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Fast?

posted by J-Walking | 10:51am Thursday November 16, 2006

Here is a link back to something I wrote last month on the idea for a fast from politics. And here is a quote from that piece:

“Can anything that dilutes the name of Jesus be worth it for Christians like me?

That is why I’m talking about a fast from politics — obviously a temporary thing and obviously one that includes voting.

Why a fast? Fasts help focus an individual — or a group — on the spiritual. One denies themselves of food, for instance, to free themselves up to different spiritual things. And most dramatically, it is a way to reveal someone’s true spiritual condition by stripping away a basic necessity of life, leading to brokenness, repentance, and transformation.”



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Gretchen

posted November 16, 2006 at 3:53 pm

Donny

posted November 16, 2006 at 4:08 pm


David,While you advise a fast, MoveOn.org and the Democrats are mobilizing great hordes of leftists to defeat Christians and their idea of social norms and morality in 2008. I cannot support you in that.



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Donny

posted November 16, 2006 at 4:11 pm


And David, “You” are not stopping your political involvment in any way. You are not asked to talk on network radio and TV to convert the lost. You’re being asked ways to further Democrat gains. C’mon man.



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Kevin Young

posted November 16, 2006 at 10:17 pm


Donny, don’t you see what an intolerant and bitter view of Christianity you are leaving to the anonymous public? You are definately not alone in your demonizing portrayal of Democrats, but the truth is not determined by the opinions of the masses. The truth is not a mantra to be forced upon anyone. The truth is not hateful, or imprisoning. The truth is strong, like a rock, and it can cut like a razor, but ultimately it crushes the lies of the adversary, and it cuts through the bondage of the oppressed. Jesus said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” But your spirit on the other hand, is scarred by it’s bondage.Just how is it that you personally demonstrate the Love of Christ to a fallen and oppressed world? How do you demonstrate the forgiveness required of all who have themselves been forgiven much? How can a stranger see within you the living spirit of a risen savior? When I read what you say, I witness a spiteful, bitter, generalizing and condemning man who has shut his ears to opposing views, and the words of Christ.



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HASH(0x91291ec)

posted November 16, 2006 at 10:58 pm


Nicely said Kevin. Most of what Donny writes here is full of bitterness and hate. He claims liberals hate religion and morality – but that could not be further from the truth. He has every right to express what he thinks – but I can’t help but pray for him that someday he may be more open to other views. For example the idea that maybe it is for God to judge and not for him. That morality isn’t something to legislate- but something to practice. That democrats are NOT moving to defeat Christians (as he claims)- but moving to change the current government. (They are not one in the same) Morality is a funny thing. What may be immoral to you – might not be to me. I think going to war based on a lie is immorality at its worst. It seems the Religious Right found a way to see past that one.



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Shengirl

posted November 17, 2006 at 4:27 am


Gee, here this guy posts that he needs to take a break from the stress, agitation and hostility engendered by politics, and what replies does he get- more hostility and politics? You people are missing the point completely. We need politics, we need political activists (and we also need to watch how we live in our political worlds, we must maintain a morality about it), but there are times we get burned out by it all. I feel that way right now. Burned out. The anger, the attacks, will never go away. I’ve poured myself into the last few elections, but now I need a break. I really do. That’s why I popped into Beliefnet, to see if there might be any relief here, any words of wisdom, any insight. And all I see is more political fighting. How sad. Some of you seem to have totally lost your sense of perspective.



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HASH(0x912ad48)

posted November 17, 2006 at 5:38 am


But the fact of the matter is this: the MoveOn.orgers are mobilizing and taking control of young and impressionable minds.That anyone should ask a Christian to take time off from trying to save the lost cannot find that support from the New Testament he uses to define what he is. Paul spread the Gospel through politics. He wasn’t in Rome as a welcomed guest of the republic. Yet, he was there just the same and knew what he was doing. It is not bitterness or hate to point out the truth. Democrats have for decades championed an adversarial position to Christians that will not submit to their liberal agenda. An agenda that no Christian can find support for in the pages of the New Testament. That is just a fact.



