Much ink (actual and virtual) has been spilled this campaign season about how the Clinton legacy is impacted by Hillary's run. A win obviously does wonders for it - the first husband and wife ever to be elected. The...
Does either candidate have a way of winning enough delegates to secure the nomination?
pagansister
March 5, 2008 12:40 PM
I disagree that she should pull out. She,IMO, represents a great leap for women...a woman with the possibility of becoming the first woman president of the United States....something that is long,long, overdue. Male dominance in that office needs to be checked. If she pulled out now, "for the good of the party" I feel that the chatter would be that she gave up in the face of the male who has a better chance of winning. But then again, the first black male is running with a chance of winning the office. Who would/could have predicted that 2 "firsts" would be in the same election cycle...1st woman and 1st black man. Ironic.
Jillian
March 5, 2008 1:37 PM
David, I think you should also give the converse idea a good look. Obama dropping out now for the good of the country and his "movement" may not be intuitive. It pains me to say so, but the "movement" and even your own pro-Obama posts do reflect an assortment of resentments, racial and generational and political and otherwise, behind a thin façade of positive language.
Obama will now "go negative" on Clinton, which is to say that he feels exposed as an inadequate leader and his last card is to attempt to fully scapegoat her for the Iraq war. Which he has been doing all along to a lesser extent. That this is to deny collective responsibility for it, a decidedly undemocratic and unChristian thing, may be something to sincerely consider.
speakfromtheheart
March 5, 2008 4:26 PM
McCain is a lucky man - who would have guessed a few months ago he'd sew up the nomination, and whilst the Dems go down to the wire, he is free to set HIS agenda/policy, etc., from the comfort of being the nominee.
Ms. Clinton. So she's a woman. That doesn't make her more qualified than anyone else. She blew it with healthcare back in the 90s, she and Bill had how many scandals - law PARTNERS who went to jail or worse (Foster committed suicide), nominees who had to back out (Baird and Wood I believe; Guanier), what about that whole file thing and Livingstone? Bill lost his law license. Some people wouldn't think 'standing by yer man' was the wise thing to do (how many women???). Who wants his philandering for another 4 years? He's doing it in Westchester... She has done NOTHING in a state she did not live in prior to winning said state (ask Buffalo if her talk has given them anything to take to the bank). Her husband let Bin Laden go when he was handed to the U.S. on a platter back in the early 90s. Remember the first World Trade Centers attack was on the Clinton watch.
Did you know they get tax breaks because (supposedly) the Secret Service has built lodging on their estate in Chappaqua? That you the taxpayer pay for? Did you know that said building is nary more than an out-house of sorts and the Secret Service were housed (paid by taxpayer monies) in homes on a company property down the road? Again, not sure of the status of this now - but it was true a few years ago.
I'm just saying that she comes with some pretty gnarly issues that seem to be overlooked/forgotten/squashed.
No one is perfect. But I am tired of hearing she's so wonderful - she's not.
Michele McGinty
March 5, 2008 5:02 PM
Or 4. They could destroy the Democrat party by fighting this all the way and then remake it in their image :-)
Alicia
March 5, 2008 6:22 PM
I don't think Obama is a bad person. I don't think he is a closet Muslim or the Anti-Christ. But, I also don't think he's ready to be President, nor do I believe that he would necessarily be a good President. Hillary should not drop out - she's the best candidate for the job, and John McCain's the next best. Hillary may have huge negatives, but at least she's an adult. She isn't selling soap (or, in Obama's case, soap bubbles that are soon to burst).
If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I'll probably vote for John McCain.
pagansister
March 5, 2008 7:23 PM
So far Obama hasn't said what he'll do except "change" things. He is charismatic, and can flip in and out of preacher delivery mode, depending on his crowd. However he needs to start giving some specifics on what he'll do as president. Charisma only gets one so far.
SFTH:
Yes, Bill & Hillary get SS protection, because Bill is a former president,and she a former first lady...all "formers" get that....and she is now running for president. I don't think I mind paying for that. Scandals? They were cleared of those.
Name a presidential candidate that doesn't come with "issues" as you put it.
I certainly don't claim Hillary is wonderful...but we need a good president and she's got it. Give Obama a few more years...he can run in 2012...and then become the first black president.
No backing out of this race for HR Clinton.
