the crowd?<br /><br /><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Frapp.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Frapp.jpg" class="mt-image-left" style="margin: 0pt 20px 20px 0pt; float: left;" height="281" width="166" /></span>4. The <a href="http://health.msn.com/nutrition/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100241048&amp;page=1">worst drinks</a> for your health. (HT: MV via Twitter)<br />5. What explains this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/opinion/08dowd.html?em">relentless criticism of Palin</a> by Maureen Dowd?<br />6. Then compare Dowd with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html?em">the brilliance of Brooks</a>. That guy knows how to offer social commentary.<br />7. <a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2009/06/should_schools_celebrate_musli/all.html">Should we celebrate Muslim holidays</a>? I like Leith Anderson's comments.<br />8. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05kristof.html?em">The best books for kids</a>: Nicholas Kristof.<br />9. The Bush Doctrine vs. The Obama Doctrine:<a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzIxN2VjYjhjZTMzMGM4OTdjNTI4ODM5ZmJlOWE1NmI="> Jonah Goldberg</a> heats up.<br />10. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html?em">Justice Ginsburg</a>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;">Sports<br /><br />We were here yesterday!<br /></div><br /><span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="WrigleyField!.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/WrigleyField%21.jpg" class="mt-image-center" style="margin: 0pt auto 20px; text-align: center; display: block;" height="299" width="410" /></span>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="PrayerCandle.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/PrayerCandle.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="272" width="264" /></span><br /><i>This was the prayer for the morning prayers in Phyllis Tickle's <b>Divine Hours</b>, originally in <b>The Book of Common Prayer:<br /><br /></b></i>O God, you have taught me to keep all your commandments by loving you and
my neighbor: Grant me the grace of your Holy Spirit, that I may be devoted to
you with my whole heart, and united to others with pure affection; through
Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one
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         <description><![CDATA[<i>This Friday is for Friends post is from our long-time blog friend, "T," the one who once won a contest on this blog in which we gave away a pair of crocs. T, you still wearing them? <b>By the way, we are always looking for more submissions for our Friday is for Friends slot. I get lots of notes from folks who appreciate this open forum for our readers. </b><br /><br /></i>People familiar
with John Wimber and/or the Vineyard will know <a href="http://www.doin-the-stuff.com/whois.htm">what
"Doin' the stuff" refers to</a>.&nbsp; And if you&nbsp;want a
good intro to 'missional' thinking, go <a href="http://missionalorder.com/">here</a>&nbsp;or <a href="http://www.friendofmissional.org/">here</a>.&nbsp;
But what does "missional" have to do with "doin' the stuff"
that Jesus was known for?&nbsp; Towards that question I want to throw a few
ideas for folks in both camps to think about, because I think that the
missional movement and doin' the stuff could be a match made in heaven--and
earth. It's also why I have Wimber's Prayer Model as a tab on this blog,
because I think routinely praying for people who are sick, both with the
compassion of Jesus and the power and insight of the Spirit, is a pretty
missional habit to pick up.<br /><br /><b>T asks this question of us: Is being "missional" much easier to say than to do? And what do we really mean when we say we are being "missional" like Jesus?</b>&nbsp; <br /><br />Some specific thoughts:<br /><br /> <br /><ul><li>Much is made in missional circles
     about incarnating Christ, about being Christ, imitating him,&nbsp;right
     where we are.&nbsp; Amen to that!&nbsp; It is difficult to talk honestly,
     though,&nbsp;absent some thick&nbsp;protective theological/western glasses
     on, about incarnating the Jesus of the NT, about being sent by Jesus as
     Jesus was sent by the Father, without talking--a lot--about healing the
     sick, casting out demons and having prophetic insights as we announce his
     reign--wherever we are.&nbsp; As Wimber's doin-the-stuff story makes
     painfully clear, only someone with theological training and/or church
     experience would read the NT and think Jesus' disciples <i>don't</i> do
     that kind of stuff as they embody and announce him to others.</li></ul><br /><ul><li><b>Do we
     in the missional movement&nbsp;really want to try to&nbsp;embody Christ to
     the broken people of the world,&nbsp;say we're his apprentices,&nbsp;and
     announce&nbsp;that he is Lord above all powers&nbsp;<i style="">without</i> the kind of actions that pretty much defined Jesus'
     own ministry and signaled the power and character of his reign?</b></li></ul><b><br /></b><ul><li>As much as the Vineyard become
     famous/infamous for some amazing 'stuff' that God would do through
     seemingly anyone in their meetings, the meetings weren't Wimber's focus.&nbsp;
     He was disappointed that the Vineyard Movement, in his words,&nbsp;'never
     became the evangelistic movement that [he] hoped' for.&nbsp; Ironically,
     those in the missional movement now are motivated by the same desire
     Wimber had&nbsp;to bring Jesus to 'the streets', to everyday life and
     relationships,&nbsp;not just 'the meetings.'
