Kuo: Do you think that conservatives have reached the point where we've forgotten that there are limits to government; where they believe that government and politics can offer salvation, when of course they can’t? D'Souza: I do think there may...
FYI, this post doesn't seem to link to any interview with D'Souza.
Tom Tomberg
January 26, 2007 5:10 AM
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An awful lot of wrong in there, but just a few quick corrections before bedtime... Islam is not a monolith. "They," the Evil Bad Muslims, are not just going to use a base in Iran to take over Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Iran is Shiite, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are Sunni. Iran is capable of all kinds of bad, but it will not be a base for the fantasy that D'Souza conjures up. Also, I'm puzzled by his inclusion of "gender issues" as an aspect of family life formerly not a part of political debate. Is D'Souza suggesting that it was better when "women" was subsumed within "family," and gender equality in the workplace was not an issue? Also, does he believe that courts were wrong when, faced with discrimination suits brought by women, courts enforced the Constitution and laws written by Congress? Does he think that, as a matter of law and public policy, we should discourage equality in the workplace? Also, is he defining Virginians who voted to deprive Mary Cheney's partner of legal rights vis-a-vis the children they will raise together as "anti-family"? If not, who does he mean by "anti-family"?
Donny
January 26, 2007 11:52 AM
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Look David, In plain english. Muslims hate Christians. Democrats hate Christians. It's not tough math. In battling powers and principalties, it should come as no shock where Christians face their biggest enemies. Niether Muslims or Leftists are silent about their hatred of the Church. It's interesting to see where you lend your support.
matt
January 26, 2007 2:59 PM
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The vast majority of Democrats at least claim to be christian. Some of the most vocal Democrats are ministers.
Susie
January 26, 2007 4:38 PM
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"In plain english. Muslims hate Christians. Democrats hate Christians. It's not tough math." And this comment is not math. I am a democrat and a Christian and not a follower of Satan. We believe everyone is welcome at the table of the Lord. There is no right/left, vegetarin/meateaters visible in church- we are all children of God. And by the way the left does not want us to lose the war on terror. We just don't want to perpetuate unneeded hatred of America by inept warmongering. I watched the twin towers burn and smelled the stench of burned flesh as it filled the city. It may me resolve to "war no more" because do we reap what we sow. But that does not mean I want people to come in and make me one thing or the other. You can call me evil every day and every night for being more left, a Democrat and believing Jesus welcomes all. But at the end of the day I use the brain and heart God gave me and listen to his words and not yours.
Marian Neudel
January 26, 2007 9:11 PM
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"I think that the Left loves America, but is devoted to a different vision of America than mine." If I ever find the time, I'm going to embroider this on a sampler and frame it! Why can't we enunciate our visions of America, our visions of The Good, without name-calling? Is there any place online where we can do that? Peace and light.
Thinker
January 27, 2007 5:29 AM
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I simply cannot respond to the sheer stupidity of a statement like "Muslims hate Christians". One of the best shows on TV is called "30 Days" and asks people to overturn their ignorant and bigoted preconceptions of various minorities. For example, the best show so far, asked a devout and decent young Christian man from South Carolina to move in with a family - in Dearborn Michigan - a young devout Muslim family. The extraordinary transformation that takes place in both the young man and his host - it was almost holy. the young man was willing to live for thirty days with people of another culture, but it took a bit for him to give up his preconceived notions. Living in a world where the "left" couldn't possibly love Jesus and where there is such certainty that "muslims hate Jesus" must be a terrifying place. Muslims respect Jesus tremendously, honor Mary as the Virgin Mother, but do not see Jesus as more than a great and holy prophet. They believe in the miracles of Jesus and honor the Scriptures - the Judeo-Christian scripture - as a holy book - along with the Koran. St. Francis - actually put fragments of the Koran on the altar. I recently read a really good book in which such issues were examined - written by three women -a Christian, a Muslim. and a Jew. I think it was called "Faith Club". We have only two alternatives - care about one another and nurture the relationships between people of different faiths or blow one another off the planet. I prefer the former. I have been a Christian all my life, but am increasingly embarrassed by the rhetoric and unChristlike statements of many other Christ - followers. Perhaps, actually meeting some Muslims would be helpful in healing the kind of hate filled rhetoric expressed by some.
Pacific231
January 28, 2007 12:28 AM
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David, serious question: After your interview with d'nutjob D'Sousa, did you feel like taking a shower? I can't imagine being in the same room with this Coulter Christian.
Donny
January 28, 2007 5:22 AM
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Thinker, In what Muslim country are Christians allowed to "spread the Gospel?" Or, the Injil, as Muslims call it? Making "disciples of ALL men?" (www.answers.com/yopic/injil) Zippo! And I'm not talking about the sound of a Christian being beheaded for leaving Islam and becoming a Christian. Which is the cost of an open-minded person being born-again, in an Islamic country. Time to wake up folks!
