The irony of the whole Iowa push polling mess - and Romney blaming it on the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law is that it was John McCain who was victimized by push polling in South Carolina in 2000: In South Carolina,...
Romney cannot escape the anti-Christain bias of his Prophet Joseph Smith. The history of Smith and his resulting "new" religion is not hidden under a rock anymore. From the foundational Mormon statment of Smith that ALL denominations were wrong, to his writings in the Doctrine nand Covenants, Mormonisn has nothing to do with Christian History except for spelling Jesus Christ in its accepted modern form, correctly. If "attacking" is a word to be used of the Mormon and Evangelical issue, please be honest and use history correctly to see that Mormons "came out of" Christian theology and do not share any of it. I would like to hear Romney talk about his eternal status as a new planet populating god. Mormons really do teach and believe that as God was man may become, as man is God once was. Why can't Mormon be honest about not being Christians? Hindu's are. Buddhists are. Muslims are. I thought we wanted our politicians to be honest. Romney versus Clinton? Forgive me Lord, my voting hand is moving to the left.
RJohnson
November 18, 2007 10:56 AM
So what you are saying, Donny, is that you would not vote for a Mormon for President, no matter how he presented himself or where he stood on issues?
aquaman
November 18, 2007 1:30 PM
From the form of Eucharistic Prayer typically used at Roman Catholic funerals (emphasis is mine):
"Welcome into your kingdom our departed brothers and sisters and all who have left this world in your friendship. There we hope to share in Your glory when every tear will be wiped away. On that day, we shall see You, our god, as You are. WE SHALL BECOME LIKE YOU and praise You forever through Christ our Lord from whom all good things come."
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Does this mean Catholics aren't Christians either?
There are so many legitimate reasons to dislike Mitt Romney; why pick on his religion? I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that this "push-poll" is a farce.
Peace.
Thinker
November 18, 2007 6:06 PM
I wouldn't vote for Romney because he lacks compassion, empathy, and judgement. I know lots of Catholics, Baptists, agnostics, Lutherans, Methodists etc with similar failures of character. Doesn't have anything to do with being Mormon, or with being Democratic or Republican but perhaps a lot to do with being very very wealthy, powerful and detached from poverty and suffering. Distrust power more than I distrust a religous worldview.
Dirty tricks are the way of the world. Bush had Rove to do his dirty tricks. There are people in every campaign willing to do such things. And we all say - well - "they did it" so we have to use such tactics.
Those who reject such tactics - well- I might be more inclined to vote for one who rejected them.
There are a lot of dirty tricks in Massachusetts - ( might look at the recent governor's race - or earlier governor's races). Both sides involved, but Mitt didn't seem in the least bothered. He's not in the least bothered by Guantanamo Bay, torture, or the suffering of anyone. This is not about being a Mormon - most of whom are compassionate, empathetic - but about a sort of human detachment that is destroying our world. My daughter put it best when she said - 'he only smiles with his mouth'.
Donny
November 19, 2007 12:56 AM
Thinker, the dirtiest tricks in Massachusetts is teaching little childreen to embrace same-gender sex in elementary schools. I wouldn't vote for Romney because of what Massachusetts is.
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Aquaman,
"Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect."
It doesn't mean we become diety. In fact Jesus said that in heaven we become "like Angels" and we don't get married. Of course, Mormon theology disagrees with Jesus. They have eternal marriages.
President George W. Bush, has been vilified, denigrated, insulted, harrassed and openly hated in the press and by the press, at many universities and on the city streets for his religious convictions, since before gaining the presidency up until this very moment. He has not whined or complained one bit.
Mormonism's history started with a statement that every Christian denomination was wrong. And more than that, they were corrupt, their preachers were (are) corrupt and none were a part of the historic Christian Church. The Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, who invented Mormonism (known as Latter Day Saints), is held as an infallible prophet. It was Smith that is held to by Mormons as correct on everything.
It is completely fair that Christians do not trust Mormons. For example, when testing Catholic theology to protestant theology, you have the same Jesus, the same Father, and the same Holy Spirit. You have the same atonement and the same salvation in Christ Jesus. Mormonism teaches something totally different when you peel back the pretty face of Mormonism and look at the truth of their "different Gospel." Their Jesus is a brother of Satan. Their God the Father is just an exalted man that became the god of "this" planet.
We find a Jesus that is not the same as the Jesus of the "original" Church that Joseph Smith claims heritage to as a prophet.
Now granted, Romney can run for office without being challenged on his religion, but it is not unfair for Christians to have great concerns about being able to vote for him.