</li></ul><br /><ul><li>Many folks have rightly pointed out
     the similarities the missional movement has with Anabaptists.&nbsp; Well, if it makes anyone feel any
     better, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptist#Spirituality">Anabaptists
     were doin' this stuff in spades at their inception</a>, but eventually
     stopped, which is a surprisingly common tale for western denominations as
     the Enlightenment and natural human tendencies took hold.</li></ul><br />
<ul><li>Another valuable and obvious strand
     within the 'missional' movement is the conviction&nbsp;that the Church in
     the&nbsp;West needs&nbsp;to take the stance or mentality of missionaries
     within a post-Christian/pagan/secular culture.&nbsp; Again, amen to
     that.&nbsp; If we analyze, though,&nbsp;not only Jesus' own actions as he
     pursued God's mission, but also the initial missionaries that he sent out,
     we are again confronted with the role that healing, demonic expulsion and
     the prophetic gifts have in that work.&nbsp; Indeed, even&nbsp;in today's
     world, such activity is more common in missionary work than in established
     churches. <br /></li></ul><br /><ul><li>Another mark of the missional
     movement is the shift in thinking about the gospel toward the proclamation
     of Jesus' reign or lordship, over all other powers, about the dawning of
     the new age amidst the old through the cross and resurrection.&nbsp; <a href="http://vimeo.com/2480503">Dave Fitch has
     argued</a> with many others that in response to this gospel that
     missional orders must take on practices of resistance (to the judged but
     operating&nbsp;powers) and practices&nbsp;of engagement that reveal and
     embody the purposes of the reign of God.&nbsp; Again, can we faithfully
     talk about either--as <i>Jesus'</i>&nbsp;disciples--without talking about
     healing and demonic expulsion?</li></ul><br /><ul><li>One of the 'powers' that the
     missional movement has rightfully identified for resistance is the
     Gnosticism that continues to try to drive a wedge between the Church's
     work and ministry and the good of the&nbsp;physical world.&nbsp; Another amen!
     (and I really mean it!) Nowhere is the western Church more Gnostic,
     though,&nbsp;than its discomfort with the practice of divine healing of
     the body.&nbsp; In common western theology, the human body gets thrown in
     the same disdainful&nbsp;category as the rest of creation--good for
     nothing but the fire that's a 'comin.&nbsp; Is that what we believe God's
     posture is to the physical body and the rest of the physical creation?&nbsp; No. God wants to heal both.</li></ul><br /><ul><li>Many folks in the missional camp are
     extremely offended by the 'big-show/big-star-religion' that seems to
     plague the only (modern)&nbsp;'healing ministries' they've ever
     seen.&nbsp; Ditto.&nbsp; But as Todd Hunter has said, the answer to
     wrong-use isn't no-use, it's right-use.&nbsp; Missional churches have
     recognized, as have many in the Christian tradition, that power of any
     kind can be corruptive to one's soul.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2010:17-20;&amp;version=77;">Unfortunately, being used as a vehicle of God's power
     to heal or expel demons, for instance,&nbsp;is no different</a>.&nbsp;
     Missional churches, while just as human as any, because of their awareness
     of and&nbsp;intentional practices&nbsp;against being corrupted by various
     kinds of power that we must use in our lives and mission, are in a
     position to minimize corruption as they still actively&nbsp;seek God's
     power to help others, rather than take a practical 'vow' against it in
     false piety.
