Welcome to old-fashioned politics. Ok, my thoughts: - McCain did it. His late wins in California and Missouri are huge. He is on his way to the nomination. But the fight is far from over and it will get...
I read somewhere in the coverage that Hillary Clinton won the "made up their mind in the last 24 hours" vote which argues against the movement theory. But, Barack Obama took 100% of the independent vote in one Santa Clarita, CA precinct between 2:15 and 2:30 PST today.
a
February 6, 2008 4:56 AM
The most interesting thing about the Democratic vote was how Obama dominated in the caucus states. Granted, their delegate count was not huge, but what's behind that?
Donny (Psalm 51, me too.)
February 6, 2008 8:06 AM
But, Mr Kuo, this country "from The Left," is rejecting God, and countering Him with the typical replacements. We are witnessing our culture and country become infected with the anti-Christ power of the secular Leftists. Even if they call themselves "Christian," their foundation is on the very things we were warned against in the Bible. The Democrats seem hell-bent to take America back in time to the kinds of civilizations that failed do to decadence and immorality. Their "base" simply will not look around society and see the moral and social decay is from everything The Left holds near and dear. It is if the drowned people of Noah's day are back in the bodies of Progressives and Liberals. And as anyone with eyes to see with and ears to hear, this infection has been caught by some in the GOP.
I guess there is no stopping prophecy from being fulfilled.
The Left is gathering around them teachers and preachers to give their itching ears what they want to hear.
It's amazing to watch decency and good morals called a phobia and hatred, and the most sick and evil people and behaviors being held up as civil rights issues. And, it's incredible to watch the youth of America following those that debauched them. The Humanists (Liberals, Progressives, Democrats one and all), with their neo-pederasty and promises have grown their chickens, that are coming home to roost in the voting booths across America.
God will not be mocked. As the anti-Christ has been perverting Europe, as we watch its decline, America can only be saved at the rejection of Leftist threats that is now gripping its throat and squeezing in likewise manner.
The Democrats (and their supporters), re-creating Noah's time or Lot's . . .? It's hard to see which one will emerge sooner than the other.
blendahtom
February 6, 2008 8:45 AM
Hi David,
I think that the early voting in Cali really skewed those poll #'s allot.. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out in the next 2 weeks as Obama has a chance to really pick up some steam w/ some primary's and caucuses ahead that favor him.. he will need this to overcome the advantage that Clinton will have in Texas / Ohio / Penn..
Larry Parker
February 6, 2008 10:57 AM
(David -- I originally posted this on Rod Dreher's CC blog)
Rod:
I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the results last night -- particularly in California. (The Napolitano and Kennedy endorsements didn't help in Arizona and Massachusetts, which wasn't good for Obama, either.)
According to the exit polls, Obama no longer has a black-brown problem -- he has a black-brown/yellow problem.
And the problem with the City Journal article (very good, by the way) you identify is that it isn't that blacks are voting against Clinton and Asians and Latinos are voting for her. (In New York, believe me, establishment blacks are very much in the former First Lady's corner, even if Obama obviously dominates nationwide.) Quite the opposite -- it appears blacks are voting FOR Obama and Asians and Latinos are voting AGAINST him.
There are two possible explanations -- one less than charitable and one nihilistic. The less than charitable one says, "Hey, Al Gore visited the Buddhist Temple; we can be comfortable with the Democratic Party establishment" or "Cesar Chavez and Bobby Kennedy worked side by side, so if Bobby Kennedy the younger endorses Clinton, we have to listen."
The nihilistic interpretation is that, to many supposedly liberal Asians and Latinos, Barack Obama is no better than the thugs who beat up Reginald Denny within an inch of his life at Florence and Normandie in 1992 -- and that the Rodney King riots still shape their consciousness of who they will vote and NOT vote for. (Even if, ironically, the real firebrand of the riots, Maxine Waters, was in Clinton's camp.)
Now Obama has to win the Texas primary to stay in the race. And even if, as his Chicago backer Congressman Gutierrez has been begging for weeks, Obama ramps up his Latino outreach ... Rod, you know far more about Texas politics than I ever will, but I don't think it's even POSSIBLE for Obama to win the Lone Star State.
Thinker
February 6, 2008 11:00 AM
On target David. Off target Donny
The Dems have two good candidates. I suspect if Hilary is nominated - she'll need Obama on the ticket. If he is nominated, he'll bring the fold together. I'm not sure why Romney stays in. Still can't figure out why he's running to be truthful. Huckabee - think he's trying for #2 slot? Don't think McCain will go there, but you never know. I worry about McCain's age. We need energy and sharpness - don't think that can sustain under the pressures of the presidency. Good man - wish he was about 6 years younger. This isn't ageism - I'm old and I know what happens. It's reality.
Obama said that he would not enter the race unless he could raise the level of discourse. At first that was his primary goal. When I recall the last 4 campaigns, I think he has done that. We have been in the pigpit and simply don't know there's anything bigger than that. I think Obama has taken us up a couple of notches. Even the media is incrementally better than a few years ago. Some of the real nutcases are being marginalized and their voices no longer pass for mainstream. I guess that is better. There is still the desire for scandal and the avoidance of issues on the part of the media - but perhaps this very long debate season is changing that.