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Kevin Young

posted November 17, 2006 at 8:04 am


Donny, just because you failed to post your name (posing as anonymous) does not betray your ongoing motif. I will ask you politely once more: stop demonizing liberals. I do not endorse either camp, as they are both in the hands of the prince of this world. But for you to demonize one group in favor of the other is to fall into the seductive trap of smoke and mirrors that the Devil has set up in luring our support in anything but the Rock of Christ.For the record, Republicans are pro-war and in an undeniable support of the wealthiest 1% of Americans. that’s 2 strikes against the cause of the kingdom of God so far, and I’m just getting warmed up.I hope, instead of forcing anyone into listing the greivances of the Republican party that you would instead take a step back from your personal vendetta against Democrats and ask yourself the simple question: What Would Jesus Do?



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Donny

posted November 17, 2006 at 2:40 pm


I forgot to to put my name in the box. It happened on another comments page.Republicans are for freedom of the individual to do with his or her resources what they want to. Democrats, on the other hand, want to take your money and distribute it as they see fit. Usually funding licentiousness or its inevitable outcome.”I” am not demonizing democrats. Their actions are their own choices. Though I cannot believe that evil does NOT rejoice at the slaughter of the innocent in the name of choice/convenience.Marriage is being altered forever by liberals in the Democrat camp. That the common family is terrorized by taxation that means they will never be able to own a home in reality. Living of course in section eight housing fueld by Democrat ideology. That parents no longer have rights to their own children in Democrat led strongholds. Just “judeg” the facts.



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Donny

posted November 17, 2006 at 3:20 pm


Doggone typos. Just “judge” the facts.Isn’t that how you pass a test? Facts?



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Terry

posted November 17, 2006 at 6:27 pm


“Though I cannot believe that evil does NOT rejoice at the slaughter of the innocent in the name of choice/convenience” Donny – you don’t see how this statement is demonizing democrats? You must be blind. I understand your stance against abortion. It is a sad thing for everyone involved. It shouldn’t be used as a form of contraception. So let me ask you this; do you believe in contraception? The pill, condoms and so forth?



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Kevin Young

posted November 17, 2006 at 6:55 pm


I personally believe it to be more wicked of Republicans to use their supposed stance against abortion as a hot-button issue to get votes, when they have not lifted a finger to revoke Roe Vs. Wade! What excuse do you have for “God’s Own Party” in the feild of making empty promises, and using a sensitive issue like that for years and years while not lifting a finger to do anything about it? They use the abortion issue, and the hatefullness of homophobia to disguise their greater agenda of destroying the middle class, abandoning the poor, and engaging in preemptive wars based on lies. REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS! and Terry is correct, sir; you are blind.



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g

posted November 18, 2006 at 4:32 pm


Yet, both sides use these issues to some degree, Kevin. As you said, to galvisned their support base who many be on a political ‘fast’ It’s politics. Lets say Republicans fix the abortion issue (for example). They will lose this effective issue which rightly outrages their voters into voting for them. Futhermore, if passed there would be an outcry of the ‘fasting’ democratic into voting, againsted Republic’s So put it simply, its not in their intreast to ‘lift a fingear’ over such issues. Cause they will lose support (at election time, the only time it counts) and inturn give the Democratic more support. THis issue like other ‘hot button’ issues, aren’t really about the issue. The issue is a calcutaled tool which each party use to get votes. Its politics. Every right thinking person should not be involved in it. But then again….. only the wrong think people would be envolved in it. So, taking a fast/holiday away from it now and again, is the lesser of two evils.



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Rick

posted November 20, 2006 at 1:10 am


David, I want to support you in your fasting from politics. The Advent season would be a great time to start that process. It looks to me like you have been through several whirlwinds in the past couple of years and somehow it seems to me like you are at a decision point in your life. As I read your blog I see you becoming more interested/concerned about spiritual things than political things. We should all take some time apart to hear that Voice that should guide us.



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