</li></ul><br />
Now, I'm not
saying that healing and expelling demons is all there is or should be to a
missional church, regardless of how much it marked Jesus' life.&nbsp; On the
contrary, I wholeheartedly believe that we still must pursue love as our
highest goal, and that other practices towards those ends must be
primary.&nbsp; We must become different as a matter of character, for the sake
of God and others, first and foremost.&nbsp; But just as we in the missional
movement are seeking to reclaim those aspects of Jesus' teachings that have
been too often avoided in the West, especially regarding money, community and
discipleship, we must also ask if we are doing the same regarding his example
and teachings&nbsp;to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons, that
was so&nbsp;central to Jesus' own&nbsp;missionary work&nbsp;and that of his
initial missionaries as they declared that his reign was at hand.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
<br /><br />I'll post
some&nbsp;practical, non-hypey&nbsp;resources about&nbsp;actually doing this
kind of stuff soon, within a larger missional priority structure and
posture.&nbsp; As always, your feedback is welcome, including
the&nbsp;"you're crazy and a heretic!" variety.&nbsp; If you want
another blog from me on this issue, but from a different angle, go <a href="http://gettingfree.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/more-than-compassion/">here</a>.<br /><br /><o:p></o:p>

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         <description><![CDATA[ <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="WeddingRing.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/WeddingRing.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="310" width="239" /></span>We are discussing marriage by examining the recent book of John Piper's called <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1433507129?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1433507129">This Momentary Marriage: A Parable of Permanence</a>. </strong><br /></em><br />What then about this "submissiveness" that is so emphatic in Piper's complementarian approach to reading the roles of husbands and wives? <br /><br />Piper begins with 1 Peter 3 and finds four characteristics of biblical women: they hope in God, they are fearless about the future, they have an inner adornment, and they are submissive.<br /><br />What submission is not according to Piper:<br /><br />1. It does not mean agreeing with everything yoru husband says.<br />2. It does not mean leaving your brain or your will at the wedding altar.<br />3. It does not mean avoiding every effort to change a husband.<br />4. It does not mean putting the will of a husband before the will of Christ. "Submission to Jesus relativizes submission to husbands" (100).<br />5. It does not mean that a wife gets her personal, spiritual strength through her husband.<br />6. It does not mean she is to act out of fear.<br /><br />What is it?<br />

 <br /><br />It is to honor and affirm her husband's leadership and help carry it through according to her gifts. "It's the disposition to follow a husband's authority [new word so far as I can see], and an inclination to yield to his leadership" (101).<br />]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Francis_Collins_pic.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Francis_Collins_pic.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" width="100" height="124" /></span><p style="text-align: justify;">For those who don't follow such news with bated breath - President Obama has nominated Francis Collins to head up the NIH (National Institutes of Health).&nbsp; This is, in my opinion, a great choice.&nbsp; He is an accomplished scientist and administrator.&nbsp; You can see the NY Times article here: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/health/policy/09nih.html?hpw">Pick to Lead Health Agency Draws Praise and Some Concern</a>. (Photo to right from <a href="http://biologos.org/">BioLogos Site</a>.)<br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;">I've been following some of the discussion over the last several months as the prospect of Collins's selection has been a matter of gossip and speculation.&nbsp; I have no NIH funding, the research we do is not sufficiently closely tied to human health concerns, although I have had NIH funding in the past.&nbsp; So my interest is indirect - anything good for science is good for all science on some level.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">I think that the concerns expressed in the article over the hype of the Human Genome Project and its lack of success (on which the jury will be out for a long while yet) is a red herring. Hype is common in science and all of his critics know it and practice it themselves.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">But of course Collins is drawing attention for other reasons as well -
most significantly his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FLanguage-God-Scientist-Presents-Evidence%2Fdp%2FB0012F7VFE%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1204551114%26sr%3D1-1&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325">The Language of God</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important; display: none;" width="1" border="0" height="1" /> and his outspoken Christian
stand.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>I find it interesting that there are a few