Here in Missouri - it was quite a night. Clinton claims it and Obama took it. Across the road in Kansas, it call came down to a couple of polling places in Overland Park. My kid called from Colorado - she was happy with the results there. This thing has lasted forever - ever since the disaster began to be recognized in the White House - but perhaps that had purpose. We will have the best choices in many years and perhaps an enthused electorate that knows something about what is going on. Let us hope that is true.
Donny (Psalm 51, me too.)
February 6, 2008 2:19 PM
What achievements has Obama accomplished? I'm not impressed with a Harvard Graduate leading our country. Just getting elected as a Senator from Illinois, isn't much of anything. And like I've already written, Chicago's inner-city is a true example of our violent and perverted culture. If that is something to proud of, America will be at the bottom of the slippery slide that Liberal legislation and lifestyle has pushed us to when Hilary and Barack is through with it.
And Hilary is not running for First Lady. Bill is. Being the wife of a President, and obviously, just being a Senator, isn't a reason to vote someone in as President.
Obama speaks well, and Mrs. Clinton is bossy. So is the guy selling cars in my home town. He also is a Democrat and filthy rich. And not many people trust his words either.
I believe if Huckabee wouldn't have been sooooo Christian in Iowa, he'd be the GOP nominee (almost) already. But the animosity that Christians garner from the Hollywood/Leftist media, and the slamming that any non Neo-Con gets from Right-Wing talk radio "pundits" is staggering.
Huckabee's is the story of this election. Too bad he's a morally sound guy.
I'm girding myself to live like Lot if either of the two Democrats get in. Thankfully neither my daughter or I drink wine. And my wife will never look back at this culture if we are forced to leave it. Obama is a nice enough guy, don't get me wrong, it's just the things he represents, are not.
PatientWitness
February 6, 2008 2:41 PM
Jeez, Donny, your sexual imaginings just get weirder and weirder. First your obsession with pederasty, and now incest? Get some help, man....
Thinker
February 6, 2008 3:18 PM
Just listened to Obama's book on my IPOD - the one about his youth and conversions - social, religious and political. Donny - I think you would be surprised to read it. I'm going to read McCain's book and I already read Hilary's 2 books. Does Mitt have one - perhaps the Max Hedroom comic? Haven't seen one by Huckabee, but would read it if there was. Barack has organized people to take care of their problems. This is a Big deal. He has gone through adolescence and young adulthood, come through with an understanding of the forces that cause rage and political impotence. He has come to know Jesus as his savior and is humble in the knowing. I think Hilary has had a similar life journey. McCain went through torture and terror and somehow survived to serve others. I think getting through life without rage, cynicism and with a sense that this American people is essentially good - is something of a miracle in any life. Someone once told me that saints are those who get past 50 without being overwhelmed by cynicism. There is still a sense of admiration of one another.
Donny, I admire your passion, but am put off completely by your bitter version of Christianity - it simply has nothing to do with Jesus as I have come to know him. Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, McCain - all of them are not living their lives in rage and vengeance - all of them believe we are capable of more. When you can get there Donny - when your perceptions are less suspicious, more hopeful, less vengeful and rage filled and more caring of those who seemingly do not deserve it - then - perhaps these conversations will be fruitful. Right now - most skip your posts completely. Conversation must be between people who are both beloved and respected. My perception is that there are moments we see the real Donny and more moments when we see the one who will not see us beyond any stereotypical superficial version. What do you think Jesus would say to you? I wonder every day what he would say to me. It's a correction in attitude most of the time -my ego and need to be right vs - Jesus. Jesus wins a good deal of the time - other times (marked by a need for vengeance ) ego wins. A priest friend of mine said once that the people who are most dangerous to the Gospel are those who are certain that they have the true version of it. Bless you Donny and bless your wife and family. But do not expect to convert anyone to your version of the Gospel. It is just yours.
PatientWitness
February 6, 2008 4:20 PM
Max Headroom - hahahahahaha!
Blue Moon
February 6, 2008 5:30 PM
Donny:
Please provide a cogent, thoughtful post on the horrible things that Obama represents. BTW, when Huckabee was doing his best George Wallace impression in S.C. talking about the confederate flag, was that Christ-like?
Bob M
February 6, 2008 9:16 PM
People say that Obama has no executive or managerial experience to speak of. Yet he has crafted, in an amazingly short time, a tremedously effective grass-roots political organization that has derailed the juggernaut that the Hillary campaign was supposed to be.
Friend or foe, you have to admit that the Clintons are consumate politicans and organizers and they have been planning this campaign to some degree or another for eight years (at least). Today, he has a war chest that is twice the size of Hillary's despite her $5 million contribution to herself and heavy bankrolling from some big time lobbyists. Obama got it all from private donation, many of them, including mine, well under $100 apiece.
Obama has launched himself from near total obscurity to serious contender for the presidency in record time and he has overseen the organization that did it. That is an immensely impressive feat of organizational and managerial skill. And one that outshines the person who claims she will be ready on Day One.
Brian Horan
February 7, 2008 2:30 AM
"Remember it was the evangelical and conservative political leadership that declared Huckabee "too liberal" on taxes, ending torture, spending on welfare programs, and on foreign policy. They labeled him as too theologically liberal as well."
