Today Michael Vick will face justice for his abominable actions. Abominable isn't even the right word. Horrifying isn't right. Nothing seems good enough to describe what he did. God gave us dominion over creation but that means he gave us...
We're more sick with this culture, rather than sick of it.
Mike Vick is just the latest object of outrage who has done something so over the top that we can regain our virtuous feeling for a while.
And when we're done with him, and he's in prison for some period of months, our media will find someone else to treat in a similar manner.
Thinker
August 27, 2007 7:23 AM
Part of mimetic theory is about the "scapegoat" - the one driven out into the desert and who carries all our sins. We find them on a regular basis, but unfortunately this very effective way of gathering people does not work well anymore. The most effective scapegaots have been kingss or seeming heroesMichael Vick fits the criteria very well and is a distraction to the chaos that is currently politics. Have to go to school now so weill write more on all this later.
Donny
August 27, 2007 9:58 AM
"Prison?"
For killing dogs?
And we have "laws" that protect Abortionists and Planned Parenthood Centers from facing the justice they so deserve.
Vick didn't kill dogs. He simply perfomed mercy killings on Pit Bulls that were unwanted and or were unable to live out fulfilling lives.
I think it is time for people in THIS country to start thinking correctly.
Vick is part of a culture that is so #@#$%& up, that it will scream in hysteria for vengeance for "murdered" and "tortured" DOGS from one segment, and not care for one second, nor make one sound about the kinds of people that advocate and carry out the murder of human beings.
The same pathetic, apathetic that rant and rave over these "murdered" Pit Bulls, are the exact same people that care nothing to STOP the murder and torture of human beings anywhere on this planet. Including the inner city and it's culture that created Michael Vick's heart and mind.
It is extremely easy to see why God destroys peoples, nations and civilizations.
Donny
August 27, 2007 10:24 AM
If this bothers anybody:
"Vick didn't kill dogs. He simply perfomed mercy killings on Pit Bulls that were unwanted and or were unable to live out fulfilling lives."
The hypocrisy of the cheering crowds wanting Michael Vick to suffer in a prison full of violence (for killing dogs), is so pungent, it has to have heaven wreaking with its stench.
Realize that modern western nations have euthanasia and abortion (of human beings) as if it were cleaning out the pantry. And realize the kinds of people that completely support both.
Are 50 pit bulls worth a man going to "prison?"
There are hundreds of millions of "animals" run over by cars every single year.
That is a lot of third degree murderers driving our roads. More than likely YOU are one of them.
Jake
August 27, 2007 11:30 AM
Seriously Donny - you're equating dog fighting to hitting an animal on the road? Its not a remotely valid comparison - in Vick's case you have people willfully responsible for the death of the dogs, while in the other you have people who accidently hit an animal in the road. The difference is motivation and intent. Willfully torturing or killing animals is morally repugnant, and as David has pointed out, is against God's stated plan for us to care for creation. Look at it this way - if God created the world and everyone and everything in it (including animals) and said it was "good," doesn't it stand to reason that he doesn't want us to wantonly destroy that same creation (including animals)?
I would affirm that human life has greater inherent "worth" than animal life because we are the only part of creation that bears the image of God. But this in no way means that we can act as if the rest of creation has NO worth. God created it "good" and gave us responsibility for its care. If we allow people to do what Vick did, we fail in that responsibility.