Carol
January 29, 2007 7:35 PM
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Please remember people were upset when someone wanted to use the Koran instead of the Bible to be sworn in. So I guess we are the pot calling the kettle black?
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FYI, this post doesn't seem to link to any interview with D'Souza.
An awful lot of wrong in there, but just a few quick corrections before bedtime... Islam is not a monolith. "They," the Evil Bad Muslims, are not just going to use a base in Iran to take over Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Iran is Shiite, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are Sunni. Iran is capable of all kinds of bad, but it will not be a base for the fantasy that D'Souza conjures up. Also, I'm puzzled by his inclusion of "gender issues" as an aspect of family life formerly not a part of political debate. Is D'Souza suggesting that it was better when "women" was subsumed within "family," and gender equality in the workplace was not an issue? Also, does he believe that courts were wrong when, faced with discrimination suits brought by women, courts enforced the Constitution and laws written by Congress? Does he think that, as a matter of law and public policy, we should discourage equality in the workplace?
Also, is he defining Virginians who voted to deprive Mary Cheney's partner of legal rights vis-a-vis the children they will raise together as "anti-family"? If not, who does he mean by "anti-family"?
Look David,
In plain english.
Muslims hate Christians. Democrats hate Christians. It's not tough math. In battling powers and principalties, it should come as no shock where Christians face their biggest enemies. Niether Muslims or Leftists are silent about their hatred of the Church. It's interesting to see where you lend your support.
The vast majority of Democrats at least claim to be christian. Some of the most vocal Democrats are ministers.
"In plain english.
Muslims hate Christians. Democrats hate Christians. It's not tough math." And this comment is not math.
I am a democrat and a Christian and not a follower of Satan. We believe everyone is welcome at the table of the Lord. There is no right/left, vegetarin/meateaters visible in church- we are all children of God. And by the way the left does not want us to lose the war on terror. We just don't want to perpetuate unneeded hatred of America by inept warmongering. I watched the twin towers burn and smelled the stench of burned flesh as it filled the city. It may me resolve to "war no more" because do we reap what we sow. But that does not mean I want people to come in and make me one thing or the other. You can call me evil every day and every night for being more left, a Democrat and believing Jesus welcomes all. But at the end of the day I use the brain and heart God gave me and listen to his words and not yours.
"I think that the Left loves America, but is devoted to a different vision of America than mine." If I ever find the time, I'm going to embroider this on a sampler and frame it! Why can't we enunciate our visions of America, our visions of The Good, without name-calling? Is there any place online where we can do that? Peace and light.
I simply cannot respond to the sheer stupidity of a statement like "Muslims hate Christians". One of the best shows on TV is called "30 Days" and asks people to overturn their ignorant and bigoted preconceptions of various minorities. For example, the best show so far, asked a devout and decent young Christian man from South Carolina to move in with a family - in Dearborn Michigan - a young devout Muslim family. The extraordinary transformation that takes place in both the young man and his host - it was almost holy. the young man was willing to live for thirty days with people of another culture, but it took a bit for him to give up his preconceived notions. Living in a world where the "left" couldn't possibly love Jesus and where there is such certainty that "muslims hate Jesus" must be a terrifying place. Muslims respect Jesus tremendously, honor Mary as the Virgin Mother, but do not see Jesus as more than a great and holy prophet. They believe in the miracles of Jesus and honor the Scriptures - the Judeo-Christian scripture - as a holy book - along with the Koran. St. Francis - actually put fragments of the Koran on the altar. I recently read a really good book in which such issues were examined - written by three women -a Christian, a Muslim. and a Jew. I think it was called "Faith Club". We have only two alternatives - care about one another and nurture the relationships between people of different faiths or blow one another off the planet. I prefer the former. I have been a Christian all my life, but am increasingly embarrassed by the rhetoric and unChristlike statements of many other Christ - followers. Perhaps, actually meeting some Muslims would be helpful in healing the kind of hate filled rhetoric expressed by some.
David, serious question: After your interview with d'nutjob D'Sousa, did you feel like taking a shower? I can't imagine being in the same room with this Coulter Christian.
Thinker, In what Muslim country are Christians allowed to "spread the Gospel?" Or, the Injil, as Muslims call it? Making "disciples of ALL men?" (www.answers.com/yopic/injil) Zippo! And I'm not talking about the sound of a Christian being beheaded for leaving Islam and becoming a Christian. Which is the cost of an open-minded person being born-again, in an Islamic country. Time to wake up folks!
Please remember people were upset when someone wanted to use the Koran instead of the Bible to be sworn in.
So I guess we are the pot calling the kettle black?
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