Alicia
March 6, 2008 9:59 AM
I was thinking about this more last evening, and I think, with all due respect to David Kuo and others who are calling for Hillary to quit the race, this is an outrageous and ludicrous suggestion. At some point, obviously, one of these two candidates will need to concede, or risk blowing up the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Party.
Until then, the idea that Hillary, who just won two major state primaries, should concede the race to Obama, is laughable. Can you imagine the hay that the Republicans would make out of this -- a primary process in which the "party influential" suggest that Hillary make way for Obama because of his "historic black candidacy"?
The implication is that Obama isn't good enough to win the nomination on his own, that he can't compete, that he needs "affirmative action." If the Democratic Party pulls something like this, they deserve to lose the White House yet again.
Anonymous
March 6, 2008 10:45 AM
"So far Obama hasn't said what he'll do except "change" things. "
Hillary doesn't either. No politician wants to get into the speicifics. Hillary just claims to have a "four point plan". Ohhhh.....VERY specific.
Reality is, SPECIFICS are very dangerous politically, so everybody sticks to patriotic platitudes and "promises" that will more often than not go down to defeat in the process of the status quo snuffing them out. Hillary, in her 8 years thus far, has always seemed to me to be unwilling to go against any grain.....ie, War vote. She didn't become critical until it was obvious that the country was moving that way. She was FAR behind. So she's blown her credibility with me.
Dale
March 6, 2008 10:46 AM
sorry, previous comment (the one that says "Hillary doesn't either") somehow went up without my name
Thinker
March 6, 2008 11:56 AM
Actually, if you go to their websites - there are very specific plans on every issue. Obama's book has specific plans. He has given speeches with very specific economic interventions, educational interventions. There's nothing vague about it. Most are simply too lazy to read what either has to say - want it spoonfed. Sorry, but this is a sore point with me. If you are saying they haven't been specific, you haven't been doing the work you need to do. McCain, on the other hand - I find nothing specific anywhere - just vague language. And believe me - I'm looking hard. I'm sure positions will begin to be solidified and made more concrete - but not yet. Of all of them - Obama has done the most work along this line. Clinton has perhaps spoken to specifics best along the lines of health care. But w
Alicia
March 6, 2008 3:18 PM
Personally, I have Obama's position on issues from his website bookmarked so that I can read the entire thing, though I confess I'm not in a huge hurry to do so, I will definitely get around to it in the next couple of weeks. And will do the same for Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's positions.
That said, I have heard it said in the media numerous times that "Obama's and Clinton's positions on issues are virtually the same" and that Obama's positions are fairly standard boilerplate. I will judge for myself. However, based on his public performance during the campaign (what I've seen of it) I have grave reservations about the degree to which Obama has worked out the details of his plans.
When he dismissed those details (during the California debate) as "bureaucracy" my respect for him went down several notches. There is a reason why people say, "the Devil is in the details."
Carl
March 7, 2008 8:12 AM
To whom it may concern:
My position on the subject concerning Obama,as well as Clinton.
Are as follows Hillary is a hippie which hasn't laid down that part of her life yet wanting change when it isn't warranted. Obama his recent actions concerning issues of his faith and convictions on American standards speak for their self.
Thinker
March 7, 2008 10:02 AM
Just had a student write an editorial about how infrequently we have mass at school. It was pointed out that mass was celebrated at 7 am weekly. Her response was that - "it was too much trouble to get up that early". Part of our responsibility in voting is to follow each candidate's statements, what is being placed as positions on web sites, read their written work, research their voting records etc. To allow the media to tell you what they said is simply irresponsible on your part. I created a little spread sheet almost a year ago and thought about the issues that were important to me as a Christian. I then began to fill in the spaces on every candidate. Some were dismissed right away. Others ignore some issues I find important and yet are going the right direction as far as recognizing the dignity of all human beings. The manner in which they treat one another, manipulate the media, - tells me a lot. At this point - none has clean hands on life issues, all are becoming less specific - the closer the nominations come to fruition. There are three fine human beings left. I have major disagreements with all three, but will continue to do my homework. At this point - Obama has the least baggage and the most possibility. He will respect the Constitution and that is at the top of my list right now. He's promising too much in speeches, but calling for personal responsibility. His written work reveals a complex thinker who can deal with a global community and regain respect that has been lost. McCain is gathering baggage rapidly - has not said anything about the economy that differes from Bush. However, he has often been willing to go against the status quo, against the radical right, and for compassion and reason. He has little written work. His web site has little about his positions as yet. His voting record - well - I disagree with many things he has voted for. Clinton's methods are increasingly reprehensible, but her written work and voting record (especially for children's issues) are often admirable. To allow the media to define what you think is simply irresponsible. Media has a vested interest in conflict, in the unimportant, in maintaining the status quo. A responsible citizen should go beyond that.