Tom
August 27, 2007 11:38 AM
When there is no strategies or creative solutions for non-violence, the mind and spiritual-will simply cannot overcome the plague of perpetual violence, as this blog post points out. As great as this country is in helping those in need abroad, would the world really devolve into anarchy if we decided to disassociate with other cultures that regularly govern with mob-like tendencies or exercise extreme political philosophies? There’s something wrong when the answer to that question is a widespread reflexive ‘yes.’ It is supremely naïve and paternalistic to think the established and enduring roots of democracy will quickly wither if the corners of the world are not monitored, tightly clutched and clung to at every turn. I think most of us don’t want to be the world’s gatekeeper, but we allow ourselves to believe the failed perception that we can be. First of all, what time do WE have to keep adequate focus on our own immediate priorities and good works as an individual nation? The answer is we don’t have the time to collectively renew ourselves in any sort of productive or pragmatic way. Our history is still young and that’s a blessing that we shouldn’t take for granted. We should concern ourselves with advancing the true nature of the grand American experiment. Even this grand experiment was intended to keep a right and balanced perspective. We need to take care of our own national identity first by getting right with the better angels of our nature. We’ve done it before and it’s time to find that place once again. That’s the most logical way of circumventing what seems to be the current downward spiral of violence. But, we remain blindly content to ratchet up all the direct and indirect actions of conflict instead of exploring our creative, forward-thinking, spiritual destiny. Isn’t it a bit of a straw-man argument to justify our lack of commitment to real non-violence by saying we must continue these unhealthy adventures in the world? I really don’t think we’re incapable of taking the high road if we decide to send a message - not of retreat and/or surrender; but of respect, honor, personal pride and responsibility.
Tom
August 27, 2007 11:45 AM
"When there aren't any" sorry for the bad grammar here and in any other instance, :).
maxcat06
August 27, 2007 1:49 PM
By your logic then, Donny, any existing animal cruelty laws should be removed from the books unless and until Roe V. Wade is repealed?
I have no children, nor have I aborted any, and as a matter of fact find abortion as a means of birth control abhorrent.
I do, however, have dogs and cats, and have been involved throughout my life with animal rescue organizations. Perhaps in your eyes that makes me a lesser individual, as I have channeled my energies in a foolish preoccupation, yet I feel that I am helping God's creatures. I think that Michael Vick deserves prison time for animal cruelty; he has broken the law, engaged in the training, fighting, and the destruction of pit bulls for gambling and profit. Sorry if it offends you that I, and others, have feelings about people who can do things like that. He has violated God's charge to us to care for the creatures of the earth. Sorry you can't feel that compassion along with your compassion for the unborn.
Trish Ryan
August 27, 2007 3:47 PM
I'm tired of the violence. It's gotten to the point that I go to the gym without my contact lenses in because the treadmills are in front of a group of ten TV's, and on any given afternoon there's Michael Vick on one screen, scenes from the war on another, Dr. Phil talking to some horribly broken person who feels like going on TV is the only way to get help on a third...it's a little overwhelming.
Jillian
August 27, 2007 4:51 PM
I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned the parallels between dogfighting, cockfighting, bullfighting, and the Roman gladiator fights. None of them is adequately performed without bloodshed, and death of the losing combatant is also necessary to proper completion of the ritual involved. Thumbs down to them all as practices, so to speak. :-)
It's not hard to see the roots of Vick's indulgence in dogfighting in rage, resentments, and violated excessive pride. All the pearl-clutching classist sneering and hypocrisy by average people and "the media" is about as abominable, though.
Many, if not most, young pit bulls are euthanized as unmanageable and dangerous in "normal" breeding. As a breed, pit bulls came to be by selecting for dogs most murderous of rats in the sewers of London iirc. Killing far more animals than they can eat or represent a threat to their lives is obviously insanity by dog standards, so it is a breed that is genetically seriously mentally defective and inherently dangerous to other dogs and e.g. people. In my opinion pit bulls should only be used for their selected purpose of rat extermination, if anything. There are better breeds for protection and such tasks.
canucklehead
August 27, 2007 8:31 PM
Trish, Trish, put the contact lenses back in because on TV sets 6-9 you can see the Falwell son take over for Daddy, the Robertson lad take over for Papa, the Crouch boy pick up for Daddy and Mommy, and Franklin succeed Billy. Appropriate, since on set #10 they're showing re-runs of All in the Family.
Donny
August 28, 2007 12:07 AM
"By your logic then, Donny, any existing animal cruelty laws should be removed from the books unless and until Roe V. Wade is repealed?"
By my logic, people that scream and rant about dogs being killed because they are not wanted, or for the enjoyment or betterment of the person killing them . . . and they do not yell and scream at abortionists (Liberals, Progressives, Democrats et al) every single day of the year, makes them complicit.
Yes, it is terrible to kill pit bulls or any other "animal," (although pit bulls are not a natural animal) but you do not hear a peep out of these leftist/greenies for the millions of unborn child.