That's the problem with evangelicals: they declare a lot against a lot of folks. Evangelical Christianity is basically a conglomeration of condemnation. Even down to the level of cottage industry
*Just check out Donny's/Psalms 51's posts.*
Bren
February 7, 2008 7:11 AM
Well SUPER TUESDAY is over and I am one disappointed person. How the heck did McCain pull this off - why the heck are all the Reppublican Conservatives voting for him. Just pray I guess - we sure are going to be in a pickle for next four years with McCain, BILLARY or Obama. What a choice
Jillian
February 7, 2008 6:22 PM
Obama has launched himself from near total obscurity to serious contender for the presidency in record time and he has overseen the organization that did it. That is an immensely impressive feat of organizational and managerial skill.
You assume, without evidence, that it's all his own doing. He's getting an awful lot of help from conservative, mostly Red State, Democratic organizations and officials who fear a November election with Hillary as nominee. An unwise misassessment, in my opinion, but understandable in that Hillary winning means their internalized conservatism and weakness will lose legitimacy and justification.
Donny (Psalm 51, me too.)
February 8, 2008 8:58 AM
Donny:
Please provide a cogent, thoughtful post on the horrible things that Obama represents. BTW, when Huckabee was doing his best George Wallace impression in S.C. talking about the confederate flag, was that Christ-like?
Posted by: Blue Moon
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Sacficifing your children by killing them, so your life will be better, AND, the sexual depravity of the world in which Obama claims to have worked to make better, show his way of life as evil. What Liberals and Progressives actually DO, is more akin to Molech worship than what the Apostles encouraged believers to "do."
He willing supports AND encourages abortion and sexual perversion. He opposes the words of Christ Jesus and the Apostles that brought us "The faith delivered only once to the saints."
You may be ignorant of what a Christian should "do," but only because of Obama's Humanist perspective and social stances devaluing and disregarding a morality that would truly better the lives of those suffering and dying in his inner-cities.
Obama's politics are an immoral Robin Hood perversion as well. The Democrats desire to enslave the hard-working honest familes of America and take their money by force. Marxist socialism is not a good thing, nor is Humanism, and yet the Democrats represent these belief systems in actuality.
He wants to "talk" with people that have proven for over a thousand-years that they do not care about others rights to reject Islam. Never forget that an education is nothing more than passing tests, when you enter the edcuation system corrupted and to corrupt others. Look at the inventor of the Kwanzza that Obama and his Church follow. It is absolutley pure racism. And yet, Obama is cheered for his behaviors.
In Obama's political morality, children are taken away from their parents as soon as they enter the school system and are indoctrinated into a perverse world where history and morality are altered to create a Humanist society. It is a fact that children must be taught that homosexuality and sexual promiscuity is a good thing and that any disagreement with that is hate and intolerance. This kind of sick immorality has already killed millions and millions of innocent AND guilty people. Yet the liars of Leftist rants claim to be against the death penalty. Parents are stripped of their parental rights by the reprobates that purposely attack everything that is not designed to perpetuate humainsm. I wouldn't care so much if Liberal-Progressives wanted to destroy their own children, that's their perverse right I suppose, but they should be opposed with equal force by parents that love their children in ways that do not support this secularism that is worshipped by every Democrat Liberal progressive in this country.
Mike Huckabee stood for "State rights" on the rebel flag issue. I never understood why a loser's flag would be held to respect anyway, but I can understand Huckabee's stance for free speech and the constitution of America actually being applied. You know, the way the Leftists do to support other horrible things. Leftists use the same reasoning to promote pornography and sodomy to children. So, I'm OK with kicking out Southern rebels and Liberals in one fell swoop. But it should be done state to state, not by Progressive rule uber alles. Hollywood, which is sending millions and millions of dollars to Obama literally was built on porn and sodomy morality, but I'm thinking you'll turn a blind eye to that in the voting booth. If you want to get rid of the First Amendment to be able to rid the country of Liberalism and racism . . ., I am with you there. We could do away with things like racist Kwanzaa as a "hoilday" and get rid of the Gay Agenda in one great moment in history. The First Amendment is not my God, it's the god of the Left. Curbing perversion isn't a bad idea to those of us "on the right."
It is Christ-like to allow people to choose to reject Christ if that is what they desire. I also cannot understand why Christians waste their time on Liberals, Progressives and thoose of the rainbow flag cult.
Jesus (literally the Christ-like guy) said you will know His followers by their fruits. I'm thinking slaughtered children for convenience and sexual depravity are not good fruits. How 'bout you?
Oh but . . ., you Leftists say we should "tolerate" diversity. I'll remember that, the next time I hear about a pregnant twelve-year old inner-city child (by a man with seven other children from severn other "females," as they say in the inner-city), or, as I pass by the young male prostitutes outside the gay bars in any big city I'm driving through.
Blue Moon, hmm, some kind of pun in there . . .,
I'm thinking our little excercise in reality won't have you as happy as you thought it would.
I'll give you my email if you need any more reality lessons.
Donny (Psalm 51, me too.)