What shouldn't go unnoticed, is that Massachusetts has sunk into an abyss of such perversion and pederastic liberal chaos, that that alone should steer Christians away from Romney.
Adam S
November 19, 2007 1:09 AM
The reason that Bush has been vilified has rarely been his religious convictions.
Jillian
November 19, 2007 4:04 AM
Donny, you should come visit us in our libertine hellhole sometime. :-)
Maybe you can come and find the time to discuss actual pederasty with our fine Archbishop. And proper teaching of children with the fine two people who compose "MassResistance". Apparently they're having some trouble lately raising their own children as straight. Since you know as a certainty that homosexuality is taught rather than congenital, and your wideranging experience is a font of knowledge, maybe you can give them a few pointers....
Btw, you might want to mark your 2009 calendar for further legalizations of gay marriage, in New Jersey and likely New York. California is probable for 2011. I even hear talk of a civil unions bill in Illinois in the next year or two. ;-)
Doug
November 19, 2007 8:50 AM
Absolutely right, Adam. The narrative is always that, though isn't it? I always thought fables should have talking animals and be told by pagans.
Thinker
November 19, 2007 9:34 AM
Donny, you might note that Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate, highest scores in education, most advanced health care system, education system and if - you have severe disabilities - there are services that actually care for you. I wish my state had the moral forethought to do what Massachusetts has done in many areas.
By the way - my brother and his wife live in Massachusetts. Have lots of neighbors including gay couples. Their neighborhood is strong, the children are happy, the schools work. Your obsession with hating gay people is not healthy. What would you do if one of your children or close friends came out to you. I suspect you would love them because you have shown yourself to be a loving man - at least most of the time. I have learned that God does not hate what I hate. God loves. the hatred and vitriol doesn't belong to God. It belongs to us.
SkipChurch
November 19, 2007 9:40 AM
You have to ask yourself if America would be better off if it were more like Massachusetts, or more like (let's say) Arkansas or South Carolina or Mississippi.
That's a no-brainer.
Thinker
November 19, 2007 9:48 AM
I've never understood the pride that comes with being backwards - having terrible schools, huge issues with crime, deprivation, and domestic violence, large prison systems rather than good schools. I am embarrassed for my own state. Massachusetts just keeps taking care of its people regardless of their ability, disability, race, sexual orientation. And Massachusetts has an extraordinarily productive economy as opposed to at least two of the states you mentioned SkipChurch.
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Romney's right, of course. There were no dirty tricks in politics until McCain-Feingold passed and it saddens me to see them start now.
An interesting take on the issue...
http://rightsfield.com/2007/11/17/and-even-curiouser/
Could it be that Romney staged this?
Romney cannot escape the anti-Christain bias of his Prophet Joseph Smith. The history of Smith and his resulting "new" religion is not hidden under a rock anymore. From the foundational Mormon statment of Smith that ALL denominations were wrong, to his writings in the Doctrine nand Covenants, Mormonisn has nothing to do with Christian History except for spelling Jesus Christ in its accepted modern form, correctly. If "attacking" is a word to be used of the Mormon and Evangelical issue, please be honest and use history correctly to see that Mormons "came out of" Christian theology and do not share any of it. I would like to hear Romney talk about his eternal status as a new planet populating god. Mormons really do teach and believe that as God was man may become, as man is God once was. Why can't Mormon be honest about not being Christians? Hindu's are. Buddhists are. Muslims are. I thought we wanted our politicians to be honest. Romney versus Clinton? Forgive me Lord, my voting hand is moving to the left.
So what you are saying, Donny, is that you would not vote for a Mormon for President, no matter how he presented himself or where he stood on issues?
From the form of Eucharistic Prayer typically used at Roman Catholic funerals (emphasis is mine):
"Welcome into your kingdom our departed brothers and sisters and all who have left this world in your friendship. There we hope to share in Your glory when every tear will be wiped away. On that day, we shall see You, our god, as You are. WE SHALL BECOME LIKE YOU and praise You forever through Christ our Lord from whom all good things come."
--------------
Does this mean Catholics aren't Christians either?
There are so many legitimate reasons to dislike Mitt Romney; why pick on his religion? I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that this "push-poll" is a farce.
Peace.
I wouldn't vote for Romney because he lacks compassion, empathy, and judgement. I know lots of Catholics, Baptists, agnostics, Lutherans, Methodists etc with similar failures of character. Doesn't have anything to do with being Mormon, or with being Democratic or Republican but perhaps a lot to do with being very very wealthy, powerful and detached from poverty and suffering. Distrust power more than I distrust a religous worldview.