JPL
March 7, 2008 11:34 AM
Yes, Clinton should just drop out. UNLESS she, and many other people, believe that there is a real, salient difference between Barack and she, and that she'll be a better choice to run the nation, and that his presidency could further damage us as a people. In which case, dropping out would be an act of self-serving cowardice, through which she would fail the nation.
The only people who think Clinton should drop out at this point are people who believe that Obama should win, or that there is no real difference between them. Clearly, that's no everyone.
Alicia
March 7, 2008 11:43 AM
Thinker, I'm glad to know you've done your homework. When I've done mine, perhaps you'll give me a gold star. :-)
james curtis
March 7, 2008 3:36 PM
David Kuo has always hated Hillary. Check out his past comments on her, from years back. She could still win, why drop out now? Let the voters, not Mr. Kuo, speak. He is a Republican. They took the popular vote from us(dangling chads and an "altered" result in Florida from Governor Bush who said he would "bring in the vote for W in 2000" and look what has happened. Obama's people said Hillary should drop out if she lost in Texas and Ohio. Well, she WON in Texas and Ohio. Time for Mr. Obama to withdraw. He cannot get the vote to win California, Ohio, Texas, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. Does he deserve "special treatment?" Ohio elects Presidents, they spoke for Hillary.
Obama gives us a pipe dream while getting an insider reduced-price deal on his mansion with a lot of help from an indicted alleged criminal--first chance he has for a handout from the political system--what does he do--tells Resko to help him get a sweet deal on the house by buying the house and lot next door then selling just the house without the extra lot for a nice "deal", and he has only been a Senator for a scant 2 years. Now his campaign person calls Hillary horrible names? Obama is only interested in Obama. Hillary saw the health care problem when Obama was still in High School. Will his wife go back to not being proud of America like she was before he won in teeny tiny Iowa? Some people cannot handle an older woman in power, so they bash her for being older and not a man.
c kitty
March 7, 2008 7:47 PM
James Curtis -- couldn't agree with you more. I have noticed rather thinly veiled Hillary insults in David's writing and find his bias against her troubling. I also find remarks like Thinker's about Hillary having reprehensible tactics troubling. Thinker usually comes pretty close to the mark, but this ia a generalized disparagement without any specific FACTS. Too much of the political discussion consists of unsupported opinions that seem to be just passing along of gossip. That is especially true of the MSM which seems to only care about reporting what they consider juicy tidbits, and in fact I have heard reporters decline to discuss candidates' statements on the big factual issues because they are boring.
I have been watching more of this campaign than any human should have to and I don't see that any one candidate has the corner on negative or hard-nose campaigning. In fact, it seems pretty tame so far.Words like reprehensible should perhaps be reserved for outrageous conduct like the blatant lies we all remember from the last go-around, swift-boating, smearing of McCain by the Bush campaign in the south, etc.
Looks more like the MSM and the Republicans are really just trying to create a fight where there's only a tiff. Nothing else will help the Republicans at least hold some power next time around and of course the MSM wants us all to keep tuned in for the next installment of today's skirmish.
Boone
March 10, 2008 1:30 PM
Speaking as someone who is not a Democrat, I don't really like Hillary Clinton. I didn't like Bill when he was the President, but he seems to have done well for himself as an ex-president. Then again, who cares if an ex-president cheats on his wife or what his position is on Universal Healthcare? He's an ex-president. There are 41 of them.
Ultimately I think that the Democratic Party will have to reject Hillary for her to withdraw. Without that, no one is going to be able to tell her that she can't win the nomination. All party politics aside, its not over until its over for Hillary Clinton.
Charity
March 11, 2008 10:46 AM
Umm, with regards to this idea that Obama and Clinton are virtually the same. Yes, the media is saying that. But I remember in 2000 how the media said that Al Gore and George W. Bush were 'virtually the same'. i.e. - Moderates. They implied that it really didn't matter which one won the White House.