February 8, 2008 9:57 AM
"Conversation must be between people who are both beloved and respected. My perception is that there are moments we see the real Donny and more moments when we see the one who will not see us beyond any stereotypical superficial version. What do you think Jesus would say to you? I wonder every day what he would say to me."
Posted by: Thinker | February 6, 2008 3:18 PM
Thinker,
For two-decades I have heard that voice. I work with the shattered lives of shattered children discarded and abandoned by the "way of life" championed by Progressives and Liberals. Literally cemented into life by Democrat legislation. I am hearing - though I don't like the tiny salary of the field- to continue working with children whose lascivious licentious parents (the word is used ONLY biologically), that have followed the fruits of Humanism, that is the foundation of everything Liberal and Progressive.
It was in the study of history and the working with real people in the real world, that has brought me to my conclusiions of the inherent evil of "The Left." If you'll study, honestly, you will see the Humanist Manifesto of a group of atheist elitist's driving the agenda of Liberal/Progressive politics.
"IF," a person claims to be a Christian, and imbibes the Humanist culture, that needs to be illuminated. That is what Love is. People are dying in the millions because of what Liberals believe in and force on people. Children don't have a choice. You seem quite intelligent, and yet you give worth and credence to a social system: Liberalism, Progressive ideology and humanism, that is as corrupt and degenerate as any in the ancient world of pagan abominations.
The study of Molech worship, Pederasty, hedonism, and the love of lust, and you see the current world created by Liberal, Progressive and Humanist endeavors. Start with abortion. It is vastly more used for the betterment of the parents, that the child dies. That it is "sacrificed" for the Liberal agenda of death to inconvenient children. Now we are at point in our history, where, yet again, same-gender sex is coming into vogue. It, is not the main reason of degeneracy controlling a society, but it is one of the final phases of the death of that culture and civilization that embraces insanity as a reasonable choice. Hig taxes are the sign of a decadent and corrupt leadership that has no ability to maintain decent moral growth of its populace. Taxes are literally slavery and extortion.
Thinker, those incredibly bad things are championed by Liberals, Progressives and Democrats. The Democrat way of life is now completely Humanist through and through. Because, byt their fruits you do know them.
Why is that unseemly or un-Christian to speak the truth?
I am truly sorrowful that apparently nice people embrace and literally imbibe in such corruption. I work with the children, the results of that corruption, and probably will for the rest of my working life. As Democrats seize more rule over a willing populace, the fallout will always be the orphans. In Sodom, it was the widows "and" the orphans, but the Weaternized world, that Liberal and Progressive Americans are embracing, make a better life for the woman, but shatters the lives of the offspring of their unrestrained immorality.
Isn't it interesting Thinker, that "feminism" (a Liberal social victory) has made it so easy for "men" to be so incredibly promiscous and never having to be really held to a moral accountability? Typical example of the convoluted ethics and moral corruption of Liberalism. Progressives have entered even more depravity into our society.
I "wish" that this were not the case, BUT, I have "studied" and "tested all things." Like I said, I work and live in that reality every single day. The people that have the perspective that I am angry and rageful, haven't seen anger or rage until they have worked with the tousands of shattered youth that I have.
Look at this:
"Jeez, Donny, your sexual imaginings just get weirder and weirder. First your obsession with pederasty, and now incest? Get some help, man...."
Posted by: PatientWitness | February 6, 2008 2:41 PM
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(P-W, I've come to know them all as "Humanists." Through study.)
Thinker, where does this morally myopic perspective think that all of the aborted babies, abandoned children, child prositutes, drug adicts, youth criminals, porn actors and pedophiles come from? (To name just a few of the results of a Liberal life.) I know where: From Pederasty and incest and every other immoral act that Liberals and Progressives (Humanists), support with their religion of "Tolerance and Diverstity."
I would say "Go to hell," as a response to the stupidity existing in the above little ad hom attack on me, but I am off to work in the reality of what Liberals and Progressives (Humanists one and all) have done to our world "dot dot dot." Also, it appears that, even though they deny the existence of it, The Left seems to be creating Hell here on Earth and enjoying it.
I am off to work with shattered children, the "results" of the morality championed by Democrat legislative actions. I don't apologize for rage in my anger. Or anger in my rage. I don't make the unfortunate and yet valuable children of the liberal and licentious life that their parents embraced, say they are sorry for being angry either. I show them that there is a better way of life than following the bad role models of a Liberal life that progressively failed them.
I am not trying to evangelize on the boards of beliefnet.com. Even though the Leftists are. I just oppose them like any Christian should. Free speech, you know.
Unfortunately Hollywood and Barack Obama and the Democrat, Liberal and Progressive ideologues (Humanists one and all) have more money than I do.
I'm one of those people that do not fear four years of the evil that the Democrats will inflict on and infect America with. I have hope that we will rise above the ashes of what they will cause to fall, and show our next generation that a family and a community is the way God intended it to be. A mother and father, (a woman and a man), married before having children, and committed to being faithful to each other and their children. A decent and good society starts with the foundation of the family. Reference Jesus on what a marriage consists of. I have no tolerance for those that call Him a liar and alter the meaning of marriage. You like to read books, the Gospels are only small letters.
