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A soldier on waterboarding

posted by David Kuo | 1:23am Thursday November 8, 2007

A former soldier, a Christian, continues the conversation on waterboarding and the Christian conscience:

For me, there are some fundamental challenges that national security issues present to a Christian world-view. Being a former citizen soldier, I have already been forced to reconcile my personal belief system with the implications of Just War Theory in order to, in good conscience, participate in the mechanics of war. However, my reconciliation was not a blending of Caesar and Christ – it was, in fact, the clear separation of the two. Natural law drove me to participate in our military while spiritual law has brought me closer to God in the midst of living in this world. Here are some the radical sayings of Christ:
* Matt 5:21-22 – Harboring angry against another is on par with murder
* 1 Jn 3:15 – Hatred is on par with murder
* Matt 5:38–39 — Don’t resist evil-doers and even turn the other cheek
* Matt 5:43-44 — Love your enemies which includes doing good to them
* Rom 12:19-21 — Don’t avenge yourselves, leave that up to God
* 1Pe 2:21-23 — Remember Christ’s example – He did not revile his torturers
* Matt 18:21-22 – Forgive multiple offenses from the same person (70 times 7)
Try writing the Sermon on the Mount into the National Defense plan. Clear enough, right? One of the provisions of natural law is the protection men from each other, but the ultimate aim is for mankind to reconcile with the entirety of the spiritual laws which Christ promised to put in our hearts. In my pragmatic view, the day the lion and lamb are led by a child will be the first day I will be willing to abolish the provisions of natural law and trust the universal goodness of mankind. Yet personally, I am responsible to implement the spiritual laws where possible.
To be clear on my position though, both Christ’s radical sayings as well as the principles of natural law are incongruous with any policies of fear or implemented by the civilized West.



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Donny

posted November 8, 2007 at 9:46 am


And Muslims agree with which one of the scriptures you quote?
Just one?



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Adam S

posted November 8, 2007 at 10:21 am


Ok Donny. Give us one scripture that supports the use of torture.



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Doug

posted November 8, 2007 at 11:21 am


Remind me again, who is for torturing?
Congratulations to the poster for a well thought-out and scripturally cited post.



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canucklehead

posted November 8, 2007 at 12:03 pm


And Jesus said unto Donny, “Do unto others according to the precedent they have set in doing unto you.”



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Jkidding

posted November 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm


Did Jesus say “Do unto others before they do unto you”



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Elvis Elvisberg

posted November 8, 2007 at 10:31 pm


Jesus was all about drawing stark lines as to who his enemies were, and insisting on torture for anyone who fell outside those lines.
I think that’s in Luke somewhere.



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RJohnson

posted November 8, 2007 at 11:04 pm


Clearly Donny is of the opinion that since the Muslim terrorists torture and brutally kill their opposition, we are in the clear to do likewise.
I thought the standard was Jesus, Donny, not your interpretation of Muslim scripture.



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Zero-Equals-Infinity

posted November 10, 2007 at 9:32 am


This is what scares me: That people that hold views like Donny will allow a Bush-like approach to foreign policy to continue. My hope is that enough citizens have had the bad taste of failure, (moral, economic, and on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan), that the idea of an ideologically driven administration will not be elected in the future. We need sane and pragmatic approaches to foreign policy that also demonstrate a commitment to the greater good, if what is wanted is for the United States to become what it has the positive potential to be. Otherwise, the religious posturing is merely tribalism with a big stick, and blasphemous to boot.



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Zero-Equals-Infinity

posted November 10, 2007 at 9:33 am


Errata: “the idea of an ideologically driven administration will be so repugnant as to be unelectable by moral people in the future”



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