Karen
August 29, 2007 2:32 PM
And what about those who 'scream and rant' about both?
Like people can only do one or the other? Humans are capable of embracing more than one cause at a time.
Karen
August 29, 2007 2:39 PM
And you think every Liberal, Progressive, Democrat is an actual 'abortionist'?
Don't bother to answer.. of course you do.
And I'm sure that every Conservative, Republican, Reactionary is a bloodthirsty warmonger too.
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I'd say you're hoping and projecting.
We're more sick with this culture, rather than sick of it.
Mike Vick is just the latest object of outrage who has done something so over the top that we can regain our virtuous feeling for a while.
And when we're done with him, and he's in prison for some period of months, our media will find someone else to treat in a similar manner.
Part of mimetic theory is about the "scapegoat" - the one driven out into the desert and who carries all our sins. We find them on a regular basis, but unfortunately this very effective way of gathering people does not work well anymore. The most effective scapegaots have been kingss or seeming heroesMichael Vick fits the criteria very well and is a distraction to the chaos that is currently politics. Have to go to school now so weill write more on all this later.
"Prison?"
For killing dogs?
And we have "laws" that protect Abortionists and Planned Parenthood Centers from facing the justice they so deserve.
Vick didn't kill dogs. He simply perfomed mercy killings on Pit Bulls that were unwanted and or were unable to live out fulfilling lives.
I think it is time for people in THIS country to start thinking correctly.
Vick is part of a culture that is so #@#$%& up, that it will scream in hysteria for vengeance for "murdered" and "tortured" DOGS from one segment, and not care for one second, nor make one sound about the kinds of people that advocate and carry out the murder of human beings.
The same pathetic, apathetic that rant and rave over these "murdered" Pit Bulls, are the exact same people that care nothing to STOP the murder and torture of human beings anywhere on this planet. Including the inner city and it's culture that created Michael Vick's heart and mind.
It is extremely easy to see why God destroys peoples, nations and civilizations.
If this bothers anybody:
"Vick didn't kill dogs. He simply perfomed mercy killings on Pit Bulls that were unwanted and or were unable to live out fulfilling lives."
The hypocrisy of the cheering crowds wanting Michael Vick to suffer in a prison full of violence (for killing dogs), is so pungent, it has to have heaven wreaking with its stench.
Realize that modern western nations have euthanasia and abortion (of human beings) as if it were cleaning out the pantry. And realize the kinds of people that completely support both.
Are 50 pit bulls worth a man going to "prison?"
There are hundreds of millions of "animals" run over by cars every single year.
That is a lot of third degree murderers driving our roads. More than likely YOU are one of them.
Seriously Donny - you're equating dog fighting to hitting an animal on the road? Its not a remotely valid comparison - in Vick's case you have people willfully responsible for the death of the dogs, while in the other you have people who accidently hit an animal in the road. The difference is motivation and intent. Willfully torturing or killing animals is morally repugnant, and as David has pointed out, is against God's stated plan for us to care for creation. Look at it this way - if God created the world and everyone and everything in it (including animals) and said it was "good," doesn't it stand to reason that he doesn't want us to wantonly destroy that same creation (including animals)?
I would affirm that human life has greater inherent "worth" than animal life because we are the only part of creation that bears the image of God. But this in no way means that we can act as if the rest of creation has NO worth. God created it "good" and gave us responsibility for its care. If we allow people to do what Vick did, we fail in that responsibility.