With all "due" respect.
Donny
Larry Parker
February 8, 2008 12:54 PM
Folks, remember, this is the guy who used to LIKE Obama.
With friends like that ...
c kitty
February 9, 2008 5:24 PM
What is really troubling is that Donny works with kids, and someone lets him fill their heads with the same bile he spews here.
In defense of all the people he condemns, these are the people I have seen rise to the occassion when others need help and comfort. It is the gay friend who prays for me when he passes by my favorite cathedral. It is my heathen friend who takes me to the hospital. It is the church-going conservatives that are too busy going to church and bible studies to call a friend.
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I read somewhere in the coverage that Hillary Clinton won the "made up their mind in the last 24 hours" vote which argues against the movement theory. But, Barack Obama took 100% of the independent vote in one Santa Clarita, CA precinct between 2:15 and 2:30 PST today.
The most interesting thing about the Democratic vote was how Obama dominated in the caucus states. Granted, their delegate count was not huge, but what's behind that?
But, Mr Kuo, this country "from The Left," is rejecting God, and countering Him with the typical replacements. We are witnessing our culture and country become infected with the anti-Christ power of the secular Leftists. Even if they call themselves "Christian," their foundation is on the very things we were warned against in the Bible. The Democrats seem hell-bent to take America back in time to the kinds of civilizations that failed do to decadence and immorality. Their "base" simply will not look around society and see the moral and social decay is from everything The Left holds near and dear. It is if the drowned people of Noah's day are back in the bodies of Progressives and Liberals. And as anyone with eyes to see with and ears to hear, this infection has been caught by some in the GOP.
I guess there is no stopping prophecy from being fulfilled.
The Left is gathering around them teachers and preachers to give their itching ears what they want to hear.
It's amazing to watch decency and good morals called a phobia and hatred, and the most sick and evil people and behaviors being held up as civil rights issues. And, it's incredible to watch the youth of America following those that debauched them. The Humanists (Liberals, Progressives, Democrats one and all), with their neo-pederasty and promises have grown their chickens, that are coming home to roost in the voting booths across America.
God will not be mocked. As the anti-Christ has been perverting Europe, as we watch its decline, America can only be saved at the rejection of Leftist threats that is now gripping its throat and squeezing in likewise manner.
The Democrats (and their supporters), re-creating Noah's time or Lot's . . .? It's hard to see which one will emerge sooner than the other.
Hi David,
I think that the early voting in Cali really skewed those poll #'s allot.. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out in the next 2 weeks as Obama has a chance to really pick up some steam w/ some primary's and caucuses ahead that favor him.. he will need this to overcome the advantage that Clinton will have in Texas / Ohio / Penn..
(David -- I originally posted this on Rod Dreher's CC blog)
Rod:
I cannot tell you how disappointed I am with the results last night -- particularly in California. (The Napolitano and Kennedy endorsements didn't help in Arizona and Massachusetts, which wasn't good for Obama, either.)
According to the exit polls, Obama no longer has a black-brown problem -- he has a black-brown/yellow problem.
And the problem with the City Journal article (very good, by the way) you identify is that it isn't that blacks are voting against Clinton and Asians and Latinos are voting for her. (In New York, believe me, establishment blacks are very much in the former First Lady's corner, even if Obama obviously dominates nationwide.) Quite the opposite -- it appears blacks are voting FOR Obama and Asians and Latinos are voting AGAINST him.
There are two possible explanations -- one less than charitable and one nihilistic. The less than charitable one says, "Hey, Al Gore visited the Buddhist Temple; we can be comfortable with the Democratic Party establishment" or "Cesar Chavez and Bobby Kennedy worked side by side, so if Bobby Kennedy the younger endorses Clinton, we have to listen."
The nihilistic interpretation is that, to many supposedly liberal Asians and Latinos, Barack Obama is no better than the thugs who beat up Reginald Denny within an inch of his life at Florence and Normandie in 1992 -- and that the Rodney King riots still shape their consciousness of who they will vote and NOT vote for. (Even if, ironically, the real firebrand of the riots, Maxine Waters, was in Clinton's camp.)
Now Obama has to win the Texas primary to stay in the race. And even if, as his Chicago backer Congressman Gutierrez has been begging for weeks, Obama ramps up his Latino outreach ... Rod, you know far more about Texas politics than I ever will, but I don't think it's even POSSIBLE for Obama to win the Lone Star State.
On target David. Off target Donny
The Dems have two good candidates. I suspect if Hilary is nominated - she'll need Obama on the ticket. If he is nominated, he'll bring the fold together. I'm not sure why Romney stays in. Still can't figure out why he's running to be truthful. Huckabee - think he's trying for #2 slot? Don't think McCain will go there, but you never know. I worry about McCain's age. We need energy and sharpness - don't think that can sustain under the pressures of the presidency. Good man - wish he was about 6 years younger. This isn't ageism - I'm old and I know what happens. It's reality.
Obama said that he would not enter the race unless he could raise the level of discourse. At first that was his primary goal. When I recall the last 4 campaigns, I think he has done that. We have been in the pigpit and simply don't know there's anything bigger than that. I think Obama has taken us up a couple of notches. Even the media is incrementally better than a few years ago. Some of the real nutcases are being marginalized and their voices no longer pass for mainstream. I guess that is better. There is still the desire for scandal and the avoidance of issues on the part of the media - but perhaps this very long debate season is changing that.
