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posted by David Kuo | 2:55pm Monday December 17, 2007

Here is the sermon Senior Pastor Brady Boyd preached yesterday in response to the shootings at New Life Church last week. I couldn’t find a direct link but it is prominently featured in the upper left hand corner. It is called, “The Test of Tribulation.” It matters.



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petros

posted December 17, 2007 at 4:35 pm


Sorry, David. Usually, I think your view on anything faith is spot on. This sermon I found to be more like,”Nyah, nyah, nyah, we’re Christians and you’re not!!!!’ ‘We’re in this wonderful, Godly place, and you’re not!’ ”Nyah, nyah, God’s protecting us and not you!’
Good grief. Get off your Charismatic theological horse already, Pastor Boyd.



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Doug

posted December 17, 2007 at 4:54 pm


I had mixed feelings listening as well. It can be a little painful hearing people declare what God meant to do through events. But, grieving is given to us, always uncomortably and we do well to support each other through it.



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Donny

posted December 17, 2007 at 10:39 pm


The slaughtering of peaceful Christians goes on throughout the world with hardly a notice and certainly no voice of opposition from any other source but fellow Christians. You can bet the progressives, liberals and secularists are not going to raise an eyebrow in any college or university classroom anywhere over the murder of peaceful, harmless and unarmed Christians. It’s interesting to find out that the first Christian martyrs after John the Baptist, Christ Jesus Himself and Stephen, also, came across as somewhat insulting to their attackers and without doubt confident and sure of themselves in the position they held against their adversaries. Look up Polycarp: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm Here’s a glimpse of historic Christian confidence: Chapter 11. No threats have any effect on Polycarp. The proconsul then said to him, “I have wild beasts at hand; to these will I cast you, unless you repent.” But he answered, “Call them then, for we are not accustomed to repent of what is good in order to adopt that which is evil; and it is well for me to be changed from what is evil to what is righteous.” But again the proconsul said to him, “I will cause you to be consumed by fire, seeing you despise the wild beasts, if you will not repent.” But Polycarp said, “You threaten me with fire which burns for an hour, and after a little is extinguished, but are ignorant of the fire of the coming judgment and of eternal punishment, reserved for the ungodly. But why do you tarry? Bring forth what you will.”



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Donny

posted December 17, 2007 at 10:42 pm


The confidence of Christians even when being murdered is historic: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm (read chapter 11)



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Jake

posted December 18, 2007 at 1:42 am


Donny said: “You can bet the progressives, liberals and secularists are not going to raise an eyebrow in any college or university anywhere over the murder of peaceful, harmless and unarmed Christians.”
Seriously Donny . . . you are so out of touch with reality that it boggles the mind. Do you even know any so-called “progressives, liberals, and secularists”?



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Jillian

posted December 18, 2007 at 2:29 am


You’ve seemingly forgotten about the Donatist Christians, Donny. Who would famously go out and kill local pagans in order to provoke the pagans into killing them, thereby achieving martyrdom. There’s often a suicidal element to martyrdom that is difficult to respect from a Modern point of view- look at the death of Boniface, for example.
If you’re going to complain about liberals not caring about innocent Christians getting massacred, you might want to look closely at specifics. Take for example the recent religious strife in Indonesia, which is widely propagandized as “persecution” among American Christians. Look up the underlying facts of the “Poso Three” story and show us the innocent Christians in that, so innocent that they massacred 200 Muslim Indonesians. Or consider the arguably worst Christian-identified thing on the African continent, the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda.
I don’t remember conservative American Christians breaking out in great outrage when the nuns were massacred in El Salvador, or Bishop Oscar Romero was killed at the altar. I hear nothing from conservative American Christians about supporting Palestinian Christians, or the Maronite Christians of Lebanon, or the Nestorian Christians of Iraq. Nothing about helping the Copts, or the Christians of Ethiopia, or those of Nigeria.
I only hear conservative American Christians go into “outrage” when they are prevented from expanding their own reach. When their designs to achieve mental colonization, to prey on the weakest elements of societies not respected, and “harvest of souls” they can credit to themselves, are thwarted. When they can blame Muslims for anything, who seem to be the permissible new version of Jews in the sense of their supposed inherent perfidy and accusations resembling blood libels against them.



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Doug

posted December 18, 2007 at 7:54 am


Donny, the whining of Christians when being mildly inconvenienced is as prevalent.



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Chris

posted December 18, 2007 at 2:35 pm


That was very powerful stuff.
and that anyone could come out of hearing that sermon and start (or participate in) some argument about whether Christians are superior to liberals (or vice versa) – as if they are mutually exclusive groups – tells me that they might have listened to that sermon, but they didn’t hear it.



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Larry Parker

posted December 18, 2007 at 7:59 pm


David:
I think the perspective of your friend Patton Dodd (aka “BeliefnetChristianity”) is important, too (HTTP://)
community.beliefnet.com/blogs/3790



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