Dirty tricks are the way of the world. Bush had Rove to do his dirty tricks. There are people in every campaign willing to do such things. And we all say - well - "they did it" so we have to use such tactics.
Those who reject such tactics - well- I might be more inclined to vote for one who rejected them.
There are a lot of dirty tricks in Massachusetts - ( might look at the recent governor's race - or earlier governor's races). Both sides involved, but Mitt didn't seem in the least bothered. He's not in the least bothered by Guantanamo Bay, torture, or the suffering of anyone. This is not about being a Mormon - most of whom are compassionate, empathetic - but about a sort of human detachment that is destroying our world. My daughter put it best when she said - 'he only smiles with his mouth'.
Thinker, the dirtiest tricks in Massachusetts is teaching little childreen to embrace same-gender sex in elementary schools. I wouldn't vote for Romney because of what Massachusetts is.
///
Aquaman,
"Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect."
It doesn't mean we become diety. In fact Jesus said that in heaven we become "like Angels" and we don't get married. Of course, Mormon theology disagrees with Jesus. They have eternal marriages.
President George W. Bush, has been vilified, denigrated, insulted, harrassed and openly hated in the press and by the press, at many universities and on the city streets for his religious convictions, since before gaining the presidency up until this very moment. He has not whined or complained one bit.
Mormonism's history started with a statement that every Christian denomination was wrong. And more than that, they were corrupt, their preachers were (are) corrupt and none were a part of the historic Christian Church. The Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith, who invented Mormonism (known as Latter Day Saints), is held as an infallible prophet. It was Smith that is held to by Mormons as correct on everything.
It is completely fair that Christians do not trust Mormons. For example, when testing Catholic theology to protestant theology, you have the same Jesus, the same Father, and the same Holy Spirit. You have the same atonement and the same salvation in Christ Jesus. Mormonism teaches something totally different when you peel back the pretty face of Mormonism and look at the truth of their "different Gospel." Their Jesus is a brother of Satan. Their God the Father is just an exalted man that became the god of "this" planet.
We find a Jesus that is not the same as the Jesus of the "original" Church that Joseph Smith claims heritage to as a prophet.
Now granted, Romney can run for office without being challenged on his religion, but it is not unfair for Christians to have great concerns about being able to vote for him.
What shouldn't go unnoticed, is that Massachusetts has sunk into an abyss of such perversion and pederastic liberal chaos, that that alone should steer Christians away from Romney.
The reason that Bush has been vilified has rarely been his religious convictions.
Donny, you should come visit us in our libertine hellhole sometime. :-)
Maybe you can come and find the time to discuss actual pederasty with our fine Archbishop. And proper teaching of children with the fine two people who compose "MassResistance". Apparently they're having some trouble lately raising their own children as straight. Since you know as a certainty that homosexuality is taught rather than congenital, and your wideranging experience is a font of knowledge, maybe you can give them a few pointers....
Btw, you might want to mark your 2009 calendar for further legalizations of gay marriage, in New Jersey and likely New York. California is probable for 2011. I even hear talk of a civil unions bill in Illinois in the next year or two. ;-)
Absolutely right, Adam. The narrative is always that, though isn't it? I always thought fables should have talking animals and be told by pagans.
Donny, you might note that Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate, highest scores in education, most advanced health care system, education system and if - you have severe disabilities - there are services that actually care for you. I wish my state had the moral forethought to do what Massachusetts has done in many areas.
By the way - my brother and his wife live in Massachusetts. Have lots of neighbors including gay couples. Their neighborhood is strong, the children are happy, the schools work. Your obsession with hating gay people is not healthy. What would you do if one of your children or close friends came out to you. I suspect you would love them because you have shown yourself to be a loving man - at least most of the time. I have learned that God does not hate what I hate. God loves. the hatred and vitriol doesn't belong to God. It belongs to us.
You have to ask yourself if America would be better off if it were more like Massachusetts, or more like (let's say) Arkansas or South Carolina or Mississippi.
That's a no-brainer.
I've never understood the pride that comes with being backwards - having terrible schools, huge issues with crime, deprivation, and domestic violence, large prison systems rather than good schools. I am embarrassed for my own state. Massachusetts just keeps taking care of its people regardless of their ability, disability, race, sexual orientation. And Massachusetts has an extraordinarily productive economy as opposed to at least two of the states you mentioned SkipChurch.
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