Here in Missouri - it was quite a night. Clinton claims it and Obama took it. Across the road in Kansas, it call came down to a couple of polling places in Overland Park. My kid called from Colorado - she was happy with the results there. This thing has lasted forever - ever since the disaster began to be recognized in the White House - but perhaps that had purpose. We will have the best choices in many years and perhaps an enthused electorate that knows something about what is going on. Let us hope that is true.
What achievements has Obama accomplished? I'm not impressed with a Harvard Graduate leading our country. Just getting elected as a Senator from Illinois, isn't much of anything. And like I've already written, Chicago's inner-city is a true example of our violent and perverted culture. If that is something to proud of, America will be at the bottom of the slippery slide that Liberal legislation and lifestyle has pushed us to when Hilary and Barack is through with it.
And Hilary is not running for First Lady. Bill is. Being the wife of a President, and obviously, just being a Senator, isn't a reason to vote someone in as President.
Obama speaks well, and Mrs. Clinton is bossy. So is the guy selling cars in my home town. He also is a Democrat and filthy rich. And not many people trust his words either.
I believe if Huckabee wouldn't have been sooooo Christian in Iowa, he'd be the GOP nominee (almost) already. But the animosity that Christians garner from the Hollywood/Leftist media, and the slamming that any non Neo-Con gets from Right-Wing talk radio "pundits" is staggering.
Huckabee's is the story of this election. Too bad he's a morally sound guy.
I'm girding myself to live like Lot if either of the two Democrats get in. Thankfully neither my daughter or I drink wine. And my wife will never look back at this culture if we are forced to leave it. Obama is a nice enough guy, don't get me wrong, it's just the things he represents, are not.
Jeez, Donny, your sexual imaginings just get weirder and weirder. First your obsession with pederasty, and now incest? Get some help, man....
Just listened to Obama's book on my IPOD - the one about his youth and conversions - social, religious and political. Donny - I think you would be surprised to read it. I'm going to read McCain's book and I already read Hilary's 2 books. Does Mitt have one - perhaps the Max Hedroom comic? Haven't seen one by Huckabee, but would read it if there was. Barack has organized people to take care of their problems. This is a Big deal. He has gone through adolescence and young adulthood, come through with an understanding of the forces that cause rage and political impotence. He has come to know Jesus as his savior and is humble in the knowing. I think Hilary has had a similar life journey. McCain went through torture and terror and somehow survived to serve others. I think getting through life without rage, cynicism and with a sense that this American people is essentially good - is something of a miracle in any life. Someone once told me that saints are those who get past 50 without being overwhelmed by cynicism. There is still a sense of admiration of one another.
Donny, I admire your passion, but am put off completely by your bitter version of Christianity - it simply has nothing to do with Jesus as I have come to know him. Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, McCain - all of them are not living their lives in rage and vengeance - all of them believe we are capable of more. When you can get there Donny - when your perceptions are less suspicious, more hopeful, less vengeful and rage filled and more caring of those who seemingly do not deserve it - then - perhaps these conversations will be fruitful. Right now - most skip your posts completely. Conversation must be between people who are both beloved and respected. My perception is that there are moments we see the real Donny and more moments when we see the one who will not see us beyond any stereotypical superficial version. What do you think Jesus would say to you? I wonder every day what he would say to me. It's a correction in attitude most of the time -my ego and need to be right vs - Jesus. Jesus wins a good deal of the time - other times (marked by a need for vengeance ) ego wins. A priest friend of mine said once that the people who are most dangerous to the Gospel are those who are certain that they have the true version of it. Bless you Donny and bless your wife and family. But do not expect to convert anyone to your version of the Gospel. It is just yours.
Max Headroom - hahahahahaha!
Donny:
Please provide a cogent, thoughtful post on the horrible things that Obama represents. BTW, when Huckabee was doing his best George Wallace impression in S.C. talking about the confederate flag, was that Christ-like?
People say that Obama has no executive or managerial experience to speak of. Yet he has crafted, in an amazingly short time, a tremedously effective grass-roots political organization that has derailed the juggernaut that the Hillary campaign was supposed to be.
Friend or foe, you have to admit that the Clintons are consumate politicans and organizers and they have been planning this campaign to some degree or another for eight years (at least). Today, he has a war chest that is twice the size of Hillary's despite her $5 million contribution to herself and heavy bankrolling from some big time lobbyists. Obama got it all from private donation, many of them, including mine, well under $100 apiece.
Obama has launched himself from near total obscurity to serious contender for the presidency in record time and he has overseen the organization that did it. That is an immensely impressive feat of organizational and managerial skill. And one that outshines the person who claims she will be ready on Day One.
"Remember it was the evangelical and conservative political leadership that declared Huckabee "too liberal" on taxes, ending torture, spending on welfare programs, and on foreign policy. They labeled him as too theologically liberal as well."
