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The abortion problem

posted by David Kuo | 9:01am Monday November 5, 2007

Stories like these are why the abortion fight won’t ever disappear. They may actually show how the power of technology will do what no abortion protestor ever did and what no law could ever do – change hearts and minds about unborn children. The story also shows the dreadful limits of medical knowledge.

When doctors found that Gabriel was weaker than his brother, with an enlarged heart, and believed he was going to die in the womb, his mother Rebecca Jones had to make a heartbreaking decision.
Doctors told her his death could cause his twin brother to die too before they were born, and that it would be better to end Gabriel’s suffering sooner rather than later.
Mrs Jones decided to let doctors operate to terminate Gabriel’s life.
Firstly they tried to sever his umbilical cord to cut off his blood supply, but the cord was too strong.
They then cut Mrs Jones’s placenta in half so that when Gabriel died, it would not affect his twin brother.
But after the operation which was meant to end his life, tiny Gabriel had other ideas.
Although he weighed less than a pound, he put up such a fight for survival that doctors called him Rocky.
Astonishingly, he managed to carry on living in his mother’s womb for another five weeks – until the babies were delivered by caesarean section.
Now he and Ieuan are back at home in Stoke – and are so close they are always holding each other’s hand.



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Phil DeBrier

posted November 5, 2007 at 12:14 pm


This is a touching story, but I would have to take exception to the comment about “dreadful limits” to medical knowledge. The doctors were presented with a case where history would, more often then not, tell you that to take no action would result in the deaths of both children. That’s the disadvantage of actually having to work with flesh and blood – the outcomes are not always going to match what the textbook, or case history says.
Now, for the fun part – what does this story demand in terms of policy? To we insist that doctors do nothing, or resort to heroic measures? From my perspective, this is actually a good example of the choice in a situation like this to be left between doctor and patient, only because I’m sure that there are also plenty of examples out there of case history where inaction resulted in the deaths of both babies. The maddening part of trying to set “policy” is that the uncertainty principle here almost dictates that in any given situation there could never be an outcome pleasing to all parties.
Cheers….Phil



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Doug

posted November 5, 2007 at 12:14 pm


That’s a great story. An Australian writer named Peter Carey wrote a novel called “The Illiwhacker” in which one of the characters is born after several failed attempts to abort him.
Behind the politcs is this: Whatever the law says and whomever’s elected, sinful people in a fallen world will always make impossible choices to unexpected results. That is life and so much fun, I’d hate to deny it to anyone.



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Larry Parker

posted November 5, 2007 at 2:31 pm


But for every case of an offer of a medically needed abortion rejected where the baby lived, there are inevitably others where catastrophic consequences occurred for mother or child. This case has gained international attention:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2038739,00.html
And these are just the cases where the mother believes abortion is deeply wrong but nevertheless may have exceedingly strong medical reasons to go against that.
What about the fact that many people (to be blunt) don’t share your religious/moral belief in the ultimate evil of abortion?



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just_curious

posted November 5, 2007 at 2:55 pm

James

posted November 5, 2007 at 3:29 pm


It should be kept in mind that much of the “abortion” debate revolves around the question of when life begins. Most supporters of choice do not believe life begins at conception.



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Donny

posted November 5, 2007 at 7:49 pm


James,
Life begins when you make over a million dollars and have it in your bank account. Those that don’t, do not have the right to talk for themselves. Their lives will be decided upon by the millionaires.
It’s ALL about choice.
LIFE is the ONLY Pro Choice.
But human life is something that can be sceintifically proven to begin the moment of conception. All DNA is present. “You” were James with all of the DNA to make you what you are right this moment, as soon as sperm and ovum united as one.
Hmmm, some kind of Biblical message is buzzing in my head . . .



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Jillian

posted November 5, 2007 at 8:27 pm


For fair comparison, I’m not seeing the tragic stories of the sixtuplets or septuplets of which three, four, five, or even all die shortly after delivery because the mother refused to abort any. In that case, the excuse given for the outcome is usually the cop-out of “it was God’s will”.
These particular miracle stories sadly root in a formal theology of fetishism, I’m sorry to say. Strip out the slants or appeals to that belief, to selfexcusing supernaturally ordained weakness and the magical object that overcomes it, and they are pragmatic, deeply melancholy, human stories.
Individually, abortion of course will remain as ever a personal dilemma for most. Collectively, national support for a complete ban on abortions has dropped so far that it has no realistic prospects. In 10-15 years, when the preBoomers have left us, it may well be an issue roughly on par with prohibitions on interracial marriage.



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Larry Parker

posted November 5, 2007 at 10:00 pm


JC:
Good catch on the Wills commentary.



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freya

posted November 6, 2007 at 9:33 am

Joe

posted November 6, 2007 at 10:10 pm


James, we’ve been able to arrive at a consensus without resolving the question of whether or not life begins at conception. What makes surgical abortion any different? Detection of a hearbeat is a well established standard for determining if someone is alive, and it doesn’t depend on religion. If a heartbeat can be detected prior to a surgical abortion, what difference does it make whether life begins at conception or at some other point prior to the abortion?



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Joe

posted November 8, 2007 at 12:55 am


Either I was very tired when I wrote the last posting or it was censored. Consequently, the first sentence doesn’t make sense. I’ll try this again, without any direct reference to inf*****ide, and hope that it makes it through. My point was that we currently prohibit killing of a human being subsequent to birth, even though we have not resolved the question of whether or not life begins at conception. We are able to do this, because we agree that life has begun by the time of birth, even though we are not in agreement on precisely when life begins. Democracy is about finding points of agreement, regardless of what differences may remain. Therefore, surgical abortions must be debated separately from the morning after pill. It is not necessary to determine whether or not life begins at conception in order to arrive at a consensus against surgical abortions.



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Joe

posted November 8, 2007 at 12:59 am


Either I was very tired when I wrote the last posting or it was censored. Consequently, the first sentence doesn’t make sense. I’ll try this again, without any direct reference to inf*****ide, and hope that it makes it through. My point was that we currently prohibit killing of a human being subsequent to birth, even though we have not resolved the question of whether or not life begins at conception. We are able to do this, because we agree that life has begun by the time of birth, even though we are not in agreement on precisely when life begins. Democracy is about finding points of agreement, regardless of what differences may remain. Therefore, surgical abortions must be debated separately from the morning after pill. It is not necessary to determine whether or not life begins at conception in order to arrive at a consensus against surgical abortions.



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