When there is no strategies or creative solutions for non-violence, the mind and spiritual-will simply cannot overcome the plague of perpetual violence, as this blog post points out. As great as this country is in helping those in need abroad, would the world really devolve into anarchy if we decided to disassociate with other cultures that regularly govern with mob-like tendencies or exercise extreme political philosophies? There’s something wrong when the answer to that question is a widespread reflexive ‘yes.’ It is supremely naïve and paternalistic to think the established and enduring roots of democracy will quickly wither if the corners of the world are not monitored, tightly clutched and clung to at every turn. I think most of us don’t want to be the world’s gatekeeper, but we allow ourselves to believe the failed perception that we can be. First of all, what time do WE have to keep adequate focus on our own immediate priorities and good works as an individual nation? The answer is we don’t have the time to collectively renew ourselves in any sort of productive or pragmatic way. Our history is still young and that’s a blessing that we shouldn’t take for granted. We should concern ourselves with advancing the true nature of the grand American experiment. Even this grand experiment was intended to keep a right and balanced perspective. We need to take care of our own national identity first by getting right with the better angels of our nature. We’ve done it before and it’s time to find that place once again. That’s the most logical way of circumventing what seems to be the current downward spiral of violence. But, we remain blindly content to ratchet up all the direct and indirect actions of conflict instead of exploring our creative, forward-thinking, spiritual destiny. Isn’t it a bit of a straw-man argument to justify our lack of commitment to real non-violence by saying we must continue these unhealthy adventures in the world? I really don’t think we’re incapable of taking the high road if we decide to send a message - not of retreat and/or surrender; but of respect, honor, personal pride and responsibility.
"When there aren't any" sorry for the bad grammar here and in any other instance, :).
By your logic then, Donny, any existing animal cruelty laws should be removed from the books unless and until Roe V. Wade is repealed?
I have no children, nor have I aborted any, and as a matter of fact find abortion as a means of birth control abhorrent.
I do, however, have dogs and cats, and have been involved throughout my life with animal rescue organizations. Perhaps in your eyes that makes me a lesser individual, as I have channeled my energies in a foolish preoccupation, yet I feel that I am helping God's creatures. I think that Michael Vick deserves prison time for animal cruelty; he has broken the law, engaged in the training, fighting, and the destruction of pit bulls for gambling and profit. Sorry if it offends you that I, and others, have feelings about people who can do things like that. He has violated God's charge to us to care for the creatures of the earth. Sorry you can't feel that compassion along with your compassion for the unborn.
I'm tired of the violence. It's gotten to the point that I go to the gym without my contact lenses in because the treadmills are in front of a group of ten TV's, and on any given afternoon there's Michael Vick on one screen, scenes from the war on another, Dr. Phil talking to some horribly broken person who feels like going on TV is the only way to get help on a third...it's a little overwhelming.
I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned the parallels between dogfighting, cockfighting, bullfighting, and the Roman gladiator fights. None of them is adequately performed without bloodshed, and death of the losing combatant is also necessary to proper completion of the ritual involved. Thumbs down to them all as practices, so to speak. :-)
It's not hard to see the roots of Vick's indulgence in dogfighting in rage, resentments, and violated excessive pride. All the pearl-clutching classist sneering and hypocrisy by average people and "the media" is about as abominable, though.
Many, if not most, young pit bulls are euthanized as unmanageable and dangerous in "normal" breeding. As a breed, pit bulls came to be by selecting for dogs most murderous of rats in the sewers of London iirc. Killing far more animals than they can eat or represent a threat to their lives is obviously insanity by dog standards, so it is a breed that is genetically seriously mentally defective and inherently dangerous to other dogs and e.g. people. In my opinion pit bulls should only be used for their selected purpose of rat extermination, if anything. There are better breeds for protection and such tasks.
Trish, Trish, put the contact lenses back in because on TV sets 6-9 you can see the Falwell son take over for Daddy, the Robertson lad take over for Papa, the Crouch boy pick up for Daddy and Mommy, and Franklin succeed Billy. Appropriate, since on set #10 they're showing re-runs of All in the Family.
"By your logic then, Donny, any existing animal cruelty laws should be removed from the books unless and until Roe V. Wade is repealed?"
By my logic, people that scream and rant about dogs being killed because they are not wanted, or for the enjoyment or betterment of the person killing them . . . and they do not yell and scream at abortionists (Liberals, Progressives, Democrats et al) every single day of the year, makes them complicit.
Yes, it is terrible to kill pit bulls or any other "animal," (although pit bulls are not a natural animal) but you do not hear a peep out of these leftist/greenies for the millions of unborn child.
And what about those who 'scream and rant' about both?
Like people can only do one or the other? Humans are capable of embracing more than one cause at a time.
And you think every Liberal, Progressive, Democrat is an actual 'abortionist'?
Don't bother to answer.. of course you do.
And I'm sure that every Conservative, Republican, Reactionary is a bloodthirsty warmonger too.
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