That's the problem with evangelicals: they declare a lot against a lot of folks. Evangelical Christianity is basically a conglomeration of condemnation. Even down to the level of cottage industry
*Just check out Donny's/Psalms 51's posts.*
Well SUPER TUESDAY is over and I am one disappointed person. How the heck did McCain pull this off - why the heck are all the Reppublican Conservatives voting for him. Just pray I guess - we sure are going to be in a pickle for next four years with McCain, BILLARY or Obama. What a choice
Obama has launched himself from near total obscurity to serious contender for the presidency in record time and he has overseen the organization that did it. That is an immensely impressive feat of organizational and managerial skill.
You assume, without evidence, that it's all his own doing. He's getting an awful lot of help from conservative, mostly Red State, Democratic organizations and officials who fear a November election with Hillary as nominee. An unwise misassessment, in my opinion, but understandable in that Hillary winning means their internalized conservatism and weakness will lose legitimacy and justification.
Donny:
Please provide a cogent, thoughtful post on the horrible things that Obama represents. BTW, when Huckabee was doing his best George Wallace impression in S.C. talking about the confederate flag, was that Christ-like?
Posted by: Blue Moon
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Sacficifing your children by killing them, so your life will be better, AND, the sexual depravity of the world in which Obama claims to have worked to make better, show his way of life as evil. What Liberals and Progressives actually DO, is more akin to Molech worship than what the Apostles encouraged believers to "do."
He willing supports AND encourages abortion and sexual perversion. He opposes the words of Christ Jesus and the Apostles that brought us "The faith delivered only once to the saints."
You may be ignorant of what a Christian should "do," but only because of Obama's Humanist perspective and social stances devaluing and disregarding a morality that would truly better the lives of those suffering and dying in his inner-cities.
Obama's politics are an immoral Robin Hood perversion as well. The Democrats desire to enslave the hard-working honest familes of America and take their money by force. Marxist socialism is not a good thing, nor is Humanism, and yet the Democrats represent these belief systems in actuality.
He wants to "talk" with people that have proven for over a thousand-years that they do not care about others rights to reject Islam. Never forget that an education is nothing more than passing tests, when you enter the edcuation system corrupted and to corrupt others. Look at the inventor of the Kwanzza that Obama and his Church follow. It is absolutley pure racism. And yet, Obama is cheered for his behaviors.
In Obama's political morality, children are taken away from their parents as soon as they enter the school system and are indoctrinated into a perverse world where history and morality are altered to create a Humanist society. It is a fact that children must be taught that homosexuality and sexual promiscuity is a good thing and that any disagreement with that is hate and intolerance. This kind of sick immorality has already killed millions and millions of innocent AND guilty people. Yet the liars of Leftist rants claim to be against the death penalty. Parents are stripped of their parental rights by the reprobates that purposely attack everything that is not designed to perpetuate humainsm. I wouldn't care so much if Liberal-Progressives wanted to destroy their own children, that's their perverse right I suppose, but they should be opposed with equal force by parents that love their children in ways that do not support this secularism that is worshipped by every Democrat Liberal progressive in this country.
Mike Huckabee stood for "State rights" on the rebel flag issue. I never understood why a loser's flag would be held to respect anyway, but I can understand Huckabee's stance for free speech and the constitution of America actually being applied. You know, the way the Leftists do to support other horrible things. Leftists use the same reasoning to promote pornography and sodomy to children. So, I'm OK with kicking out Southern rebels and Liberals in one fell swoop. But it should be done state to state, not by Progressive rule uber alles. Hollywood, which is sending millions and millions of dollars to Obama literally was built on porn and sodomy morality, but I'm thinking you'll turn a blind eye to that in the voting booth. If you want to get rid of the First Amendment to be able to rid the country of Liberalism and racism . . ., I am with you there. We could do away with things like racist Kwanzaa as a "hoilday" and get rid of the Gay Agenda in one great moment in history. The First Amendment is not my God, it's the god of the Left. Curbing perversion isn't a bad idea to those of us "on the right."
It is Christ-like to allow people to choose to reject Christ if that is what they desire. I also cannot understand why Christians waste their time on Liberals, Progressives and thoose of the rainbow flag cult.
Jesus (literally the Christ-like guy) said you will know His followers by their fruits. I'm thinking slaughtered children for convenience and sexual depravity are not good fruits. How 'bout you?
Oh but . . ., you Leftists say we should "tolerate" diversity. I'll remember that, the next time I hear about a pregnant twelve-year old inner-city child (by a man with seven other children from severn other "females," as they say in the inner-city), or, as I pass by the young male prostitutes outside the gay bars in any big city I'm driving through.
Blue Moon, hmm, some kind of pun in there . . .,
I'm thinking our little excercise in reality won't have you as happy as you thought it would.
I'll give you my email if you need any more reality lessons.
"Conversation must be between people who are both beloved and respected. My perception is that there are moments we see the real Donny and more moments when we see the one who will not see us beyond any stereotypical superficial version. What do you think Jesus would say to you? I wonder every day what he would say to me."
Posted by: Thinker | February 6, 2008 3:18 PM
Thinker,
For two-decades I have heard that voice. I work with the shattered lives of shattered children discarded and abandoned by the "way of life" championed by Progressives and Liberals. Literally cemented into life by Democrat legislation. I am hearing - though I don't like the tiny salary of the field- to continue working with children whose lascivious licentious parents (the word is used ONLY biologically), that have followed the fruits of Humanism, that is the foundation of everything Liberal and Progressive.
