Here is the question for today - Do you read books by or about women? Intentionally?

This is the third and last in a series of posts centered around a short volume Are Women Human? containing two essays by Dorothy Sayers. Today I am going to give a couple of quotes from Sayers' essays, make an observation, a suggestion, and open a conversation.
From the essay "The Human-Not-Quite-Human" (page numbers from the 1981 printing of "Are Women Human?")
The
first task, when undertaking the study of any phenomenon, is to observe
its most obvious feature; and it is here that most students fail. It is
here that most students of "The Woman Question" have failed, and the
Church more lamentably than most, and with less excuse. That is why it
is necessary, from time to time, to speak plainly, and perhaps even
brutally, to the Church.
The first
thing that strikes the careless observer is that women are unlike men.
... But the fundamental thing is that women are more like men than anything else in the world. They are human beings. Vir is male and Femina is female: but Homo is male and female.
This is the equality that is claimed
and the fact that is persistently evaded and denied. No matter what
arguments are used, the discussion is vitiated from the start, because
Man is always dealt with as both Homo and Vir, but woman as only Femina. (p. 37)

Last Thursday (see here) I started a short series of posts focused on Dorothy Sayers' essays published in the volume Are Women Human?. The first essay in this volume is an address given to a women's society in 1938. Sayers starts the essay by relating her invitation to speak to the group and noting that she did not consider herself a feminist and did not wish to be identified with feminism. She did, however, think that "a woman is as good as a man", but goes on to explain what she means by this phrase:
What, I feel, we ought to mean is something so obvious that it is apt to escape attention altogether, viz: not that every woman is, in virtue of her sex, as strong, clever, artistic, level-headed, industrious,and so forth as any man that can be mentioned; but, that a woman is just as much an ordinary human being as a man, with the same individual preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences of an individual. What is repugnant to every human being is to be reckoned always as a member of a class and not as an individual. (19)
Classifications and generalizations can be useful - Sayers does not deny this - women tend to be smaller, Swedes tend to be blond ... we can go beyond this to personality traits and abilities. But such classifications do not define any individual human, male or female,
What does it mean to affirm (for those of us who do) that all men and women are created equal in the image of God? If you don't, why don't you?
We've had extensive conversations on this blog on the issue of women in
ministry. The topic comprises the last third of Scot's book The Blue Parakeet: Rethinking How You Read the Bible
, and is at the root of many of the contemporary conflicts within our church, including those over tribal translations. I generally stay on the periphery of these discussion because they always leave me feeling sick - and just a little dirty.
But this is an issue that we cannot avoid - not in the context of "Christian Virtue": and not in the context of "Missional Campus Ministry." One of the most potent criticisms of the church within the academy is directed at the view of women presented by some who purpose to speak for the church - for God - on this matter. As a Christian, a scientist, an academic, and a woman - I find this conflict particularly troubling. I have been asked how I can be a thinking woman and a Christian much more often than I have been asked how I can be a scientist and a Christian.

A few weeks ago Scot posted a series in Chris Armstrong's book Patron Saints for Postmoderns: Ten from the Past Who Speak to Our Future
. The final "saint" Armstrong highlighted was Dorothy Sayers, a woman many know as the author of the still popular Lord Peter Wimsey detective novels ... but who also translated Dante and wrote on theology. Dorothy Sayers was an amazing woman, a trailblazer, and a great thinker. She was far from perfect - but that only makes her human. Or does it?
There is a short volume Are Women Human? containing two essays by Sayers on this very topic. Anyone who reads both this book and her novel Gaudy Night will immediately recognize the coherence of her overall view.
I am going to put up a few posts on this book over the next week or so, focused on some of Sayers' key points. Today I would like to put forward a brief excerpt from this book and open the floor for discussion.

Amanda Berry Smith, a six foot African American woman who dressed like a Quaker, exemplifies how to live in the midst of racism and do so with boundary-breaking grace:
"In Amanda Berry Smith," Chris Armstrong tells us, "we have someone who could easily have nursed anger and resentment against those who throughout her life put her down -- for her race, her class and her gender. Having been treated poorly throughout her life, she could have descended into bitterness... Smith was able to transcend her anger" (
Patron Saints for Postmoderns: Ten from the Past Who Speak to Our Future
).
Who today is a model of overcoming racism? Of transcending racism? Of healing folks of racism?
How did Amanda overcome racism? Pure and simple: she attributed it to the Wesleyan doctrine of sanctification (see below), and she both advocated the doctrine and was criticized for it -- but no one could contest the implications of her belief in sanctification to transcend racism, sexism, and classism.
She was no dreamer of an ideal world; she saw racism, experienced it, knew it, and deflected it. And she arrived on the scene as a major Camp Meeting preacher and pray-er after hardship in marriage and the death of her child.
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