different concerns common around the web</b></i>.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;">Some - a relatively small number &nbsp;- hold that religion is fundamentally inconsistent with good thinking and thus anyone who holds to a religious belief is suspect for fuzzy brain.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">Some fear that religious belief --&gt; theocracy ---&gt; undermines freedom, democracy, good science.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">Some fear that appointing him, no matter how good he is, will lend credence to faith as a valid option!</p><p style="text-align: justify;">Some fear that appointing him will mislead our youth into thinking that evolution is consistent with faith (from the evangelical side).</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>I will avoid quoting from blogs and comments on articles here </b></i>- but I expect the conversation will become rather heated in some arenas.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">What gets me is the suggestion by some that his "Biologos foundation" because
it seeks to promote a synthesis of science and faith is a conflict of
interest - an "unwanted incursion of religion into the public sphere."&nbsp;
I also think it interesting that Collins has been an Obama supporter
for quite awhile, yet appointing him raises fears of a return of "the
theocracy of George W. Bush" and a cave-in to the religious right.</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>What do you think?</b></i><br /></p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="Paul.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/Paul.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="251" width="251" /></span>Now we turn to commentaries on Colossians in our ongoing series on commentaries. And once again, speak up if you think a commentary deserves mention.<br /><br />I taught Colossians for years, used a commentary I really liked, and so I still turn first to Peter O'Brien, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0849902436?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0849902436">Word Biblical Commentary Vol. 44, Colossians-Philemon</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0849902436" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" /></strong></em>. Exegetically rigorous and theologically sensitive.

<br /><br />Then I turn to my teacher and former colleague's commentary, though it is nearly entirely constrained by syntax and grammar. Murray Harris, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080280375X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=080280375X">Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: Colossians and Philemon</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=080280375X" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" /></strong></em>. If you can read this commentary and understand what he is saying, you are educated in exegesis. <br /><br />Then I turn to James D.G. Dunn, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802824412?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802824412">The Epistles to the Colossians and to Philemon: A Commentary on the Greek Text (New International Greek Testament Commentary)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0802824412" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" />
</strong></em>. As always, rigorous, creative, and theologically suggestive. 

<br /><br />Also now to brand new commentaries by Marianne Meye Thompson, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802827152?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802827152">Colossians and Philemon (Two Horizons Commentary)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0802827152" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" />
</strong></em>,&nbsp; Jerry L. Sumney, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0664221424?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0664221424">Colossians: A Commentary (New Testament Library)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0664221424" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" /> </strong></em>and Doug Moo, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802837271?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802837271">The Letters to the Colossians and to Philemon (Pillar New Testament Commentary)</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0802837271" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" />
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="JesusJames*.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/JesusJames%2A.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="291" width="343" /></span>Out of nowhere James says this in James 5:12:<br /><blockquote><br /><i>Above all, my brothers, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by
anything else. Let your "Yes" be yes, and your "No," no, or you will be
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He has virtually quoted Jesus here. Here are the words of Jesus from Matthew 5:33-37:<br /><blockquote><sup><br /></sup>Again, you
have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your
oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.<br /></blockquote>There are differences between the two, but the similarities are so strong one has to see James as dependent upon his older brother.<br /> <br /><br />But the odd thing is "Above all." Why would not swearing and why would honestly now all of a sudden take the front row seat in James' ethical vision? Yes, James does speak often about speech patterns; yes, this verse can be connected to that. But this verse is not about "how to speak with one another" but about legal oaths. Many (Mussner, John White, Moo) that this "above all" is a near equivalent with "finally" or even "before I forget."&nbsp; Not taking oaths cannot be the most important principle in ethics, for James has given that to loving the neighbor (cf 1:25; 2:8-10).<br /><br />However you take that expression, the point is the same: tell the truth, whether in court or anywhere else. There's an anabaptist simplicity here about how to speak: tell the truth.<br />]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="100_4122ds.JPG" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/100_4122ds.JPG" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" width="306" height="230" /></span><p style="text-align: justify;">Over the last year or so I've written a number of posts that have reflected on various aspects of the intersection of science and faith.&nbsp; These are issues and questions that I've thought about and wrestled with most of my adult life. How should we interpret Genesis or Romans? What does it mean to claim that scripture is inspired? How much of Genesis is historical? Does it matter that Paul thought that Adam and Eve were unique individuals, if he did? How can we reconcile evolution with creation by God? Should we try? Is there room for chance in the universe? How can we reconcile the evidence for common descent with Adam and Eve and Original Sin?&nbsp; I could go on - but you get the idea. <br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;">These kinds of questions have been faced by many Christians over the last hundred years or so - often times contributing to a loss of faith, other times to a withdrawal, or to the development of an ironic faith. See Scot's book <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1602581622?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1602581622">Finding Faith, Losing Faith: Stories of Conversion and Apostasy</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1602581622" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important; display: none;" width="1" border="0" height="1" /> </strong></em> or his CT article on <i><b><a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/2008/09/ironic-faith.html">ironic faith</a></b></i> for more on these paths.&nbsp; These are deep questions, how we deal with them has serious ramifications - and the questions are not going to go away.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">I have a simple question I would like to pose today:</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>What is the correct pastoral approach to the issues that arise at the intersection of science and faith?</b></i></p> <br />
<p style="text-align: justify;">As we've been thinking through these
ideas at the intersection of science and faith I have been persistent that the evidence for an old earth and an
older universe is overwhelming - there is no room for doubt here. More
significantly I have tried to explain why I find the evidence for
evolution and common descent persuasive, and why the idea of a literal
Adam and Eve seems difficult to reconcile with the data.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">In putting forth my ideas and thoughts I have been more blunt and more honest than is my usual habit.&nbsp; I have found it useful, as I have learned quite a bit through writing these posts and through the conversation that results.&nbsp; Some of the posts and comments reflect "thinking in public" more than firm preconviction.<br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>But this blog is a public forum. </b></i>Anyone can read and anyone can contribute to the conversation (well - as long as they remain civil and on topic). This conversation can help those who have questions and doubts, especially those who cannot find a space for safe conversation off-line.&nbsp; On the other hand it can challenge the faith of some who might never have needed to confront these issues and question. There is potential for doing good - and there is potential for doing harm.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">I am interested in what you think - especially those who are pastors, youth workers, involved in University ministries and such. <br /></p><p style="text-align: justify;"><i><b>What is the best pastoral approach to these questions? Should we be more concerned with potential harm or potential good?</b></i></p><p style="text-align: justify;">If you wish to contact me directly you may do so at rjs4mail [at] att.net. </p><p style="text-align: justify;"><br /></p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[ <span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="WeddingRing.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/WeddingRing.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="310" width="239" /></span>We are discussing marriage by examining the recent book of John Piper's called <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1433507129?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1433507129">This Momentary Marriage: A Parable of Permanence</a>. </strong><br /></em>

<br />If you know the debates today among (mostly) evangelicals -- I don't know this debate outside that circle, you know there is a debate between complementarians and egalitarians, though I think the word "egalitarian" is slippery and derivative more from modernist theories of equality and justice than from either biblical teaching or theological perceptions. As I state in my book, <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310284880?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=jescre-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0310284880">The Blue Parakeet: Rethinking How You Read the Bible</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=jescre-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0310284880" alt="" style="border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important;" border="0" height="1" width="1" />
