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What draws us to God?

posted by David Kuo | 1:47am Sunday August 5, 2007

John asked a question in response to my anteater ditty: “Ah David, is there anything that doesn’t draw you closer to God? Collapsing buildings, anteaters, the Red Sox?”
Thinker gave a great answer. Here it is in part:

One of my favorite holy guys is a Francisan priest who said – Either everything created is holy or non of it is. When we open our eyes to God’s world – Everything draws us closer to God -Everything. Dividing the world into the sacred and profane – well – it keeps us on guard and perhaps safe – but it does not teach us of God.

I think every single thing we run across will drive us closer to or further from God. It might not seem so at the time but bit by bit our journey is determined. When I write of anteaters or the Red Sox (though that is really my friend’s passion, not mine) or ice cream cones with my daughter or Bono or iphones or poverty or anything else I try and write through my God-seeing eyes. It is, regularly, an act of discipline, a challenge. But it reflects both how I do see and how I hope to see the world.



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Lance

posted August 5, 2007 at 3:46 pm


I’ll probably sound like a wacko here, but so did Jesus in His day.
My answer may also sound simplistic, but the quote comes from Jesus, not me.
The question was, “What draws us to God?”
Jesus’ answer:
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. (John 6:44)
So, the answer is: “God draws us to God.” (“us” being believers, since only they will be raised up on the last day).
Praise be to Him for drawing such unworthy people as us to His great glory!



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John

posted August 5, 2007 at 5:24 pm


David,
Well, I would have preferred that you had responded to my comments in “The Bible Biz”, but what the heck…
The difficulties I see with folks who see God in all things is that:
1) Since there is no single objective definition of ‘God’, they will naturally see ‘their’ God in all things.
2) It is a very short step from seeing (their) God in all things to imposing (their) God’s rules on everyone else.
And if the questions of the day were only about such ultimately personal issues as how cool are anteaters and ice cream cones, I wouldn’t even be commenting on your “God – (as you understand God) – centered” view of the world.
But they aren’t. The people you have worked for seek to impose (their view of) God’s will on American Public Policy ranging from intimately personal decisions (contraception use, medically assisted suicide) to what is allowed to be taught as objective science based reality (Creation Science vs Natural Selection; Big Bang vs Young Earth) to the ‘merely’ symbolic (‘One Nation Under God’, ‘In God We Trust’).
So when I sound a bit cynical about your paeans to God (as you understand God) as found in ice cream (as you understand ice cream), please know that it really isn’t about the ice cream.
But you probably already knew that.



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Kathy

posted August 5, 2007 at 6:40 pm


Thank you for this post, which resonated with me. I see/know God as equally everywhere present, running in and through all things. When we are able to see and feel the presence of God as much in ice cream, anteaters and other people as we are in a building designated as a “church”, then of course we will feel closer to God as we come to recognize him more and more. It’s like when people talk of the “holy land,” I’ve always had a knee-jerk reaction of “what??” because I would think either all land or holy, or none of it is.



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Donny

posted August 5, 2007 at 11:28 pm


I see God in the stupid actions and beliefs that so many humans think is so educated and enlightened and progressive.
We are not “evolving” into better kinds of people.
We seem exactly like Cain. Only now we kill our brothers inside the womb.



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Zero-Equals-Infinity

posted August 7, 2007 at 4:06 am


If God is God, where is God not?
Whether “i” see God or not speaks of my state, not God’s.
And here is the difficulty: Each of us has a locality from which we create images of God, and the degree to which we place faith in those images speaks of our egoic need to define and know what is quite frankly unknowable and certainly not definite.
Would that people of faith learned doubt from Thomas, humility from St. John of the Cross and Brother Lawrence, passionate desire from Rumi, love of God as God from Rabia, and theology from Meister Eckhart.
Rabia: I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. They block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God.



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