They were wrong, as the last painful six years have shown us as our Constitutions and any moral authority we once claimed as a nation has been shredded.
Anonymous
March 26, 2008 9:55 AM
WE DO NOT NEED ANY OF THEM FOR PRESIDENT. THEY ARE NOT THE ONES TO LEAD A COUNTRY WHO NEEDS TO TURN BACK TO GOD. I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR A WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!! IT WOULD BE WORSE THAN A MUSLIM. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO THE DOGS ANYWAY. WE NEED SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET US OUT OF THE PIT OF DEGRADATION. JLF MAR. 26
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Does either candidate have a way of winning enough delegates to secure the nomination?
I disagree that she should pull out. She,IMO, represents a great leap for women...a woman with the possibility of becoming the first woman president of the United States....something that is long,long, overdue. Male dominance in that office needs to be checked. If she pulled out now, "for the good of the party" I feel that the chatter would be that she gave up in the face of the male who has a better chance of winning. But then again, the first black male is running with a chance of winning the office. Who would/could have predicted that 2 "firsts" would be in the same election cycle...1st woman and 1st black man. Ironic.
David, I think you should also give the converse idea a good look. Obama dropping out now for the good of the country and his "movement" may not be intuitive. It pains me to say so, but the "movement" and even your own pro-Obama posts do reflect an assortment of resentments, racial and generational and political and otherwise, behind a thin façade of positive language.
Obama will now "go negative" on Clinton, which is to say that he feels exposed as an inadequate leader and his last card is to attempt to fully scapegoat her for the Iraq war. Which he has been doing all along to a lesser extent. That this is to deny collective responsibility for it, a decidedly undemocratic and unChristian thing, may be something to sincerely consider.
McCain is a lucky man - who would have guessed a few months ago he'd sew up the nomination, and whilst the Dems go down to the wire, he is free to set HIS agenda/policy, etc., from the comfort of being the nominee.
Ms. Clinton. So she's a woman. That doesn't make her more qualified than anyone else. She blew it with healthcare back in the 90s, she and Bill had how many scandals - law PARTNERS who went to jail or worse (Foster committed suicide), nominees who had to back out (Baird and Wood I believe; Guanier), what about that whole file thing and Livingstone? Bill lost his law license. Some people wouldn't think 'standing by yer man' was the wise thing to do (how many women???). Who wants his philandering for another 4 years? He's doing it in Westchester... She has done NOTHING in a state she did not live in prior to winning said state (ask Buffalo if her talk has given them anything to take to the bank). Her husband let Bin Laden go when he was handed to the U.S. on a platter back in the early 90s. Remember the first World Trade Centers attack was on the Clinton watch.
Did you know they get tax breaks because (supposedly) the Secret Service has built lodging on their estate in Chappaqua? That you the taxpayer pay for? Did you know that said building is nary more than an out-house of sorts and the Secret Service were housed (paid by taxpayer monies) in homes on a company property down the road? Again, not sure of the status of this now - but it was true a few years ago.
I'm just saying that she comes with some pretty gnarly issues that seem to be overlooked/forgotten/squashed.
No one is perfect. But I am tired of hearing she's so wonderful - she's not.
Or 4. They could destroy the Democrat party by fighting this all the way and then remake it in their image :-)
I don't think Obama is a bad person. I don't think he is a closet Muslim or the Anti-Christ. But, I also don't think he's ready to be President, nor do I believe that he would necessarily be a good President. Hillary should not drop out - she's the best candidate for the job, and John McCain's the next best. Hillary may have huge negatives, but at least she's an adult. She isn't selling soap (or, in Obama's case, soap bubbles that are soon to burst).
If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I'll probably vote for John McCain.
So far Obama hasn't said what he'll do except "change" things. He is charismatic, and can flip in and out of preacher delivery mode, depending on his crowd. However he needs to start giving some specifics on what he'll do as president. Charisma only gets one so far.
SFTH:
Yes, Bill & Hillary get SS protection, because Bill is a former president,and she a former first lady...all "formers" get that....and she is now running for president. I don't think I mind paying for that. Scandals? They were cleared of those.
Name a presidential candidate that doesn't come with "issues" as you put it.
I certainly don't claim Hillary is wonderful...but we need a good president and she's got it. Give Obama a few more years...he can run in 2012...and then become the first black president.
