My wife calls me this morning after spending an hour in line at our suburban Virginia polling place. "Did you know Virginia had a marriage amendment on the ballot? I hadn't heard a thing about it."
Me, "No, no clue."
Either we missed all the hubbub about it amidst the George Allen v. Jim Webb crap-throwing ad barrage or it was an issue that never got much traction. Back in September the Family Research Council tried to recruit volunteers to the effort.
Financing efforts, however, were small. Focus on the Family only raised a little more than $10,000.
What to make of it? There was some controversy about the exact language, the Allen/Webb race took up most political oxygen, and the issue just doesn't have the power it did in 2004.
Christian conservative voters are certainly against gay marriage. But after two years of gay marriage and a still strong country I think most don't think it is the most vital issue facing our country today. And they are right.
that mysterious Virginia marriage amendment
Tuesday November 7, 2006
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I hope I wasn't misunderstood; I do actually support marriage for all people (why should straights suffer alone?). What I meant was that I believe that those who put these issues on ballots are not ideologically driven but cynically do it to turn out those who are frightened of it.
Donny, "Shouldn't your sexual choices not be meted out to an innocent child?" - You, like many "christians", continue to confuse homosexuality with child molestation. "Marriage is not a man and a man." - Actually, in many places it can be and it is. "Even adopted children should have a mother and a father." - Which would explain why SINGLE people are allowed to adopt. "A family is and always has been a man and a woman." - Gee, some on your side would say that's just a couple and that it takes children to make a "family". Who ya gonna trust, eh? Those 'heathens' in lands where a family can be a man and a woman and another woman and another woman and another woman? Or what about in Amurrikkka where it's one man, one woman at a time?
"It is not the majority population's fault you and your life-partner were "born" gay." - Who's "fault" is it then? God's?
"Children still, no matter what, come from the union of a man and a woman." - As if that had anything to do with mariage. "That a Constitutional marriage amendment has to be even considered is a sign that our society has reached a breaking point." - You are SO right about that. The Constitution used to say that ALL men (and presumably women, too) were created EQUAL. Wonder who 'broke' it, eh? "Obviously the GLBT community is the intolerant ones here." - How so? "What can possibly come out of the licensing of same-sex marriage?" - Um, more marriages. DUH! "Has anyone (on the Left) really even considered the absolute oxymoron of same-sex marriage?" - I'm on the left, and I don't see it as an oxymoron. "What knid of mind embraces the altering of marriage and family?" - Open ones. Thanks for asking. ""If" a person is "born gay" they should not use innocent children for political power." - This is a non-sequitur and illogical. Try again and do better next time, Donny. "Has not God or nature, told you something?" - Well, God tells me I am a child of God. And nature tells me I am a part of nature. Yer point? (You DO have one, don't you?) "Use of our "human" intellect would help in this matter." - Methinks you are unfamiliar with human intellect. Your strange usage of quote marks leads me to believeit even more. "Homosexuality does not produce children." - You've said this before, Donny. What IS your point? I mean, I know plenty of heterosexuals who are either incapable of producing, or who choose not to produce children. So? "That is not the fault of non-homosexuals or the "religious right." - You've said THAT before too. Who's "fault" is it then, God's? continued below...
"I thought this was all about natural conditions?" - You evidently don't give much "thought" to your posts at all, Donny, but being gay is, in fact, ALL about a natural condition - for homosexuals. "BTW, how many gays and lesbians are admonishing non-homosexuals NOT to embrace promniscuity, [sic] licentiousness, hedonsim." - A lot. I hear it a lot in my church, in fact. "And homosexual sex "if" they are not homosexual?" - Well, THAT would be un-natural, something Paul warns you heterosexuals from turning against. Perhaps THAT is the lesson you heterosexuals should take from all this. "Condom-morality is not exactly the Gospel." - HUH??? "I think it would be interesting to see if "gay parents" teach the same things as non-homosexuals." - The ones I know do. Things like 'Love your neighbour as yourself.' And, 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And 'Don't run with scissors.' Why would you think we teach them anything other than what all good parents do? "How many parents even desire their children be included in their sexual condition?" - Now that's just sick. (Not to mention totally irrelevant and un-called for in someone who calls himself a "christian".) "But this is the case of a child in a gay/lesbian home from the moment a child reaches an age to understand what's going on in their world." - Donny, that is a LIE from the pit of HELL. "Marriage must be always a man and a woman" - You're posting in the wrong tense (again). It isn't now. Hasn't been for a long, long time. (I know that the first public same-sex marriage took place in a Church in Winnipeg over three decades ago. You just wish it weren't so. "Anything goes," has been seen throughour history to doom civilizations to riuns." [sic] - But that isn't what we seek. We seek equality. Specifically, but certainly not limited to, the right to marry the person we love. Hardly "anything goes", Donny. "Why wouldn't those that feel they are born homosexual, realize that marriage and family should not be forced to change because of their congenital condition." - Your marriage and your family is NOT being forced to change. NO heterosexual is forced to change or to have a same-sex marriage. No heterosexual loses one iota of rights or privileges because gay people are now allowed to marry. "In all seriousness, once this Pandora's box is opened for real, what is next?" - Equality. Thanks again for asking. "Species are only seperated by congenital condition as well. Non-human animals are "born that way" too." - Are you suggesting inter-species "marriage" will happen? Have you forgotten (or are youunfamiliar with) the concept of informed consent? Do you really wish to marry your pooch? Can Fido (or Fida, I guess is more appropriate, eh Donny?) sign a paper? You too funneee sometimes. (But only during the times when you're not being hateful - precious little time indeed, I'm afraid.) "All of the scientific evidence points that way." - You are certifiably nuts. "And many people really "love" their pets." - See above. "Same-sex marriage?" - Yep. "Why not different-species marriage?" - Again, see above. "That slippery slope is a reality now." - You're beyond nuts, you're delusional. Seek help.
curiouser and curiouser -
Thanks for taking the time to answer back to Donny's delusional rantings. Hopefully your comments be read by someone else whose mind and heart is open to listening to the other side - like the host of this blog. But methinks we'll just have this argument amongst ourselves.
Yes, I've noticed "Donny"'s predilection for posting his vile rants and then not coming back to answer questions. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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