It was in the study of history and the working with real people in the real world, that has brought me to my conclusiions of the inherent evil of "The Left." If you'll study, honestly, you will see the Humanist Manifesto of a group of atheist elitist's driving the agenda of Liberal/Progressive politics.
"IF," a person claims to be a Christian, and imbibes the Humanist culture, that needs to be illuminated. That is what Love is. People are dying in the millions because of what Liberals believe in and force on people. Children don't have a choice. You seem quite intelligent, and yet you give worth and credence to a social system: Liberalism, Progressive ideology and humanism, that is as corrupt and degenerate as any in the ancient world of pagan abominations.
The study of Molech worship, Pederasty, hedonism, and the love of lust, and you see the current world created by Liberal, Progressive and Humanist endeavors. Start with abortion. It is vastly more used for the betterment of the parents, that the child dies. That it is "sacrificed" for the Liberal agenda of death to inconvenient children. Now we are at point in our history, where, yet again, same-gender sex is coming into vogue. It, is not the main reason of degeneracy controlling a society, but it is one of the final phases of the death of that culture and civilization that embraces insanity as a reasonable choice. Hig taxes are the sign of a decadent and corrupt leadership that has no ability to maintain decent moral growth of its populace. Taxes are literally slavery and extortion.
Thinker, those incredibly bad things are championed by Liberals, Progressives and Democrats. The Democrat way of life is now completely Humanist through and through. Because, byt their fruits you do know them.
Why is that unseemly or un-Christian to speak the truth?
I am truly sorrowful that apparently nice people embrace and literally imbibe in such corruption. I work with the children, the results of that corruption, and probably will for the rest of my working life. As Democrats seize more rule over a willing populace, the fallout will always be the orphans. In Sodom, it was the widows "and" the orphans, but the Weaternized world, that Liberal and Progressive Americans are embracing, make a better life for the woman, but shatters the lives of the offspring of their unrestrained immorality.
Isn't it interesting Thinker, that "feminism" (a Liberal social victory) has made it so easy for "men" to be so incredibly promiscous and never having to be really held to a moral accountability? Typical example of the convoluted ethics and moral corruption of Liberalism. Progressives have entered even more depravity into our society.
I "wish" that this were not the case, BUT, I have "studied" and "tested all things." Like I said, I work and live in that reality every single day. The people that have the perspective that I am angry and rageful, haven't seen anger or rage until they have worked with the tousands of shattered youth that I have.
Look at this:
"Jeez, Donny, your sexual imaginings just get weirder and weirder. First your obsession with pederasty, and now incest? Get some help, man...."
Posted by: PatientWitness | February 6, 2008 2:41 PM
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(P-W, I've come to know them all as "Humanists." Through study.)
Thinker, where does this morally myopic perspective think that all of the aborted babies, abandoned children, child prositutes, drug adicts, youth criminals, porn actors and pedophiles come from? (To name just a few of the results of a Liberal life.) I know where: From Pederasty and incest and every other immoral act that Liberals and Progressives (Humanists), support with their religion of "Tolerance and Diverstity."
I would say "Go to hell," as a response to the stupidity existing in the above little ad hom attack on me, but I am off to work in the reality of what Liberals and Progressives (Humanists one and all) have done to our world "dot dot dot." Also, it appears that, even though they deny the existence of it, The Left seems to be creating Hell here on Earth and enjoying it.
I am off to work with shattered children, the "results" of the morality championed by Democrat legislative actions. I don't apologize for rage in my anger. Or anger in my rage. I don't make the unfortunate and yet valuable children of the liberal and licentious life that their parents embraced, say they are sorry for being angry either. I show them that there is a better way of life than following the bad role models of a Liberal life that progressively failed them.
I am not trying to evangelize on the boards of beliefnet.com. Even though the Leftists are. I just oppose them like any Christian should. Free speech, you know.
Unfortunately Hollywood and Barack Obama and the Democrat, Liberal and Progressive ideologues (Humanists one and all) have more money than I do.
I'm one of those people that do not fear four years of the evil that the Democrats will inflict on and infect America with. I have hope that we will rise above the ashes of what they will cause to fall, and show our next generation that a family and a community is the way God intended it to be. A mother and father, (a woman and a man), married before having children, and committed to being faithful to each other and their children. A decent and good society starts with the foundation of the family. Reference Jesus on what a marriage consists of. I have no tolerance for those that call Him a liar and alter the meaning of marriage. You like to read books, the Gospels are only small letters.
With all "due" respect.
Donny
Folks, remember, this is the guy who used to LIKE Obama.
With friends like that ...
What is really troubling is that Donny works with kids, and someone lets him fill their heads with the same bile he spews here.
In defense of all the people he condemns, these are the people I have seen rise to the occassion when others need help and comfort. It is the gay friend who prays for me when he passes by my favorite cathedral. It is my heathen friend who takes me to the hospital. It is the church-going conservatives that are too busy going to church and bible studies to call a friend.
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