No backing out of this race for HR Clinton.
I was thinking about this more last evening, and I think, with all due respect to David Kuo and others who are calling for Hillary to quit the race, this is an outrageous and ludicrous suggestion. At some point, obviously, one of these two candidates will need to concede, or risk blowing up the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Party.
Until then, the idea that Hillary, who just won two major state primaries, should concede the race to Obama, is laughable. Can you imagine the hay that the Republicans would make out of this -- a primary process in which the "party influential" suggest that Hillary make way for Obama because of his "historic black candidacy"?
The implication is that Obama isn't good enough to win the nomination on his own, that he can't compete, that he needs "affirmative action." If the Democratic Party pulls something like this, they deserve to lose the White House yet again.
"So far Obama hasn't said what he'll do except "change" things. "
Hillary doesn't either. No politician wants to get into the speicifics. Hillary just claims to have a "four point plan". Ohhhh.....VERY specific.
Reality is, SPECIFICS are very dangerous politically, so everybody sticks to patriotic platitudes and "promises" that will more often than not go down to defeat in the process of the status quo snuffing them out. Hillary, in her 8 years thus far, has always seemed to me to be unwilling to go against any grain.....ie, War vote. She didn't become critical until it was obvious that the country was moving that way. She was FAR behind. So she's blown her credibility with me.
sorry, previous comment (the one that says "Hillary doesn't either") somehow went up without my name
Actually, if you go to their websites - there are very specific plans on every issue. Obama's book has specific plans. He has given speeches with very specific economic interventions, educational interventions. There's nothing vague about it. Most are simply too lazy to read what either has to say - want it spoonfed. Sorry, but this is a sore point with me. If you are saying they haven't been specific, you haven't been doing the work you need to do. McCain, on the other hand - I find nothing specific anywhere - just vague language. And believe me - I'm looking hard. I'm sure positions will begin to be solidified and made more concrete - but not yet. Of all of them - Obama has done the most work along this line. Clinton has perhaps spoken to specifics best along the lines of health care. But w
Personally, I have Obama's position on issues from his website bookmarked so that I can read the entire thing, though I confess I'm not in a huge hurry to do so, I will definitely get around to it in the next couple of weeks. And will do the same for Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's positions.
That said, I have heard it said in the media numerous times that "Obama's and Clinton's positions on issues are virtually the same" and that Obama's positions are fairly standard boilerplate. I will judge for myself. However, based on his public performance during the campaign (what I've seen of it) I have grave reservations about the degree to which Obama has worked out the details of his plans.
When he dismissed those details (during the California debate) as "bureaucracy" my respect for him went down several notches. There is a reason why people say, "the Devil is in the details."
To whom it may concern:
My position on the subject concerning Obama,as well as Clinton.
Are as follows Hillary is a hippie which hasn't laid down that part of her life yet wanting change when it isn't warranted. Obama his recent actions concerning issues of his faith and convictions on American standards speak for their self.
Just had a student write an editorial about how infrequently we have mass at school. It was pointed out that mass was celebrated at 7 am weekly. Her response was that - "it was too much trouble to get up that early". Part of our responsibility in voting is to follow each candidate's statements, what is being placed as positions on web sites, read their written work, research their voting records etc. To allow the media to tell you what they said is simply irresponsible on your part. I created a little spread sheet almost a year ago and thought about the issues that were important to me as a Christian. I then began to fill in the spaces on every candidate. Some were dismissed right away. Others ignore some issues I find important and yet are going the right direction as far as recognizing the dignity of all human beings. The manner in which they treat one another, manipulate the media, - tells me a lot. At this point - none has clean hands on life issues, all are becoming less specific - the closer the nominations come to fruition. There are three fine human beings left. I have major disagreements with all three, but will continue to do my homework. At this point - Obama has the least baggage and the most possibility. He will respect the Constitution and that is at the top of my list right now. He's promising too much in speeches, but calling for personal responsibility. His written work reveals a complex thinker who can deal with a global community and regain respect that has been lost. McCain is gathering baggage rapidly - has not said anything about the economy that differes from Bush. However, he has often been willing to go against the status quo, against the radical right, and for compassion and reason. He has little written work. His web site has little about his positions as yet. His voting record - well - I disagree with many things he has voted for. Clinton's methods are increasingly reprehensible, but her written work and voting record (especially for children's issues) are often admirable. To allow the media to define what you think is simply irresponsible. Media has a vested interest in conflict, in the unimportant, in maintaining the status quo. A responsible citizen should go beyond that.