</strong></em>, I prefer the term "mutuality."<br /><br />Piper doesn't. He's perhaps the leading voice in the complementarian group, and he has two chps in this book on male headship and another chapter on the wife's submission. Some of you are snarling now. Some of you are suspicious of what I might say. I hope both you, and others, keep reading.<br /><br />Once again, here is the passage: Ephesians 5:21ff<br /> <br /><br /><blockquote><i>Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. <b>Wives</b>, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. <b>Husbands</b>, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church.However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.<br /></i></blockquote>

What does Piper say then? Here are his major points:<br /><br />1. In Paul's mystery, the man mirrors Christ and the woman the Church. Christ, he suggests, is both lionhearted and lamblike. Marriage must be understood as an image of the relationship of Christ and the Church. <br /><br />2. The one <i>flesh</i> of husband-wife mirrors the one <i>body</i> of Christ-Church. I'd like him to have explored what "oneness" means here: is it functionality they are one or is it relationality? Is it being or is it perichoresis? What does "one" mean here?<br /><br />3. This leads him to the distinguishable "roles" of husbands and wives. Which leads him to critique egalitarians, though I'm not sure who he has in mind since he gives no names and no literature and no references. His definition leaves more than lots to be desired for it is incomplete as it is unfair. Who are the egalitarians? His words: "the ones who reject the idea that men are called to be leaders in the home" (77). Point: this is not how to define your enemies. He's defined them by what he dislikes or by what he thinks is wrong from his angle of what is right. Why not, I want to ask, let them define what they think? They put, he says, all the emphasis on "mutual submission" of vs. 21. Do they? Yes, they will note that -- as I would too. V. 22 depends for the word "submit" on v. 21. There is no paragraph break at 22. V. 22 flows out of v. 21. But, is that where the so-defined egalitarians put their emphasis? No. They put it on love and on loving sacrifice of one another, and they also tend to downplay the appropriateness of the word "role." (By the way, I just read the section on this passage in IVP's Ancient Christian Commentary on the New Testament, and the emphasis is on sacrificial love for the excerpts taken and there is precious little on role. Read it for yourself.) Egalitarians, he claims, seem to stop with mutual submission and fall shy of defining roles and the distinctions between husbands and wives. This may be true of some, but I don't think it is fair to see this of egalitarians as a class.<br /><br />4. Thus, he continues: "Mutuality of submission and servanthood do not cancel out the reality of leadership and headship. Servanthood does not nullify leadership; it defines it. <br /><br />5. Sin did not create headship but destroyed it, and here Piper rails against the abuse of headship by domineering and indifferent, lazy males and the abuse of submission by both manipulative obsequiousness and brazen insubordination on the part of wives. Sin made these roles ugly and destructive.<br /><br />6. Headship: "divine calling of a husband to take primary responsibility for Christlike, servant leadership, protection, and provision in the home. Submission is the divine calling of a wife to honor and affirm her husband's leadership and help carry it through according to her gifts" (80). There's not enough "love" or "covenant keeping" in these two definitions for me. I can't believe a woman's submission is about affirming a husband's leadership -- that's too abstract for me. His definitions here appear to be commitments to assignments for one another instead of commitment to one another.<br /><br />7. Headship basically means leadership with two facets: protecting and providing (nourishing and cherishing). And the next chp has good examples of what he means by all this ... &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="NPCC.jpg" src="http://blog.beliefnet.com/jesuscreed/imgs/NPCC.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" height="299" width="450" /></span>Kris and I were back in Atlanta last weekend for my <a href="http://www.northpoint.org/messages"><b>second teaching session on the Jesus Creed.</b></a> But first, awesome worship band led by <a href="http://toddfields.com/">Todd Fields</a>. The final song -- don't remember the name of the young man who sang it -- perfectly captured the message.<br /><br />Thanks again to all the folks at NPCC, including Diane Grant and Tina and Lindsay and Tim Cooper. <br /><br />I did Jesus Creed "phase two" by looking at the theme of "morphing." James, brother of Jesus, applies the Jesus Creed (2:1-10 and 1:25-27) to two concrete situations -- and we looked at how the Jesus Creed came to life in the messianic congregations of James.<br /><br />First, James brought to mind this most memorable saying of Jesus -- the Jesus Creed -- when it came to the poor. Second, he led us to those on God's heart -- the orphans and widows. And third he showed what morphing is all about: those who live out the Jesus Creed embody the life Jesus lived and calls us to. I focused on learning to show loving compassion on the orphans and widows, and it gave me opportunity to mention some of my favorite folks: Tom Davis and Karen Spears Zacharias.<br /><br />The response has been awesome, and I've heard from dozens on Facebook and Twitter and through e-mails. Plus, North Point does a great job with "intersect," their ministries to those in need.<br /> ]]></description>
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