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Unplugged on Romney

Thursday December 6, 2007

Categories: Politics

Wow, got this from a very influential evangelical friend:

I don’t think most evangelicals are afraid that a President Romney will impose his esoteric Mormon morality on the rest of us. We’re not really worried he’ll try to ban caffeine (though Huckabee might), or hand out tax breaks for special underwear.


We’re afraid that nominating a Mormon will legitimize a cult.


Maybe there’s something Romney can say to assuage that fear. He didn’t say it today. It was a waste of time to reprise Kennedy’s speech.


Which makes his faith a legitimate concern for GOP primary voters. Why? Because Mitt will depress turnout. Many voters who might otherwise pull the GOP lever will stay home debating whether it’s worse to mainstream Mormonism forever or let Nurse Ratched take over the asylum for four years. Therefore, faith aside, he’s the wrong choice because he’s less likely to win.


It doesn’t matter how convincingly Romney claims he’ll compartmentalize his faith. Nor does it matter if, say, Romney makes the Huckster his veep. In fact, Romney taints the ticket whether he’s the presidential OR the vice presidential nominee.

This is what a lot of evangelicals really think but are afraid to say publicly.

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Jillian
December 11, 2007 7:19 PM


Well, MoSW, if evangelicals could in fact draw the proper theological line in the traditional place, placing the practices and theologies of the historical occultic Christian heresies beyond the pale.

The problem is, it would, very embarrassingly, put many of their fellow evangelicals if not themselves on the wrong side of the line.

I'm always struck by how contemporary public conservative Christian theology tends to avoid what historical theology invariably emphasizes, which is to use the historical heresies (Arianism, Pelagianism, Manichaeanism, Gnosis, Marcionism, Socinianism, syncretism, etc.) as definitive of what kinds of beliefs and practices are not compatible with Christianity.

Ministry of Silly Walks
December 11, 2007 11:37 PM

Oops, I meant to say, "I do agree with others that we are coming dangerously close to some sort of religious test..." Sorry!

Jillian, I would agree that contemporary evangelicalism is by and large woefully ignorant of Christian history, especially pre-Reformation history, which, of course, makes us susceptible to all sorts of silliness, error, and, indeed, outright heresy. Quite ironic, isn't it?

KLBA1
December 12, 2007 3:23 PM

I think it's sad how we, whatever our religion or political affiliation, are letting the wool be pulled over our eyes by candidates and their advisers who think that we, as citizens and voters, are not able to vote on issues but have to find the "candidate who most believes like I do" or in many cases "who doesn't believe what I don't believe." It's a sad thing when the nation that used to have political discourse at the level of "The Federalist Papers" has to listen to candidates spew this sort of self-confessional talk show silliness. The media keeps telling us that "people of faith" will only vote for candidates who say/confess a particular thing. Is that actually TRUE? Or is it just something we all think is true because certain people say it so loudly and so often?

Sage Boman
December 16, 2007 7:52 PM

A MESSGAE TO ALL, HERE IS THE TRUTH

"We’re afraid that nominating a Mormon will legitimize a cult."

Mr. Kuo, respectfully, I believe you know very well that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Siants is anything but a cult. I tell you and all who read this humbly that the Church of Jeus Christ of Latter-Day Siants is in very fact the Church that Jesue Christ himself established in the New Testament.

Jesus Christ is the son of our Heavenly Father. He died on the cross and was resurrected on the third day. He lives today with a body of flesh and bone, that is why said to his disciples..."Handle me and see, for a spirt hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have." We as members of his Church beleive that. I am a member of the Church under specualtion. I have grown up in this Church and never at anytime be taught that salvation cometh through another person other than Jesus Chrsit the son of God.

Joseph Smith saw Jesus Christ and the Father, everyonoe's Heavenly Father. It's as real as anything in the world. Jesus Christ was rejected by many, but that didn't change the fact that he is who he is. The Savior of all mankind. Please look at "mormon.org" if you really want to know about this wonderful Church. -Sage

Sage Boman
December 16, 2007 8:01 PM

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the Chruch that Christ established in the New Testament. He built it with prophets and apostles. The Church has apostles today look at this! The words of a living apostle of the Lord. Go to mormon.org to learn more!

The apostle's name is Jeffrey R Holland. I copied them from lds.org and have pasted them here because I suppose not many of our friends from other faiths have made it over to the website. :-)

"A related reason The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is excluded from the Christian category by some is because we believe, as did the ancient prophets and apostles, in an embodied—but certainly glorified—God.17 To those who criticize this scripturally based belief, I ask at least rhetorically: If the idea of an embodied God is repugnant, why are the central doctrines and singularly most distinguishing characteristics of all Christianity the Incarnation, the Atonement, and the physical Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ? If having a body is not only not needed but not desirable by Deity, why did the Redeemer of mankind redeem His body, redeeming it from the grasp of death and the grave, guaranteeing it would never again be separated from His spirit in time or eternity?18 Any who dismiss the concept of an embodied God dismiss both the mortal and the resurrected Christ. No one claiming to be a true Christian will want to do that.

Now, to anyone within the sound of my voice who has wondered regarding our Christianity, I bear this witness. I testify that Jesus Christ is the literal, living Son of our literal, living God. This Jesus is our Savior and Redeemer who, under the guidance of the Father, was the Creator of heaven and earth and all things that in them are. I bear witness that He was born of a virgin mother, that in His lifetime He performed mighty miracles observed by legions of His disciples and by His enemies as well. I testify that He had power over death because He was divine but that He willingly subjected Himself to death for our sake because for a period of time He was also mortal. I declare that in His willing submission to death He took upon Himself the sins of the world, paying an infinite price for every sorrow and sickness, every heartache and unhappiness from Adam to the end of the world. In doing so He conquered both the grave physically and hell spiritually and set the human family free. I bear witness that He was literally resurrected from the tomb and, after ascending to His Father to complete the process of that Resurrection, He appeared, repeatedly, to hundreds of disciples in the Old World and in the New. I know He is the Holy One of Israel, the Messiah who will one day come again in final glory, to reign on earth as Lord of lords and King of kings. I know that there is no other name given under heaven whereby a man can be saved and that only by relying wholly upon His merits, mercy, and everlasting grace19 can we gain eternal life.

My additional testimony regarding this resplendent doctrine is that in preparation for His millennial latter-day reign, Jesus has already come, more than once, in embodied majestic glory. In the spring of 1820, a 14-year-old boy, confused by many of these very doctrines that still confuse much of Christendom, went into a grove of trees to pray. In answer to that earnest prayer offered at such a tender age, the Father and the Son appeared as embodied, glorified beings to the boy prophet Joseph Smith. That day marked the beginning of the return of the true, New Testament gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and the restoration of other prophetic truths offered from Adam down to the present day.

I testify that my witness of these things is true and that the heavens are open to all who seek the same confirmation. Through the Holy Spirit of Truth, may we all know “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom [He has] sent.”20 Then may we live Their teachings and be true Christians in deed, as well as in word, I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen."

There you have it! Isn't it great to know the truth! You are invited to mormon.org as well. :-)

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