Yes, Clinton should just drop out. UNLESS she, and many other people, believe that there is a real, salient difference between Barack and she, and that she'll be a better choice to run the nation, and that his presidency could further damage us as a people. In which case, dropping out would be an act of self-serving cowardice, through which she would fail the nation.
The only people who think Clinton should drop out at this point are people who believe that Obama should win, or that there is no real difference between them. Clearly, that's no everyone.
Thinker, I'm glad to know you've done your homework. When I've done mine, perhaps you'll give me a gold star. :-)
David Kuo has always hated Hillary. Check out his past comments on her, from years back. She could still win, why drop out now? Let the voters, not Mr. Kuo, speak. He is a Republican. They took the popular vote from us(dangling chads and an "altered" result in Florida from Governor Bush who said he would "bring in the vote for W in 2000" and look what has happened. Obama's people said Hillary should drop out if she lost in Texas and Ohio. Well, she WON in Texas and Ohio. Time for Mr. Obama to withdraw. He cannot get the vote to win California, Ohio, Texas, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. Does he deserve "special treatment?" Ohio elects Presidents, they spoke for Hillary.
Obama gives us a pipe dream while getting an insider reduced-price deal on his mansion with a lot of help from an indicted alleged criminal--first chance he has for a handout from the political system--what does he do--tells Resko to help him get a sweet deal on the house by buying the house and lot next door then selling just the house without the extra lot for a nice "deal", and he has only been a Senator for a scant 2 years. Now his campaign person calls Hillary horrible names? Obama is only interested in Obama. Hillary saw the health care problem when Obama was still in High School. Will his wife go back to not being proud of America like she was before he won in teeny tiny Iowa? Some people cannot handle an older woman in power, so they bash her for being older and not a man.
James Curtis -- couldn't agree with you more. I have noticed rather thinly veiled Hillary insults in David's writing and find his bias against her troubling. I also find remarks like Thinker's about Hillary having reprehensible tactics troubling. Thinker usually comes pretty close to the mark, but this ia a generalized disparagement without any specific FACTS. Too much of the political discussion consists of unsupported opinions that seem to be just passing along of gossip. That is especially true of the MSM which seems to only care about reporting what they consider juicy tidbits, and in fact I have heard reporters decline to discuss candidates' statements on the big factual issues because they are boring.
I have been watching more of this campaign than any human should have to and I don't see that any one candidate has the corner on negative or hard-nose campaigning. In fact, it seems pretty tame so far.Words like reprehensible should perhaps be reserved for outrageous conduct like the blatant lies we all remember from the last go-around, swift-boating, smearing of McCain by the Bush campaign in the south, etc.
Looks more like the MSM and the Republicans are really just trying to create a fight where there's only a tiff. Nothing else will help the Republicans at least hold some power next time around and of course the MSM wants us all to keep tuned in for the next installment of today's skirmish.
Speaking as someone who is not a Democrat, I don't really like Hillary Clinton. I didn't like Bill when he was the President, but he seems to have done well for himself as an ex-president. Then again, who cares if an ex-president cheats on his wife or what his position is on Universal Healthcare? He's an ex-president. There are 41 of them.
Ultimately I think that the Democratic Party will have to reject Hillary for her to withdraw. Without that, no one is going to be able to tell her that she can't win the nomination. All party politics aside, its not over until its over for Hillary Clinton.
Umm, with regards to this idea that Obama and Clinton are virtually the same. Yes, the media is saying that. But I remember in 2000 how the media said that Al Gore and George W. Bush were 'virtually the same'. i.e. - Moderates. They implied that it really didn't matter which one won the White House.
They were wrong, as the last painful six years have shown us as our Constitutions and any moral authority we once claimed as a nation has been shredded.
WE DO NOT NEED ANY OF THEM FOR PRESIDENT. THEY ARE NOT THE ONES TO LEAD A COUNTRY WHO NEEDS TO TURN BACK TO GOD. I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR A WOMAN PRESIDENT!!!! IT WOULD BE WORSE THAN A MUSLIM. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO THE DOGS ANYWAY. WE NEED SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO GET US OUT OF THE PIT OF DEGRADATION. JLF MAR. 26
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